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stevenleser

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Sat Apr 6, 2013, 06:07 PM Apr 2013

Poll: Do you support Amina's goal to prevent anti-women Sharia laws from being adopted in Tunisia? [View all]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-nisman/tensions-with-tunisias-ji_b_2998955.html

Tensions With Tunisia's Jihadists: Who Will Blink First?

The month of March 2013 has witnessed an increase in tensions between local Tunisian Salafist networks, the newly formed government of P.M. Laarayedh, and the country's secular/liberal societal factions.

On March 26, Ansar al-Sharia in Tunisia (AST) issued a warning on social media towards P.M. Laarayedh, after he condemned Tunisia's Salafist minority as responsible for recent violence in an interview with French media that same day. The post featured a threat to topple the government from Abu Iyad al-Tunisi, a prominent jihadist founder of AST suspected of orchestrating the September 11, 2012 riots at the U.S. Embassy in Tunis. Following those riots, Abu Iyad was targeted for arrest at the al-Fatah Mosque in Tunis, but escaped after his supporters confronted security forces.
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Since 2011, Tunisian jihadist groups, including AST, have directed the majority of their domestic efforts toward charity and social programs, in a likely effort to gain the support of conservative and impoverished communities. These efforts include the establishment of community policing patrols in both suburbs of the capital Tunis and outlying towns. Patrolmen often operate in cells of two and four, openly identifying themselves with bright orange vests. These patrols have helped to protect local businesses from criminal activity, while using foreign-donated funds to distribute food and appliances to impoverished families. They have also been accused of enforcing their own strict version of Islamic law, otherwise known as "morality policing."

Such policing efforts include both rhetoric and attacks against perceived heretical establishments and individuals. Furthermore, the head of the local branch of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice recently called for a Tunisian topless feminist protester to be stoned in accordance with Sharia law. Additional attacks against Sufi and religious minority shrines, secularist/liberal political leaders, media offices, and security forces headquarters have been largely attributed to Salafist militants operating in the capital, as well as in outlying areas.


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Yes I support Amina\'s efforts to stop regressive and anti-women Sharia laws from being adopted in Tunisia
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No, I would like Sharia to be adopted in Tunisia because Amina and her supporters showed their boobs
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I support her goal, but I am uncertain that her tactic is the best way to do it. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #1
+1 nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #127
But that's exactly what she's saying -- that the powers-that-be shouldn't be able to tell HER pnwmom Apr 2013 #278
I think she may be effective alive than dead. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #288
Shouldn't there be a third choice for those who support her goals, if not necessarily hlthe2b Apr 2013 #2
I understand your opinion, but I really want to know where people stand given those two choices. stevenleser Apr 2013 #3
that's like republicans saying you supported Saddam if you opposed war JI7 Apr 2013 #5
I don't see it that way. I didnt ask if you supporter her tactics. I asked if you supporter her goal stevenleser Apr 2013 #7
Then why do your graphics emphasize her "tactics"? pscot Apr 2013 #10
I post an article explaining the problem and that is 80% of my OP but all you see is boobs? stevenleser Apr 2013 #13
You hung 'em out there pscot Apr 2013 #15
So boobs are like a red cape for some people and posters are the matadors? No matter what else is stevenleser Apr 2013 #17
If they weren't, you wouldn't have put them pscot Apr 2013 #27
You are projecting. Most people on DU dont lose their heads when confronted by boobs. They can read stevenleser Apr 2013 #33
It's like when republicans bring up beastiality whenever they talk about homosexuality. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #188
There is a slut-shaming quality to the objections against Amina and Femen stevenleser Apr 2013 #254
Boobs was mentioned in one of your poll choices JI7 Apr 2013 #16
No, I posted a lot of other material as well. You just focus on the boobs. stevenleser Apr 2013 #18
yeah, and people have said they support the goals but maybe not the tactics JI7 Apr 2013 #19
i guess i supported War anytime i criticized Code Pink JI7 Apr 2013 #14
you didn't participate in the poll snooper2 Apr 2013 #183
i usually don't participate in polls JI7 Apr 2013 #277
Thanks for adding some badly needed context to the discussion. pnwmom Apr 2013 #279
yeah, i have criticized code pink and some other liberal groups here JI7 Apr 2013 #4
of course there should- as this was exactly what a large portion of DUers have clearly stated. bettyellen Apr 2013 #100
You're saying that 70 DUers have now voted to support "bullshit flamebait" ? stevenleser Apr 2013 #223
From a Tunisian pro democracy activist: sufrommich Apr 2013 #6
"Protesting an exaggerated statement through a provocative action is wrong." stevenleser Apr 2013 #9
TUnisia protests have been similar to what you linked to, that is not what the person was referring JI7 Apr 2013 #12
it's not just the Muslim world, Women here are not taking off their top to oppose all those JI7 Apr 2013 #11
"Some women here", "some women in Europe". The operative word is SOME. idwiyo Apr 2013 #38
i'm referring to facts, MOST have not protested by taking off their clothes and yelling "fuck the JI7 Apr 2013 #39
Do you know how "most" of them think? Who elected you a spokesperson for the "most" idwiyo Apr 2013 #52
yeah, just like the teabagger rallies which had 10 or fewer people attending JI7 Apr 2013 #53
Right. Naked women protesting for equality is equivalent of teabaggers rallies. Because YOU idwiyo Apr 2013 #57
which teabaggers protested naked ? my comment referred to turnout of protestors and amount of JI7 Apr 2013 #64
You brought teabaggers in, not me. BTW, how many supporters did you mange to gather idwiyo Apr 2013 #70
what a strange post JI7 Apr 2013 #72
What's strange is you bringing naked boobies into almost every post. And making a lot of idwiyo Apr 2013 #75
i brought up Code Pink also, why don't you ask why i take issue with Code pink JI7 Apr 2013 #80
FEMEN seems to be highly effective. For example you can't stop taking about them. :) idwiyo Apr 2013 #284
if their goal is to get me to talk about them, which is a pretty pathetic goal JI7 Apr 2013 #285
Doubt you are anywhere on their radar but you sure cant stop talking about them. And nudity. idwiyo Apr 2013 #286
I know most women don't support FEMEN because few women have joined femen's protests, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #186
I support the African women standing up to multinationals, but I polly7 Apr 2013 #322
The heckler's veto? Really? Shut up or the idiots will be mad? DirkGently Apr 2013 #26
Said it before, I will say it again. Amina and Femen's detractors don't listen to themselves. stevenleser Apr 2013 #29
Whoever is provoked by a picture like this ... needs provoking. DirkGently Apr 2013 #36
I agree. That is the point of provoking. To make people think and question authority. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #42
+1. n/t pnwmom Apr 2013 #280
Translation: SFU because I don't like what you did. Oh, and BOOBIES!!! WRONG!!! idwiyo Apr 2013 #32
Presicely. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #98
I am seriously concerned for said people. I wonder if its like an extreme case of phobia? idwiyo Apr 2013 #116
From a GUY named Youssef, you mean..... MADem Apr 2013 #162
Heh.. nice catch. opiate69 Apr 2013 #168
This is what makes me wonder if FEMEN aren't provocateurs whose goal *is* to promote backlash, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #173
Thanks for posting the mansplaining. Why did you think this man had any authority? nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #329
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The answer is up thread. This odd focus on blurred out boobs and ignoring the rest of my OP stevenleser Apr 2013 #20
first response "i support her goal" but questioned the tactic JI7 Apr 2013 #23
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no it's not, women go topless at beaches around the world everyday, i'm not condemning them JI7 Apr 2013 #35
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so it is okay to go topless for entertainment but not to make a political statement? liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #60
how doesn't it make sense ? with political statements there is a goal to get change JI7 Apr 2013 #73
"I would want it" - the it is, right there. My way or no way. Are you pro-choice? idwiyo Apr 2013 #81
since when does being pro choice mean you can't have opinions ? JI7 Apr 2013 #85
Pro-choice means Her Body, Her Choice. PERIOD. Your opinion on what should and shouldn't idwiyo Apr 2013 #93
i would prefer not to see naked guys at a lot of places either, and i criticized Duggars for having JI7 Apr 2013 #95
And? idwiyo Apr 2013 #99
so i like to have opinions JI7 Apr 2013 #103
How is showing your breasts to protest being forced to cover your entire body ineffective? liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #84
they don't just do that they say anti islam statements also JI7 Apr 2013 #88
Have you ever been to a gay rally? Some gays are very overtly sexual and even go naked during gay liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #90
most gays don't get naked and that's not how gay rights have been gained JI7 Apr 2013 #92
I have been to gay rallies and yes there are gays that get naked. I did not say all or even most, liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #102
i never said it was shameful , i never said wearing pink was shameful either JI7 Apr 2013 #105
The reason they are getting naked is because it is the Sharia law that wants to force them liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #113
there is no shariah law in Europe JI7 Apr 2013 #120
The woman who started this is from Tunisia. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #125
there's no sharia law in tunisia, either, and hasn't been for about 60 years. Tunisian women HiPointDem Apr 2013 #201
Amina. Tunisia. Muslim country. Conservatives. Want Sharia law. Amina protests. FEMEN idwiyo Apr 2013 #126
so wouldn't it be more effective to go to Tunisia ? JI7 Apr 2013 #129
Well, if you think it would why don't you do just that? What is it with constant desire to tell idwiyo Apr 2013 #289
ok, send me money for a ticket and place to stay while i'm there JI7 Apr 2013 #291
Please, contact Skinner for permission to start donation thread. I will gladly donate and I am sure idwiyo Apr 2013 #293
she hasn't disappeared. at least not according to her female lawyer, an internationally-known HiPointDem Apr 2013 #205
You can take "her" lawyer's word. I'll wait till I hear from Amina herself. idwiyo Apr 2013 #287
you do that little thing. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #298
So, all that you have is a word of her lawyer. You don't even now if her lawyer actually idwiyo Apr 2013 #301
I think it is more they have issues about showing off their bodies. kwassa Apr 2013 #132
Less effective? A dozen or so threads in DU with hundreds of responses? Worldwide attention? stevenleser Apr 2013 #139
DU threads are not a sign of effective protest, on DU many threads pop up when Palin JI7 Apr 2013 #143
By all means, ignore the fact that I noted there is worldwide attention. Selectively stevenleser Apr 2013 #148
But why worldwide attention? Naked boobies! No other reason. Look at the boobies!!! kwassa Apr 2013 #151
LOL, oh by all means, tell all protesters who might offend or be in your face they need to tone it stevenleser Apr 2013 #160
Having been to several Gay Day parades...... kwassa Apr 2013 #169
They aren't interested in changing the minds of Sharia supporters--their minds will never be changed MADem Apr 2013 #172
How does "Fuck Your Morals" raise anyone's awareness of anything? kwassa Apr 2013 #177
I hear "Fuck your morals" posted against conservative Christianity on this board all liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #179
Show me a link to that assertion. kwassa Apr 2013 #187
then this shouldn't be a problem with you. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #191
It is not about being nude. It has never been about being nude. kwassa Apr 2013 #195
When you are being told you must cover you body then yes nudity is a very good form of protest. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #197
They don't have to cover their bodies in Tunisia. This has been pointed out repeatedly. kwassa Apr 2013 #204
... opiate69 Apr 2013 #212
Is Sharia the current law of Tunisia? No. kwassa Apr 2013 #224
Well.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #233
So the time to object is AFTER the constitution is ratified??!! Really??! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #262
YET. And that YET has been pointed out to you repeatedly. stevenleser Apr 2013 #218
It is a statement of utter contempt for a system of laws that keep women barefoot, pregnant, MADem Apr 2013 #202
the only people making it about boobs are the ones against it. The ones who support it liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #175
You are so wrong. They are simply showing their boobs to get media attention, kwassa Apr 2013 #180
What do you think going to change minds of Sharia supporters? Do tell! idwiyo Apr 2013 #295
I disagree. I think it is very effective and I think the people objecting are the ones with the liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #176
Femen is a freak sideshow. kwassa Apr 2013 #182
so what? Young people enjoy their sexuality. I did when I was young. My daughter is young and she liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #192
What does enjoying sexuality have to do with protesting Vladmir Putin? kwassa Apr 2013 #198
You were the one who said they were young and cut and like to show off their bodies. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #217
No, they are specifically protesting against Vladmir Putin. kwassa Apr 2013 #219
I have better things to do. It's date night with my husband. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #229
I knew you couldn't rebut. kwassa Apr 2013 #230
Ahh, finally! You have a problem with FEMEN because "they are virtually all young and cute, idwiyo Apr 2013 #296
You just can't stop talking about their bodies. It's that nekkidness thing again, isn't it? idwiyo Apr 2013 #292
You are the one obsessed with nakedness. kwassa Apr 2013 #330
looks like its VERY effective. You can@t stop talking about it. :) idwiyo Apr 2013 #331
Amina is tunisian. Tunisian women don't have to cover their entire bodies. They don't have to HiPointDem Apr 2013 #196
Yet. Being the key word, and all.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #208
Yes, there's a movement underway. It's funded by US allies. Maybe protesting *them* would HiPointDem Apr 2013 #209
Easy for you and I to say, sitting here in the U.S.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #214
easy for FEMEN, who's not in tunisia. and the 'revolution' was supposedly for democracy, n'est pas? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #235
So democracy is fine, even if it results in (admittedly worst case theoreticizing) another Taliban? opiate69 Apr 2013 #240
lol. it's clear from these threads that awareness has not been raised much, since most of the HiPointDem Apr 2013 #244
Can't say as I saw that thread... but I knew Tunisia wasn't a Sharia nation.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #253
You actually believe Amina's protest was fake and was designed to help the fundies? idwiyo Apr 2013 #258
There have been a slew of theads about the Islamist influence in the Arab Spring riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #264
you don't know that it's *nothing* like that today. in fact tunisian women have not been silenced, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #272
I support ALL Tunisia feminist protest actions! You clearly do not. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #275
lol. You haven't *heard* anything about these protest actions, it's all boobies here at DU. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #276
Wow! Brave women! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #308
Wow! Brave women! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #310
true, you educated her most ardent supporters at DU . Boy did they not appreciate that! bettyellen Apr 2013 #267
Women didn't have to cover their entire bodies or heads in Iran in 1978.They did in 1979, though. nt MADem Apr 2013 #211
yes, they did. and as they chose the ayatollah for their leader, that was what they chose. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #239
I beg to differ--I left Iran in 1979. Very few wore chadors or even hijab in the larger cities. MADem Apr 2013 #265
I was actually dating an iranian student involved in the protests during the revolution, so i'm not HiPointDem Apr 2013 #269
I left AFTER Khomeini arrived home. I saw the Shah leave with his little cask of dirt MADem Apr 2013 #273
so what? the fact is that khomeni was initially very popular & a symbol of the rev. i don't know HiPointDem Apr 2013 #299
He was popular for about ten minutes--he very quickly consolidated power and started murdering MADem Apr 2013 #302
it may be that it was only 10 minutes -- *after* he assumed power. but during the revolutionary HiPointDem Apr 2013 #303
Shah was ill. Things were happening well before he left. MADem Apr 2013 #306
Translation: Nakkid is OK when, and where "I" say it OK. Otherwise it's WRONG. idwiyo Apr 2013 #77
No. Despite the endless repetition of this idea in these hundreds of posts ..... kwassa Apr 2013 #137
You keep talking about Boobies. And Nudity. Again, and again, and again. Their tactics work idwiyo Apr 2013 #147
Oh, please. That image of that woman is so manipulative. kwassa Apr 2013 #156
Oh my... You cant stand it that she did get her message across. It pisses you off. idwiyo Apr 2013 #199
But if her message is a lie, what value does it have? None. And you don't care. kwassa Apr 2013 #216
LOL. "Her message is confused" "Her message is a lie" "She isn't Tunisian enough" "She should tone stevenleser Apr 2013 #220
All those reasons stick. Every last one of them. kwassa Apr 2013 #226
Only in your mind, dearie. opiate69 Apr 2013 #237
I still await a logical rebuttal of any of them from you. kwassa Apr 2013 #246
. stevenleser Apr 2013 #238
When you have a response with content, please post it. kwassa Apr 2013 #248
Regardless of what I do or say, you will make up a new charge against Amina and Femen. stevenleser Apr 2013 #250
You just don't have an argument. Not my problem. kwassa Apr 2013 #256
Actually it's you who is talking about collusion with photographer, about image been false, about idwiyo Apr 2013 #251
You think there is a valid purpose for a faked photo. This is dishonest. kwassa Apr 2013 #261
No, YOU think it's a faked photo. And I already told you it's irrelevant what you think. idwiyo Apr 2013 #268
Mission Accomplished! polly7 Apr 2013 #321
You would think feminists would use the oprtunity to get their message across while media is paying idwiyo Apr 2013 #323
I am seriously thinking it is some kind of obsession with nakedness. Otherwise, why concentrate on idwiyo Apr 2013 #48
It IS scary. We have feminists unable to express support for this woman because she showed her stevenleser Apr 2013 #56
No, they expressed support for the issue, just not her tactic. kwassa Apr 2013 #236
Jury went 2-4 to leave this post LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #46
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exactly. Women are suppose to have the freedom to do what they want with their bodies. I don't like liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #51
Well, Femen is anti-porn and anti-prostitution, so they don't agree with you. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #58
They don't agree with you, that's for sure. They also don't agree with forcing women to do what idwiyo Apr 2013 #61
Interesting point, but you are also slightly wrong. stevenleser Apr 2013 #62
+1 idwiyo Apr 2013 #66
protesting Sex Work is how they started JI7 Apr 2013 #68
Repeating the same BS over and over agin is not going no make it so. Really, do go and check idwiyo Apr 2013 #71
really ? opposing sex work is not about the sex workers ? JI7 Apr 2013 #78
Feigning this level of ignorance does not do you credit. Really. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #82
Am sorry to tell you, but no. Not if one is pro-choice. There is a difference, really. idwiyo Apr 2013 #83
so why do they oppose sex work ? JI7 Apr 2013 #91
Again, they don't. Go read what is written on their bodies. Try to read the native language too. idwiyo Apr 2013 #96
so why are they opposed to prostitution ? JI7 Apr 2013 #109
Go back and read some more. You are not going to believe anything I say anyway. Go, read, think. idwiyo Apr 2013 #118
why not tell me and post links , or at least explain it JI7 Apr 2013 #123
It troubles you, not me. Start with looking at the pictures. Find ones with Cyrillic on them. idwiyo Apr 2013 #134
That person knows full well what you are saying. They are feigning ignorance and playing games stevenleser Apr 2013 #115
i haven't done anything to support Code Pink either , does that mean i supported the war in IRaq JI7 Apr 2013 #121
I know :) I am just trying to be an optimist and give them a chance to evolve. Anything possible. idwiyo Apr 2013 #122
so Femen does not oppose prostitution ? JI7 Apr 2013 #124
Keep reading, you are not there yet. :) idwiyo Apr 2013 #128
i didn't find anything , why don't you give a link, you seem to love posting accusations JI7 Apr 2013 #130
Opposition to turning Ukraine into international bordello does not equal opposition to sex workers. idwiyo Apr 2013 #141
no, still don't see what you are trying to say JI7 Apr 2013 #178
seems like it's a NIMBY issue- they don;t want too much sex work in their back yard... bettyellen Apr 2013 #260
Keep reading. I am not here to do your work for you. idwiyo Apr 2013 #297
Other: we interfere in other countries' business far too much. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #21
Tunisia is Amina's country. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #25
Well of course. And screw the "tone" attack on "how she said it "(nt). DirkGently Apr 2013 #22
Amen! Fuck the tone-trolling! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #149
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Holy shit! Uncle Leo! opiate69 Apr 2013 #31
lol Go Vols Apr 2013 #43
who here said he is defending women and opposing patriachy ? JI7 Apr 2013 #45
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is that guy a patriarchy battler ? JI7 Apr 2013 #112
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I sincerely hope that guy got his ass kicked, because he severely needs a beating. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #150
No shit. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #152
I support the feminist movement. Rex Apr 2013 #30
+1000 maddezmom Apr 2013 #34
we're way too prudish when it comes to nudity in this country. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #40
I think all religion is patriarchal boston bean Apr 2013 #41
Lots of women Go Vols Apr 2013 #44
Bogus choices. winter is coming Apr 2013 #50
I think we can see from the emerging poll results how bogus DUers think the choices are. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #54
How many are even bothering to read the second choice? winter is coming Apr 2013 #55
The poll is more than a poll on the specifics. It's a test of what is important to DUers. stevenleser Apr 2013 #59
Nudity's not offensive to me. Piss-poor logic is. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #63
Your actions are drowning out your words here. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #65
ROFL! Go back and read some of the threads, and see if you can find ANY winter is coming Apr 2013 #69
LOL, Do you understand what a proper poll is? stevenleser Apr 2013 #74
Duh. You don't have the means to do that aspect of polling properly. winter is coming Apr 2013 #87
Let's parse what has evolved to be your position stevenleser Apr 2013 #89
I could. And so could the other people in this thread who find your choices bogus. winter is coming Apr 2013 #94
I'm happy with my poll. You can create whatever poll you want to create. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #106
I support feminism and feminists in Tunisia. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #67
the only ones who oppose this are right wing religious fundies, fake feminists, quinnox Apr 2013 #76
Just because you say so? kwassa Apr 2013 #142
some opposing viewpoints are better left ignored snooper2 Apr 2013 #190
especially when you have no counter-argument kwassa Apr 2013 #200
you are correct, I have no counter-argument for people on a random message board snooper2 Apr 2013 #207
which is why you found it so necessary to respond. kwassa Apr 2013 #232
likewise LOL, snooper2 Apr 2013 #243
A-fucking-men. The tone-trolls can suck it! n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #146
and yet you complained when people criticized the Pope/vatican JI7 Apr 2013 #189
This is an absurdly loaded question. TimberValley Apr 2013 #79
See my #59 and my #74 for answers to that. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #86
It's par for the course... Scootaloo Apr 2013 #108
Ahh.. but, does a true feminist take sugar on her porridge?? opiate69 Apr 2013 #111
Except... that Femen and Amina are second wavers. Nice try though. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #117
And that's probably the most ironic thing about this whole issue opiate69 Apr 2013 #119
Interesting. So by our previous discussions on the subject... Scootaloo Apr 2013 #138
Nope. I disagree with them about porn and prostitution as I disagree with all second wavers on stevenleser Apr 2013 #140
Like I said; so long as they have their breasts out, they have your attention Scootaloo Apr 2013 #161
Nope. Just like I have supported 2nd wavers here I disagreed with on many occasions. And I can stevenleser Apr 2013 #163
Well, that runs contrary to my expeirence with you. Scootaloo Apr 2013 #166
Cool kids ? dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #317
As a Feminist, of course I do! Catherina Apr 2013 #97
Maybe a better poll would be... randome Apr 2013 #101
I voted yes. But your second option is frankly stupid beyond words. Scootaloo Apr 2013 #104
You are one of the few who has opposed Femen who has voted 'Yes' stevenleser Apr 2013 #110
I don't "oppose Femen," Steve Scootaloo Apr 2013 #135
Great post. kwassa Apr 2013 #144
The part about it being factually wrong obviously doesn't concern you. Amina is Tunisian. stevenleser Apr 2013 #154
Tyler is one of those traditional Tunisian names, isn't it? kwassa Apr 2013 #158
It very well could be... your inability to think so is dangerously close to bigotry actually.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #164
Make Up A Fact Time! kwassa Apr 2013 #174
I would never steal your claim to fame. opiate69 Apr 2013 #185
You have no idea why this Tunisian woman is named Tyler, do you? kwassa Apr 2013 #193
It's been a few years since I got involved with the religion group wars... opiate69 Apr 2013 #194
You have no facts as to why this woman is named Tyler. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. kwassa Apr 2013 #221
No.. I have no facts to prove your despicable accusation concerning her identity as the lie opiate69 Apr 2013 #225
Thank you for admitting your lack of factual information on this topic. kwassa Apr 2013 #228
Well, according to the article posted upthread, "Tyler" is Amina's NICKNAME. MADem Apr 2013 #311
Read further in the article kwassa Apr 2013 #327
I read that article four times--the first two times, the "nickname" stuff MADem Apr 2013 #328
So you want to change this to whether Amina is 'Tunisian enough' to protest in Tunisia. stevenleser Apr 2013 #215
Amina is copying Femen tactics from the Ukraine, rather than Tunisian protest tactics. kwassa Apr 2013 #245
So, with absence of knowledge, you make up a new charge of cultural jingoism and add a bizarre stevenleser Apr 2013 #247
I know, right?? I mean... opiate69 Apr 2013 #252
The cultural jingoism is obvious, and much discussed here. Tyler's story is not. kwassa Apr 2013 #255
"The cultural jingoism is obvious". No it isn't. You pulled it out of thin air. stevenleser Apr 2013 #257
The cultural jingoism I am referring to has nothing to do with Tyler's name. Its name is Femen. kwassa Apr 2013 #263
Amina is Tunisian and she formed her own branch of Femen and protested the way she wanted to protest stevenleser Apr 2013 #283
Why don't you do the explaining? Do you know for certain that her name is not a pseudonym? MADem Apr 2013 #290
I did the explaining. You don't accept it. Find out something. kwassa Apr 2013 #324
Oh, wise one? opiate69 Apr 2013 #325
According to the article cited in this thread, it's a nickname. So your explanation was wrong. nt MADem Apr 2013 #326
Amina is Tunisian, lives there and she started Femen Tunisia. Your characterization is wrong. stevenleser Apr 2013 #153
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LOL, any attack from you I wear as a badge of honor. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #167
Okay. Scootaloo Apr 2013 #171
I support her goals ... etherealtruth Apr 2013 #131
Anything that supports jihadists will take society backwards. Initech Apr 2013 #133
It seems we have a secular form of fundamentalism here in the US when it comes to nudity. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #184
No matter what people say, it sure as hell *looks* like both "sides" freaking out over nudity. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #136
I support Amina Tyler's goal, and I support her tactics. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #145
Very well said. Comments by some do remind me of objections to gay pride parades stevenleser Apr 2013 #155
Yep. In this protest, pissing people off is the goal. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #159
where did she say her goal is to prevent the adoption of sharia law? and furthermore, if indeed HiPointDem Apr 2013 #165
Where she lives, Sharia law's likely to be forced on her whether she shows her boobs or not. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #203
Tunisia hasn't had sharia law for 60 years. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #206
Then why's she protesting? backscatter712 Apr 2013 #210
The fundamentalist can't get the government to do that... Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #222
The fundies very well might. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #227
Freedom and equality for women are written into the constitution. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #234
Nope. The new constitution hasn't been voted on yet so everything's in limbo riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #259
Good question. I'm not sure how the OP got 'she's protesting sharia law' from the limited HiPointDem Apr 2013 #231
When she contacted Femen and asked how she could join, they told her Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #241
The first messages were in english. only the last (which came later) was in arabic. it suggests HiPointDem Apr 2013 #242
The national religion is Islam. A non-Muslim cannot be President. Government officials must MADem Apr 2013 #249
So what? Under that constitution (1959) Sharia law was abolished, women got the vote, abortion HiPointDem Apr 2013 #266
Nothing in the past means anything to the Tunisia of today! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #270
Precisely--and the Salafists are pushing for MORE Islam, not less, and fewer rights for women. MADem Apr 2013 #274
You don't get it. When it comes down to "rights of women," the reference point is the Qu'ran. MADem Apr 2013 #271
you posted the 1959 constitution, under which tunisian women lived much as western women HiPointDem Apr 2013 #300
The draft constitution hasn't been ratified yet. They are still fighting over it. MADem Apr 2013 #304
Yes: & those fundies are funded by US allies. The US is actually in bed with those fundies in HiPointDem Apr 2013 #305
Gee, you went from "Nothing to see here" to "Blame America." MADem Apr 2013 #307
i don't much care what you think. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #309
I'm sure you don't--I have my facts in order, and that's apparently problematic for you. nt MADem Apr 2013 #312
you have your straw men in order, you mean. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #313
Which straw men would those be? Point them out, and do be very specific. nt MADem Apr 2013 #314
Actuallly..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #170
the lack of certain usernames in the poll says more than anything else LOL snooper2 Apr 2013 #181
For what it is worth, I never vote on these polls but I have expressed my Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #213
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #333
FWIW, Tunisia is a wonderful country w/ wonderful people Nevernose Apr 2013 #281
Everything that I have read seems to suggest that. And I think Amina and others like her are trying stevenleser Apr 2013 #282
The fundies were trying to put that polygamy back IN the new constitution, you know. MADem Apr 2013 #294
Yes, I do. HappyMe Apr 2013 #315
+ 10^10^100 nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #318
kick HappyMe Apr 2013 #316
Kick back atcha! stevenleser Apr 2013 #319
..... HappyMe Apr 2013 #320
Kick. 102 DUers who get it!!!!! stevenleser Apr 2013 #332
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