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In reply to the discussion: Poll: Do you support Amina's goal to prevent anti-women Sharia laws from being adopted in Tunisia? [View all]HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)209. Yes, there's a movement underway. It's funded by US allies. Maybe protesting *them* would
be more effective.
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Poll: Do you support Amina's goal to prevent anti-women Sharia laws from being adopted in Tunisia? [View all]
stevenleser
Apr 2013
OP
I support her goal, but I am uncertain that her tactic is the best way to do it.
ZombieHorde
Apr 2013
#1
But that's exactly what she's saying -- that the powers-that-be shouldn't be able to tell HER
pnwmom
Apr 2013
#278
Shouldn't there be a third choice for those who support her goals, if not necessarily
hlthe2b
Apr 2013
#2
I understand your opinion, but I really want to know where people stand given those two choices.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#3
I don't see it that way. I didnt ask if you supporter her tactics. I asked if you supporter her goal
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#7
I post an article explaining the problem and that is 80% of my OP but all you see is boobs?
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#13
So boobs are like a red cape for some people and posters are the matadors? No matter what else is
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#17
You are projecting. Most people on DU dont lose their heads when confronted by boobs. They can read
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#33
It's like when republicans bring up beastiality whenever they talk about homosexuality.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#188
of course there should- as this was exactly what a large portion of DUers have clearly stated.
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#100
You're saying that 70 DUers have now voted to support "bullshit flamebait" ?
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#223
"Protesting an exaggerated statement through a provocative action is wrong."
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#9
TUnisia protests have been similar to what you linked to, that is not what the person was referring
JI7
Apr 2013
#12
it's not just the Muslim world, Women here are not taking off their top to oppose all those
JI7
Apr 2013
#11
i'm referring to facts, MOST have not protested by taking off their clothes and yelling "fuck the
JI7
Apr 2013
#39
Do you know how "most" of them think? Who elected you a spokesperson for the "most"
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#52
Right. Naked women protesting for equality is equivalent of teabaggers rallies. Because YOU
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#57
which teabaggers protested naked ? my comment referred to turnout of protestors and amount of
JI7
Apr 2013
#64
You brought teabaggers in, not me. BTW, how many supporters did you mange to gather
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#70
What's strange is you bringing naked boobies into almost every post. And making a lot of
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#75
FEMEN seems to be highly effective. For example you can't stop taking about them. :)
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#284
Doubt you are anywhere on their radar but you sure cant stop talking about them. And nudity.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#286
I know most women don't support FEMEN because few women have joined femen's protests,
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#186
Said it before, I will say it again. Amina and Femen's detractors don't listen to themselves.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#29
I agree. That is the point of provoking. To make people think and question authority.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#42
I am seriously concerned for said people. I wonder if its like an extreme case of phobia?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#116
This is what makes me wonder if FEMEN aren't provocateurs whose goal *is* to promote backlash,
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#173
Thanks for posting the mansplaining. Why did you think this man had any authority? nt
msanthrope
Apr 2013
#329
The answer is up thread. This odd focus on blurred out boobs and ignoring the rest of my OP
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#20
no it's not, women go topless at beaches around the world everyday, i'm not condemning them
JI7
Apr 2013
#35
so it is okay to go topless for entertainment but not to make a political statement?
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#60
how doesn't it make sense ? with political statements there is a goal to get change
JI7
Apr 2013
#73
"I would want it" - the it is, right there. My way or no way. Are you pro-choice?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#81
Pro-choice means Her Body, Her Choice. PERIOD. Your opinion on what should and shouldn't
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#93
i would prefer not to see naked guys at a lot of places either, and i criticized Duggars for having
JI7
Apr 2013
#95
How is showing your breasts to protest being forced to cover your entire body ineffective?
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#84
Have you ever been to a gay rally? Some gays are very overtly sexual and even go naked during gay
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#90
I have been to gay rallies and yes there are gays that get naked. I did not say all or even most,
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#102
The reason they are getting naked is because it is the Sharia law that wants to force them
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#113
there's no sharia law in tunisia, either, and hasn't been for about 60 years. Tunisian women
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#201
Amina. Tunisia. Muslim country. Conservatives. Want Sharia law. Amina protests. FEMEN
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#126
Well, if you think it would why don't you do just that? What is it with constant desire to tell
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#289
Please, contact Skinner for permission to start donation thread. I will gladly donate and I am sure
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#293
she hasn't disappeared. at least not according to her female lawyer, an internationally-known
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#205
So, all that you have is a word of her lawyer. You don't even now if her lawyer actually
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#301
Less effective? A dozen or so threads in DU with hundreds of responses? Worldwide attention?
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#139
DU threads are not a sign of effective protest, on DU many threads pop up when Palin
JI7
Apr 2013
#143
By all means, ignore the fact that I noted there is worldwide attention. Selectively
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#148
But why worldwide attention? Naked boobies! No other reason. Look at the boobies!!!
kwassa
Apr 2013
#151
LOL, oh by all means, tell all protesters who might offend or be in your face they need to tone it
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#160
They aren't interested in changing the minds of Sharia supporters--their minds will never be changed
MADem
Apr 2013
#172
I hear "Fuck your morals" posted against conservative Christianity on this board all
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#179
When you are being told you must cover you body then yes nudity is a very good form of protest.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#197
They don't have to cover their bodies in Tunisia. This has been pointed out repeatedly.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#204
So the time to object is AFTER the constitution is ratified??!! Really??!
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#262
It is a statement of utter contempt for a system of laws that keep women barefoot, pregnant,
MADem
Apr 2013
#202
the only people making it about boobs are the ones against it. The ones who support it
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#175
I disagree. I think it is very effective and I think the people objecting are the ones with the
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#176
so what? Young people enjoy their sexuality. I did when I was young. My daughter is young and she
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#192
You were the one who said they were young and cut and like to show off their bodies.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#217
Ahh, finally! You have a problem with FEMEN because "they are virtually all young and cute,
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#296
You just can't stop talking about their bodies. It's that nekkidness thing again, isn't it?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#292
Amina is tunisian. Tunisian women don't have to cover their entire bodies. They don't have to
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#196
Yes, there's a movement underway. It's funded by US allies. Maybe protesting *them* would
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#209
easy for FEMEN, who's not in tunisia. and the 'revolution' was supposedly for democracy, n'est pas?
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#235
So democracy is fine, even if it results in (admittedly worst case theoreticizing) another Taliban?
opiate69
Apr 2013
#240
lol. it's clear from these threads that awareness has not been raised much, since most of the
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#244
Can't say as I saw that thread... but I knew Tunisia wasn't a Sharia nation..
opiate69
Apr 2013
#253
You actually believe Amina's protest was fake and was designed to help the fundies?
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#258
There have been a slew of theads about the Islamist influence in the Arab Spring
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#264
you don't know that it's *nothing* like that today. in fact tunisian women have not been silenced,
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#272
lol. You haven't *heard* anything about these protest actions, it's all boobies here at DU.
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#276
true, you educated her most ardent supporters at DU . Boy did they not appreciate that!
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#267
Women didn't have to cover their entire bodies or heads in Iran in 1978.They did in 1979, though. nt
MADem
Apr 2013
#211
yes, they did. and as they chose the ayatollah for their leader, that was what they chose.
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#239
I beg to differ--I left Iran in 1979. Very few wore chadors or even hijab in the larger cities.
MADem
Apr 2013
#265
I was actually dating an iranian student involved in the protests during the revolution, so i'm not
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#269
I left AFTER Khomeini arrived home. I saw the Shah leave with his little cask of dirt
MADem
Apr 2013
#273
so what? the fact is that khomeni was initially very popular & a symbol of the rev. i don't know
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#299
He was popular for about ten minutes--he very quickly consolidated power and started murdering
MADem
Apr 2013
#302
it may be that it was only 10 minutes -- *after* he assumed power. but during the revolutionary
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#303
No. Despite the endless repetition of this idea in these hundreds of posts .....
kwassa
Apr 2013
#137
You keep talking about Boobies. And Nudity. Again, and again, and again. Their tactics work
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#147
Oh my... You cant stand it that she did get her message across. It pisses you off.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#199
But if her message is a lie, what value does it have? None. And you don't care.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#216
LOL. "Her message is confused" "Her message is a lie" "She isn't Tunisian enough" "She should tone
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#220
Regardless of what I do or say, you will make up a new charge against Amina and Femen.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#250
Actually it's you who is talking about collusion with photographer, about image been false, about
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#251
No, YOU think it's a faked photo. And I already told you it's irrelevant what you think.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#268
You would think feminists would use the oprtunity to get their message across while media is paying
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#323
I am seriously thinking it is some kind of obsession with nakedness. Otherwise, why concentrate on
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#48
It IS scary. We have feminists unable to express support for this woman because she showed her
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#56
exactly. Women are suppose to have the freedom to do what they want with their bodies. I don't like
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#51
Well, Femen is anti-porn and anti-prostitution, so they don't agree with you.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#58
They don't agree with you, that's for sure. They also don't agree with forcing women to do what
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#61
Repeating the same BS over and over agin is not going no make it so. Really, do go and check
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#71
Am sorry to tell you, but no. Not if one is pro-choice. There is a difference, really.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#83
Again, they don't. Go read what is written on their bodies. Try to read the native language too.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#96
Go back and read some more. You are not going to believe anything I say anyway. Go, read, think.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#118
It troubles you, not me. Start with looking at the pictures. Find ones with Cyrillic on them.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#134
That person knows full well what you are saying. They are feigning ignorance and playing games
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#115
i haven't done anything to support Code Pink either , does that mean i supported the war in IRaq
JI7
Apr 2013
#121
I know :) I am just trying to be an optimist and give them a chance to evolve. Anything possible.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#122
i didn't find anything , why don't you give a link, you seem to love posting accusations
JI7
Apr 2013
#130
Opposition to turning Ukraine into international bordello does not equal opposition to sex workers.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#141
seems like it's a NIMBY issue- they don;t want too much sex work in their back yard...
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#260
I sincerely hope that guy got his ass kicked, because he severely needs a beating. n/t
backscatter712
Apr 2013
#150
I think we can see from the emerging poll results how bogus DUers think the choices are. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#54
The poll is more than a poll on the specifics. It's a test of what is important to DUers.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#59
ROFL! Go back and read some of the threads, and see if you can find ANY
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#69
I could. And so could the other people in this thread who find your choices bogus.
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#94
I'm happy with my poll. You can create whatever poll you want to create. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#106
the only ones who oppose this are right wing religious fundies, fake feminists,
quinnox
Apr 2013
#76
you are correct, I have no counter-argument for people on a random message board
snooper2
Apr 2013
#207
Nope. I disagree with them about porn and prostitution as I disagree with all second wavers on
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#140
Like I said; so long as they have their breasts out, they have your attention
Scootaloo
Apr 2013
#161
Nope. Just like I have supported 2nd wavers here I disagreed with on many occasions. And I can
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#163
The part about it being factually wrong obviously doesn't concern you. Amina is Tunisian.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#154
It very well could be... your inability to think so is dangerously close to bigotry actually..
opiate69
Apr 2013
#164
No.. I have no facts to prove your despicable accusation concerning her identity as the lie
opiate69
Apr 2013
#225
So you want to change this to whether Amina is 'Tunisian enough' to protest in Tunisia.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#215
Amina is copying Femen tactics from the Ukraine, rather than Tunisian protest tactics.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#245
So, with absence of knowledge, you make up a new charge of cultural jingoism and add a bizarre
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#247
The cultural jingoism is obvious, and much discussed here. Tyler's story is not.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#255
"The cultural jingoism is obvious". No it isn't. You pulled it out of thin air.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#257
The cultural jingoism I am referring to has nothing to do with Tyler's name. Its name is Femen.
kwassa
Apr 2013
#263
Amina is Tunisian and she formed her own branch of Femen and protested the way she wanted to protest
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#283
Why don't you do the explaining? Do you know for certain that her name is not a pseudonym?
MADem
Apr 2013
#290
According to the article cited in this thread, it's a nickname. So your explanation was wrong. nt
MADem
Apr 2013
#326
Amina is Tunisian, lives there and she started Femen Tunisia. Your characterization is wrong.
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#153
It seems we have a secular form of fundamentalism here in the US when it comes to nudity.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#184
No matter what people say, it sure as hell *looks* like both "sides" freaking out over nudity.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2013
#136
Very well said. Comments by some do remind me of objections to gay pride parades
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#155
where did she say her goal is to prevent the adoption of sharia law? and furthermore, if indeed
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#165
Where she lives, Sharia law's likely to be forced on her whether she shows her boobs or not.
backscatter712
Apr 2013
#203
Nope. The new constitution hasn't been voted on yet so everything's in limbo
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#259
Good question. I'm not sure how the OP got 'she's protesting sharia law' from the limited
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#231
The first messages were in english. only the last (which came later) was in arabic. it suggests
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#242
The national religion is Islam. A non-Muslim cannot be President. Government officials must
MADem
Apr 2013
#249
So what? Under that constitution (1959) Sharia law was abolished, women got the vote, abortion
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#266
Precisely--and the Salafists are pushing for MORE Islam, not less, and fewer rights for women.
MADem
Apr 2013
#274
You don't get it. When it comes down to "rights of women," the reference point is the Qu'ran.
MADem
Apr 2013
#271
you posted the 1959 constitution, under which tunisian women lived much as western women
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#300
The draft constitution hasn't been ratified yet. They are still fighting over it.
MADem
Apr 2013
#304
Yes: & those fundies are funded by US allies. The US is actually in bed with those fundies in
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#305
I'm sure you don't--I have my facts in order, and that's apparently problematic for you. nt
MADem
Apr 2013
#312
For what it is worth, I never vote on these polls but I have expressed my
Luminous Animal
Apr 2013
#213
Everything that I have read seems to suggest that. And I think Amina and others like her are trying
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#282