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BrentWil

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2. I would suggest the reverse income tax... an idea from Friedman might work
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 09:38 PM
Feb 2012

There are two basic arguments against social welfare/safety net programs. The first is that it creates less economic incentive to work because one starts to lose their benefits once they find employment. Why work a person take a minimum wage job when your economic benefits remain the same? The second is efficiency. We as a nation have multiple agencies directing checks to a lot of different people. In some cases, they aren't really "checks" but means to pay for things with lots of regulation on the individual. For example, the society wants to control what a person can buy with food stamps. The problem is, all that control comes with administration costs. For example, 14 percent of all money that goes towards food stamps goes towards administration costs.

WIth these two arguments in mind, let me suggest a radical solution. It is the reverse income tax. If you make up to 50K a year, the government would simply credit you with 30K a year on your pay check. Once you make over 50K, the government starts to take this money back until your income reaches over 125K. Over that amount, you are taxed on all your income at the same rate. This would be a simple tax on all income and replace all other federal taxes. I imagine that money over 125K would be taxed higher rate then it is taxed today. For retirements, one could simply increase the payout to 50K a year once a person reaches 65 age.

This basic concept would replace all social safety net programs, including welfare, food stamps, unemployment and other non nonmedical programs. The benefits would be twofold. One, it is efficiency. The government isn't trying to control the money or regulate it. It is simply giving it to lower income and middle class Americans. One could eliminate the Social Security administration, for example. I imagine the administration cost could be lowed to 1 or two cents for every tax dollar. The program could be administered simply through the IRS and done so in the same way they take a monthly tax from workers. Second, there is no reason for a person not to take a low paying job and get into the American work force. If someone is living off of the 30K from this program, getting a 20K a year job would simply give them an income of 50K. That would provide a decent livelihood for them.

The other aspect is that this would create a huge middle class that could buy stuff and keep the economy going.

Thoughts?

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A modest suggestion... Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #1
Hear Hear, Sir... The Magistrate Feb 2012 #3
Why would that remedy be preferred? Art_from_Ark Feb 2012 #48
The French Revolution sucked for all involved.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #4
Yes, you're right, and I would never actually advocate a violent revolution. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #21
No, I haven't... BrentWil Feb 2012 #26
Here from Amazon (I'm trying to make everyone be aware of this book) Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #34
THanks.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #50
The poor are going to 'die in the snow' as it is. Zalatix Feb 2012 #38
Don't think you can compare what is going on now to the march on Moscow.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #43
The French Solution Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #8
That is barbaric! Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2012 #12
LOL!!! Zalatix Feb 2012 #44
I would suggest the reverse income tax... an idea from Friedman might work BrentWil Feb 2012 #2
Imagine ProSense Feb 2012 #9
Paul Krugman is a Conservative? BrentWil Feb 2012 #14
? ProSense Feb 2012 #16
Just read the top quote. BrentWil Feb 2012 #19
Hint: ProSense Feb 2012 #20
Sorry Robert Frank.. who isn't conservative BrentWil Feb 2012 #24
Well ProSense Feb 2012 #27
I there anything actually wrong with that argument and how I follow it up? BrentWil Feb 2012 #28
What ProSense Feb 2012 #30
It isn't ending safety nets... BrentWil Feb 2012 #31
Let's ProSense Feb 2012 #32
How is simply giving money to people who need it a scheme? BrentWil Feb 2012 #35
Your ProSense Feb 2012 #37
I personally do NOT have a problem with people becoming rich .... Trajan Feb 2012 #5
I dont either. However, BrentWil Feb 2012 #7
What about Me? freefaller62 Feb 2012 #23
R&R Riot and Revolution gopiscrap Feb 2012 #6
Three simple things would help a great deal bhikkhu Feb 2012 #10
I think a simple tax on all income not matter the source.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #18
The inheritance tax both would and wouldn't increase social mobility. Igel Feb 2012 #29
It is controversial bhikkhu Feb 2012 #39
Thanks! pnorman Feb 2012 #11
Well 90% tax rates for the top nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #13
To what end? What kind of tax? What will the revenue be used for? NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #15
Read on the great depression, your answers are there nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #22
Study: 92 percent prefer Swedish model (of wealth distribution) to US model when given a choice pampango Feb 2012 #17
Well, of course they would. Why wouln't they? oldhippie Feb 2012 #36
Eat the rich for starters. lonestarnot Feb 2012 #25
Does anyone know of any such extreme inequality being remedied without violence? oldhippie Feb 2012 #33
Can you give any examples of violence creating equality? bhikkhu Feb 2012 #40
Some leve of inequality is always present... BrentWil Feb 2012 #42
Violence tends to perpetuate inequality bhikkhu Feb 2012 #47
The new deal nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #41
Giving the working class money to spend.... That will create the jobs so badly needed.. And then midnight Feb 2012 #45
I agree NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #46
Tax the fuck out of the rich. Zoeisright Feb 2012 #49
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