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Showing Original Post only (View all)Poll: Do you support Amina's goal to prevent anti-women Sharia laws from being adopted in Tunisia? [View all]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-nisman/tensions-with-tunisias-ji_b_2998955.htmlTensions With Tunisia's Jihadists: Who Will Blink First?
The month of March 2013 has witnessed an increase in tensions between local Tunisian Salafist networks, the newly formed government of P.M. Laarayedh, and the country's secular/liberal societal factions.
On March 26, Ansar al-Sharia in Tunisia (AST) issued a warning on social media towards P.M. Laarayedh, after he condemned Tunisia's Salafist minority as responsible for recent violence in an interview with French media that same day. The post featured a threat to topple the government from Abu Iyad al-Tunisi, a prominent jihadist founder of AST suspected of orchestrating the September 11, 2012 riots at the U.S. Embassy in Tunis. Following those riots, Abu Iyad was targeted for arrest at the al-Fatah Mosque in Tunis, but escaped after his supporters confronted security forces.
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Since 2011, Tunisian jihadist groups, including AST, have directed the majority of their domestic efforts toward charity and social programs, in a likely effort to gain the support of conservative and impoverished communities. These efforts include the establishment of community policing patrols in both suburbs of the capital Tunis and outlying towns. Patrolmen often operate in cells of two and four, openly identifying themselves with bright orange vests. These patrols have helped to protect local businesses from criminal activity, while using foreign-donated funds to distribute food and appliances to impoverished families. They have also been accused of enforcing their own strict version of Islamic law, otherwise known as "morality policing."
Such policing efforts include both rhetoric and attacks against perceived heretical establishments and individuals. Furthermore, the head of the local branch of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice recently called for a Tunisian topless feminist protester to be stoned in accordance with Sharia law. Additional attacks against Sufi and religious minority shrines, secularist/liberal political leaders, media offices, and security forces headquarters have been largely attributed to Salafist militants operating in the capital, as well as in outlying areas.
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Yes I support Amina\'s efforts to stop regressive and anti-women Sharia laws from being adopted in Tunisia | |
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No, I would like Sharia to be adopted in Tunisia because Amina and her supporters showed their boobs | |
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Poll: Do you support Amina's goal to prevent anti-women Sharia laws from being adopted in Tunisia? [View all]
stevenleser
Apr 2013
OP
I support her goal, but I am uncertain that her tactic is the best way to do it.
ZombieHorde
Apr 2013
#1
But that's exactly what she's saying -- that the powers-that-be shouldn't be able to tell HER
pnwmom
Apr 2013
#278
Shouldn't there be a third choice for those who support her goals, if not necessarily
hlthe2b
Apr 2013
#2
I understand your opinion, but I really want to know where people stand given those two choices.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#3
I don't see it that way. I didnt ask if you supporter her tactics. I asked if you supporter her goal
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#7
I post an article explaining the problem and that is 80% of my OP but all you see is boobs?
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#13
So boobs are like a red cape for some people and posters are the matadors? No matter what else is
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#17
You are projecting. Most people on DU dont lose their heads when confronted by boobs. They can read
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#33
It's like when republicans bring up beastiality whenever they talk about homosexuality.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#188
of course there should- as this was exactly what a large portion of DUers have clearly stated.
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#100
You're saying that 70 DUers have now voted to support "bullshit flamebait" ?
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#223
"Protesting an exaggerated statement through a provocative action is wrong."
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#9
TUnisia protests have been similar to what you linked to, that is not what the person was referring
JI7
Apr 2013
#12
it's not just the Muslim world, Women here are not taking off their top to oppose all those
JI7
Apr 2013
#11
i'm referring to facts, MOST have not protested by taking off their clothes and yelling "fuck the
JI7
Apr 2013
#39
Do you know how "most" of them think? Who elected you a spokesperson for the "most"
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#52
Right. Naked women protesting for equality is equivalent of teabaggers rallies. Because YOU
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#57
which teabaggers protested naked ? my comment referred to turnout of protestors and amount of
JI7
Apr 2013
#64
You brought teabaggers in, not me. BTW, how many supporters did you mange to gather
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#70
What's strange is you bringing naked boobies into almost every post. And making a lot of
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#75
FEMEN seems to be highly effective. For example you can't stop taking about them. :)
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#284
Doubt you are anywhere on their radar but you sure cant stop talking about them. And nudity.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#286
I know most women don't support FEMEN because few women have joined femen's protests,
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#186
Said it before, I will say it again. Amina and Femen's detractors don't listen to themselves.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#29
I agree. That is the point of provoking. To make people think and question authority.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#42
I am seriously concerned for said people. I wonder if its like an extreme case of phobia?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#116
This is what makes me wonder if FEMEN aren't provocateurs whose goal *is* to promote backlash,
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#173
Thanks for posting the mansplaining. Why did you think this man had any authority? nt
msanthrope
Apr 2013
#329
The answer is up thread. This odd focus on blurred out boobs and ignoring the rest of my OP
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#20
no it's not, women go topless at beaches around the world everyday, i'm not condemning them
JI7
Apr 2013
#35
so it is okay to go topless for entertainment but not to make a political statement?
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#60
how doesn't it make sense ? with political statements there is a goal to get change
JI7
Apr 2013
#73
"I would want it" - the it is, right there. My way or no way. Are you pro-choice?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#81
Pro-choice means Her Body, Her Choice. PERIOD. Your opinion on what should and shouldn't
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#93
i would prefer not to see naked guys at a lot of places either, and i criticized Duggars for having
JI7
Apr 2013
#95
How is showing your breasts to protest being forced to cover your entire body ineffective?
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#84
Have you ever been to a gay rally? Some gays are very overtly sexual and even go naked during gay
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#90
I have been to gay rallies and yes there are gays that get naked. I did not say all or even most,
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#102
The reason they are getting naked is because it is the Sharia law that wants to force them
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#113
there's no sharia law in tunisia, either, and hasn't been for about 60 years. Tunisian women
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#201
Amina. Tunisia. Muslim country. Conservatives. Want Sharia law. Amina protests. FEMEN
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#126
Well, if you think it would why don't you do just that? What is it with constant desire to tell
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#289
Please, contact Skinner for permission to start donation thread. I will gladly donate and I am sure
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#293
she hasn't disappeared. at least not according to her female lawyer, an internationally-known
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#205
So, all that you have is a word of her lawyer. You don't even now if her lawyer actually
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#301
Less effective? A dozen or so threads in DU with hundreds of responses? Worldwide attention?
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#139
DU threads are not a sign of effective protest, on DU many threads pop up when Palin
JI7
Apr 2013
#143
By all means, ignore the fact that I noted there is worldwide attention. Selectively
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#148
But why worldwide attention? Naked boobies! No other reason. Look at the boobies!!!
kwassa
Apr 2013
#151
LOL, oh by all means, tell all protesters who might offend or be in your face they need to tone it
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#160
They aren't interested in changing the minds of Sharia supporters--their minds will never be changed
MADem
Apr 2013
#172
I hear "Fuck your morals" posted against conservative Christianity on this board all
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#179
When you are being told you must cover you body then yes nudity is a very good form of protest.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#197
They don't have to cover their bodies in Tunisia. This has been pointed out repeatedly.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#204
So the time to object is AFTER the constitution is ratified??!! Really??!
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#262
It is a statement of utter contempt for a system of laws that keep women barefoot, pregnant,
MADem
Apr 2013
#202
the only people making it about boobs are the ones against it. The ones who support it
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#175
I disagree. I think it is very effective and I think the people objecting are the ones with the
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#176
so what? Young people enjoy their sexuality. I did when I was young. My daughter is young and she
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#192
You were the one who said they were young and cut and like to show off their bodies.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#217
Ahh, finally! You have a problem with FEMEN because "they are virtually all young and cute,
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#296
You just can't stop talking about their bodies. It's that nekkidness thing again, isn't it?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#292
Amina is tunisian. Tunisian women don't have to cover their entire bodies. They don't have to
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#196
Yes, there's a movement underway. It's funded by US allies. Maybe protesting *them* would
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#209
easy for FEMEN, who's not in tunisia. and the 'revolution' was supposedly for democracy, n'est pas?
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#235
So democracy is fine, even if it results in (admittedly worst case theoreticizing) another Taliban?
opiate69
Apr 2013
#240
lol. it's clear from these threads that awareness has not been raised much, since most of the
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#244
Can't say as I saw that thread... but I knew Tunisia wasn't a Sharia nation..
opiate69
Apr 2013
#253
You actually believe Amina's protest was fake and was designed to help the fundies?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#258
There have been a slew of theads about the Islamist influence in the Arab Spring
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#264
you don't know that it's *nothing* like that today. in fact tunisian women have not been silenced,
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#272
lol. You haven't *heard* anything about these protest actions, it's all boobies here at DU.
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#276
true, you educated her most ardent supporters at DU . Boy did they not appreciate that!
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#267
Women didn't have to cover their entire bodies or heads in Iran in 1978.They did in 1979, though. nt
MADem
Apr 2013
#211
yes, they did. and as they chose the ayatollah for their leader, that was what they chose.
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#239
I beg to differ--I left Iran in 1979. Very few wore chadors or even hijab in the larger cities.
MADem
Apr 2013
#265
I was actually dating an iranian student involved in the protests during the revolution, so i'm not
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#269
I left AFTER Khomeini arrived home. I saw the Shah leave with his little cask of dirt
MADem
Apr 2013
#273
so what? the fact is that khomeni was initially very popular & a symbol of the rev. i don't know
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#299
He was popular for about ten minutes--he very quickly consolidated power and started murdering
MADem
Apr 2013
#302
it may be that it was only 10 minutes -- *after* he assumed power. but during the revolutionary
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#303
No. Despite the endless repetition of this idea in these hundreds of posts .....
kwassa
Apr 2013
#137
You keep talking about Boobies. And Nudity. Again, and again, and again. Their tactics work
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#147
Oh my... You cant stand it that she did get her message across. It pisses you off.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#199
But if her message is a lie, what value does it have? None. And you don't care.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#216
LOL. "Her message is confused" "Her message is a lie" "She isn't Tunisian enough" "She should tone
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#220
Regardless of what I do or say, you will make up a new charge against Amina and Femen.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#250
Actually it's you who is talking about collusion with photographer, about image been false, about
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#251
No, YOU think it's a faked photo. And I already told you it's irrelevant what you think.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#268
You would think feminists would use the oprtunity to get their message across while media is paying
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#323
I am seriously thinking it is some kind of obsession with nakedness. Otherwise, why concentrate on
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#48
It IS scary. We have feminists unable to express support for this woman because she showed her
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#56
exactly. Women are suppose to have the freedom to do what they want with their bodies. I don't like
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#51
Well, Femen is anti-porn and anti-prostitution, so they don't agree with you.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#58
They don't agree with you, that's for sure. They also don't agree with forcing women to do what
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#61
Repeating the same BS over and over agin is not going no make it so. Really, do go and check
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#71
Am sorry to tell you, but no. Not if one is pro-choice. There is a difference, really.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#83
Again, they don't. Go read what is written on their bodies. Try to read the native language too.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#96
Go back and read some more. You are not going to believe anything I say anyway. Go, read, think.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#118
It troubles you, not me. Start with looking at the pictures. Find ones with Cyrillic on them.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#134
That person knows full well what you are saying. They are feigning ignorance and playing games
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#115
i haven't done anything to support Code Pink either , does that mean i supported the war in IRaq
JI7
Apr 2013
#121
I know :) I am just trying to be an optimist and give them a chance to evolve. Anything possible.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#122
i didn't find anything , why don't you give a link, you seem to love posting accusations
JI7
Apr 2013
#130
Opposition to turning Ukraine into international bordello does not equal opposition to sex workers.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#141
seems like it's a NIMBY issue- they don;t want too much sex work in their back yard...
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#260
I sincerely hope that guy got his ass kicked, because he severely needs a beating. n/t
backscatter712
Apr 2013
#150
I think we can see from the emerging poll results how bogus DUers think the choices are. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#54
The poll is more than a poll on the specifics. It's a test of what is important to DUers.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#59
ROFL! Go back and read some of the threads, and see if you can find ANY
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#69
I could. And so could the other people in this thread who find your choices bogus.
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#94
I'm happy with my poll. You can create whatever poll you want to create. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#106
the only ones who oppose this are right wing religious fundies, fake feminists,
quinnox
Apr 2013
#76
you are correct, I have no counter-argument for people on a random message board
snooper2
Apr 2013
#207
Nope. I disagree with them about porn and prostitution as I disagree with all second wavers on
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#140
Like I said; so long as they have their breasts out, they have your attention
Scootaloo
Apr 2013
#161
Nope. Just like I have supported 2nd wavers here I disagreed with on many occasions. And I can
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#163
The part about it being factually wrong obviously doesn't concern you. Amina is Tunisian.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#154
It very well could be... your inability to think so is dangerously close to bigotry actually..
opiate69
Apr 2013
#164
No.. I have no facts to prove your despicable accusation concerning her identity as the lie
opiate69
Apr 2013
#225
So you want to change this to whether Amina is 'Tunisian enough' to protest in Tunisia.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#215
Amina is copying Femen tactics from the Ukraine, rather than Tunisian protest tactics.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#245
So, with absence of knowledge, you make up a new charge of cultural jingoism and add a bizarre
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#247
The cultural jingoism is obvious, and much discussed here. Tyler's story is not.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#255
"The cultural jingoism is obvious". No it isn't. You pulled it out of thin air.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#257
The cultural jingoism I am referring to has nothing to do with Tyler's name. Its name is Femen.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#263
Amina is Tunisian and she formed her own branch of Femen and protested the way she wanted to protest
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#283
Why don't you do the explaining? Do you know for certain that her name is not a pseudonym?
MADem
Apr 2013
#290
According to the article cited in this thread, it's a nickname. So your explanation was wrong. nt
MADem
Apr 2013
#326
Amina is Tunisian, lives there and she started Femen Tunisia. Your characterization is wrong.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#153
It seems we have a secular form of fundamentalism here in the US when it comes to nudity.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#184
No matter what people say, it sure as hell *looks* like both "sides" freaking out over nudity.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2013
#136
Very well said. Comments by some do remind me of objections to gay pride parades
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#155
where did she say her goal is to prevent the adoption of sharia law? and furthermore, if indeed
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#165
Where she lives, Sharia law's likely to be forced on her whether she shows her boobs or not.
backscatter712
Apr 2013
#203
Nope. The new constitution hasn't been voted on yet so everything's in limbo
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#259
Good question. I'm not sure how the OP got 'she's protesting sharia law' from the limited
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#231
The first messages were in english. only the last (which came later) was in arabic. it suggests
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#242
The national religion is Islam. A non-Muslim cannot be President. Government officials must
MADem
Apr 2013
#249
So what? Under that constitution (1959) Sharia law was abolished, women got the vote, abortion
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#266
Precisely--and the Salafists are pushing for MORE Islam, not less, and fewer rights for women.
MADem
Apr 2013
#274
You don't get it. When it comes down to "rights of women," the reference point is the Qu'ran.
MADem
Apr 2013
#271
you posted the 1959 constitution, under which tunisian women lived much as western women
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#300
The draft constitution hasn't been ratified yet. They are still fighting over it.
MADem
Apr 2013
#304
Yes: & those fundies are funded by US allies. The US is actually in bed with those fundies in
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#305
I'm sure you don't--I have my facts in order, and that's apparently problematic for you. nt
MADem
Apr 2013
#312
For what it is worth, I never vote on these polls but I have expressed my
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#213
Everything that I have read seems to suggest that. And I think Amina and others like her are trying
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#282