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Andy823

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146. Yes I do know how to use google

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 07:36 PM

Apr 2013

But for the life of me I can't find anything at all showing me the plan that the president is putting out, from what I hear on Wednesday. I guess there isn't any site with that plan out yet, so I guess I will wait till Wednesday and see exactly what the presidents plan is before I get all ticked off at him!

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To all those who have been telling us for months . . . [View all] markpkessinger Apr 2013 OP

Just think where SS would be today safeinOhio Apr 2013 #1

Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right cantbeserious Apr 2013 #3

Perfect reply Plucketeer Apr 2013 #234

That's the way I look at it. Hoyt Apr 2013 #4

then you're part of the problem. nt tomp Apr 2013 #199

Nope. You are shortsighted, focusing on one little aspect of a much bigger picture. Hoyt Apr 2013 #201

The much bigger picture, is that they've BOTH been doing it to America. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #256

My, but that's setting the bar awfully low . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #6

So I'm supposed to be happy with the "lesser of two weevils?" Sorry if I feel betrayed by a firenewt Apr 2013 #21

I think you intended your reply . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #25

Sorry, your are right. Sucks being old firenewt Apr 2013 #30

Beats the alternative BobbyBoring Apr 2013 #90

"the lesser of two weevils" is the perfect description truebluegreen Apr 2013 #218

Not at all. firenewt Apr 2013 #232

How about "the evil of two lessers"? FairWinds Apr 2013 #236

That's not bad either. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #237

Spot on and Smilo Apr 2013 #114

+1 n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #134

Are you implying that they wouldn't just raise the debt ceiling for Romney? JVS Apr 2013 #7

Excellent point! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #10

actually they would not DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #19

That's absurd. Marr Apr 2013 #116

not when they hate Mitt DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #130

It's absurd to claim that the GOP House would refuse to raise the debt ceiling for Marr Apr 2013 #131

The paradox is that GWB actually had the... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #127

That's some serious nonsense. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #228

Chained CPI is a benefits cut lark Apr 2013 #251

Is he cajoling anyone about it? I don't think so. And he did offer it up during the fiscal Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #268

Did I say he did? JVS Apr 2013 #271

It would be in exactly the same place... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #18

+1 whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #44

+1000. Despite the howling when Obama was elected twice, the GOP knows it can get all of its Nay Apr 2013 #64

It goes both ways Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #74

+1000s (n/t) bread_and_roses Apr 2013 #99

+1 Liberalynn Apr 2013 #151

Only difference is IOKIODI. tblue Apr 2013 #250

With Rmoney donnasgirl Apr 2013 #27

What donnasgirl said curlyred Apr 2013 #142

Except that, Obama was always going to go after what he calls 'entitlement' programs SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #247

We have "entitlement" programs in this country, alright... ReRe Apr 2013 #259

And there you have it... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #34

That's the apologists fallback excuse on everything now Doctor_J Apr 2013 #36

Right. Back in 2004, I said that the Republicans would drive us off a cliff at 60mph Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2013 #52

remember what Obama said about how to change the course of a large ship? Sunlei Apr 2013 #60

What's that? Make three rights to turn left? /nt Marr Apr 2013 #117

no it wasn't that. /nt Sunlei Apr 2013 #118

Well, he sure as shit isn't slowly turning the big ship leftward. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #121

He said he should take his hands off the wheel and let the R's steer? nt delrem Apr 2013 #126

that explains it rather well. robinlynne Apr 2013 #120

Didn't our President say that he and Romney held the same opinions MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #39

Absolutely, and I've been pointing this out periodically ever since. Jackpine Radical Apr 2013 #166

ah, the old 'we suck less' is your knee-jerk defense? KG Apr 2013 #42

That's a very sad and over used rationalization. We deserve so much more. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #62

You mean.. maybe getting cut? quakerboy Apr 2013 #77

Just think where SS would be today demwing Apr 2013 #79

LOL !!! - Perfect !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #129

I'll up that perfect... Oilwellian Apr 2013 #185

Yeah, it'd be safe. Marr Apr 2013 #113

Where it is now. sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #123

But Rmoney is NOT NOT NOT president. pangaia Apr 2013 #147

I don't think that is the point. jerseyjack Apr 2013 #178

Want to buy a bridge? Free Opree house if you pay cash and sign right now. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #255

Agreed - I Have Lost Patience With The Obama Apologists That Inhabit Many Web Forums cantbeserious Apr 2013 #2

the BOGroupies are the worst Skittles Apr 2013 #141

I'm a member of the Barack Obama Group. blue neen Apr 2013 #154

they've banned MANY true progressives Skittles Apr 2013 #157

Well, it seems to me that you're stating your opinions and criticisms quite emphatically. blue neen Apr 2013 #160

you read it wrong Skittles Apr 2013 #161

I don't believe I read it wrong but will take your word for it. blue neen Apr 2013 #163

.... Skittles Apr 2013 #164

.... abelenkpe Apr 2013 #193

By putting party or celebrity dotymed Apr 2013 #222

The poster made a blanket statement about people in the Barack Obama Group. blue neen Apr 2013 #229

No he made a statement about BOGroupies. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #257

You better believe it. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #168

And the people who run Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #179

Links please Andy823 Apr 2013 #5

I think you know how to use Google n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #8

Yes I do know how to use google Andy823 Apr 2013 #146

A post has already provided you with a link markpkessinger Apr 2013 #172

Using Search Engines Is Now Considered A Basic Skill cantbeserious Apr 2013 #11

It's a growth rate cut for SS Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #14

Hook. Line. Sinker. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #26

if you are a disabled worker (worst hit people are these folks) CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #66

Congress would need to exempt the poorest elderly and disabled Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #91

A signifigant number will also see Medicare cuts in the form of increased costs for Medicare. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #169

some people are already paying close to $350.00 a month just for Medicare alone CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #208

Here is the link CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #63

+1000 truebluegreen Apr 2013 #9

They should ask Bernie Sanders . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #12

I wish that guy was my senator, truebluegreen Apr 2013 #15

This guy was once my senator Doctor_J Apr 2013 #41

Wish he was still your senator. I really do. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #248

Apparently Phlem Apr 2013 #135

Apparently they want us to lose in 2014. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #194

Seriously? Phlem Apr 2013 #198

When Democrats cede the last issue.. sendero Apr 2013 #203

I was there last time it happened Phlem Apr 2013 #258

No, I don't truebluegreen Apr 2013 #215

ROFL. They're too busy polishing their talking points. forestpath Apr 2013 #13

We'll be saved: ProSense Apr 2013 #16

Well, we hope at least . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #23

They keep telling him no and he continues to offer up more. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #249

We're counting on Boner to save us from Obama Doctor_J Apr 2013 #37

Crazy huh n/t whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #48

and they offer that one up like it's a good thing... KG Apr 2013 #50

That's the beauty of multidimentional chess jsr Apr 2013 #61

Yup. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #65

Have you said one thing about Obama being wrong on this issue?. ONE?? n-t Logical Apr 2013 #95

I don't remember. Have you checked? n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #106

No need to check actually. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #140

No, I think it's been all the usual Nth dimensional chess/brilliant bluff bullshit. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #122

I know; crazy, right? And they wonder why people don't give a shit about politics. nt Nay Apr 2013 #67

Let's hope Boner never sobers up. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #89

So does that make it ok that Obama put these proposals on the table. Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #56

LOL, so Boehner bails out Obama. Classic. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #94

So. Are you suggesting that Boehner will be the hero here JDPriestly Apr 2013 #98

No, I expect he'll demand a few "concessions". /nt Marr Apr 2013 #119

I will admit DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #17

I remember seeing an interview with Gore Vidal . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #20

For those of us familiar with him, truedelphi Apr 2013 #109

He applied his mind with a bright focus Babel_17 Apr 2013 #183

Gore Vidal woo me with science Apr 2013 #192

At the same time, let's not pretend Hillary Clinton is some economic progressive. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #227

Agreed on that point . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #266

They are busy genuflecting at their Franklin Mint Obama can do no wrong placards. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #22

LOL limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #70

No one ever said he wouldn't propose cuts - jazzimov Apr 2013 #24

Sounds a lot like . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #28

+1 forestpath Apr 2013 #49

Lieberman killed the PO. jazzimov Apr 2013 #82

No . .. markpkessinger Apr 2013 #85

What do you mean "No"? jazzimov Apr 2013 #100

I tend to think Lieberman was a convenient tool TiberiusB Apr 2013 #180

Obama negotiated away the public option behind closed doors. GoneFishin Apr 2013 #252

Hook. Line. Sinker. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #29

Informed. jazzimov Apr 2013 #83

Do yourself a favor donnasgirl Apr 2013 #31

I'm close to reitrement age. jazzimov Apr 2013 #84

Actually this guy said that Doctor_J Apr 2013 #59

Well, this came pretty close: Hissyspit Apr 2013 #75

Now that is some interesting reading. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #128

if it is "going nowhere" CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #78

Exactly . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #92

As I point out below, that site lists 6 other options jazzimov Apr 2013 #101

I used to work for the Federal gov't CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #104

You mean along with the other 6 options/proposals jazzimov Apr 2013 #97

Bull. Fucking. SHIT. Does "Firebagger" ring a bell? Marr Apr 2013 #124

this is nothing new, he's done it before. and like before, nothing will happen. spanone Apr 2013 #32

Nothing new, and it cost us the house last time quakerboy Apr 2013 #96

I'd hope so, anyway. n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #188

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #33

how has chained CPI cut your ss check amount and by how much? Sunlei Apr 2013 #35

I'm 52, and don't receive S/S n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #38

By all means... sendero Apr 2013 #204

What a disengenous question, you Sunlei, do not know the rules of the exemptions. So your question Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #230

I don't think the republicans will ever go for current plan because of the entire attached package. Sunlei Apr 2013 #245

If corporations keep raising the price of consumer goods skyhigh, ss checks could be larger? Sunlei Apr 2013 #40

As I said upthread . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #45

I don't think panic is productive, yell and speak up yes but we have to work with what we have. Sunlei Apr 2013 #55

This isn't "disinformation" markpkessinger Apr 2013 #68

well it is a negotiating tactic, go look at the presidents website. It's not just plain old consumer Sunlei Apr 2013 #72

I guess Bernie Sanders doesn't understand political negotiating either . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #73

That's what he said, the consumer price index is part of any bargain. Sunlei Apr 2013 #107

I would be able to collect in 2040 madville Apr 2013 #191

hopefully you can manage to save a bit untill 2040 and not have to survive only on a ss check. Sunlei Apr 2013 #196

Apologize? They're still saying it. senseandsensibility Apr 2013 #43

True that! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #47

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #46

They've gotten really angry and desperate too Doctor_J Apr 2013 #51

really? missed that one. KG Apr 2013 #54

Read and enjoy Doctor_J Apr 2013 #58

Sweet Jesus Almighty. Let me see if I get this straight. In order to protect the poor, we can't neverforget Apr 2013 #132

When I read posts like that, accusing Bernie Sanders and Alan Grayson Doctor_J Apr 2013 #165

It makes me frustrated to know that people are willing to sell out principles neverforget Apr 2013 #171

I had to break out the hip waders to navigate that bullshit. n/t pa28 Apr 2013 #155

There's a similarity between the writing style OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #177

"...I wonder whether or not they actually give a shit about children." WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #102

last week's talking point was "drones are a white thing to worry about" MisterP Apr 2013 #253

He might just be toying with the Republicans Warpy Apr 2013 #53

It is a cruel ugly game CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #57

What was it bvar posted? "Daddy's gambling with the rent money again."..... socialist_n_TN Apr 2013 #143

It's nutty. I simply cannot see the upside to this for him. It's lose-lose. CTyankee Apr 2013 #211

The Risk Is His To Take, That's How You Use Political Capital Skraxx Apr 2013 #216

I have two suggestions: jonthebru Apr 2013 #69

+ 1. n/t truedelphi Apr 2013 #110

please don't hold yer breath for that apology. nt limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #71

I'm not really n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #81

Like who? I don't recall reading such posts. Link, please? Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #76

Kess is just here to light a flame war...eom Kolesar Apr 2013 #80

I have better things to do with my time than to start flame wars markpkessinger Apr 2013 #87

Then why start them? jazzimov Apr 2013 #103

Oh, I get it . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #264

I looks like a fillibuster by Bernie might be our only hope. ISW Apr 2013 #86

Welcome to DU. n/t truedelphi Apr 2013 #111

Yeah, but what if Hitler won WWII? Iggo Apr 2013 #88

seriously.... mike_c Apr 2013 #93

Maybe you would have like to have seen what Romney and the GOP would have done liberal N proud Apr 2013 #105

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Hissyspit Apr 2013 #112

That's just silly curlyred Apr 2013 #145

That's right ...play good cop bad cop. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #181

So tired of this old BS line. 840high Apr 2013 #187

Not nearly as tired as some of us are of the constant bashing of whoever is in power liberal N proud Apr 2013 #207

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2013 #108

This is what happens when you bring a 3D chess set to a street brawl JHB Apr 2013 #263

Some try to show others how to reach the door..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #272

For all of us of SS age, let's give up the drug coverage we got a few years ago. That'll pay for Hoyt Apr 2013 #115

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid Hoyt. Cleita Apr 2013 #136

The reality of the global situation has sunk in. Hence, my post. Eom Hoyt Apr 2013 #139

but it doesn't make sense. Making the least pay the most and the most pay the least is CTyankee Apr 2013 #150

Those with least have protections. Besides, we all are going to be scraping for a living Hoyt Apr 2013 #156

I worship at the altar of Paul Krugman who has a basic disagreement with you on this. CTyankee Apr 2013 #158

Did they cut our SS when drug coverage was enacted? Hoyt Apr 2013 #167

Krugman has stated that he thinks the repubs just want to get rid of SS and Medicare and CTyankee Apr 2013 #197

Point is, we seniors have had some significant improvement s in recent years. Hoyt Apr 2013 #200

The problem with the drug benefit was that it wasn't paid for, not that it existed. CTyankee Apr 2013 #209

So. do you propose to scrap drug benefit? People howling over possible Hoyt Apr 2013 #210

The drug benefit is obviously a problem as long as we have drug companies ripping off CTyankee Apr 2013 #212

Making drugs competitive, should definitely be a priority. Hoyt Apr 2013 #231

so why aren't we doing for Medicare what we did for the VA? CTyankee Apr 2013 #233

Probably for same reason that some Medicare beneficiaries Hoyt Apr 2013 #235

No. Because CCPI is a form of austerity and it won't work anyway, except to make older CTyankee Apr 2013 #240

"Those with least have protections" holy mind fuck. Rmoney said about the same thing. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #182

Obama says it every time too, yet you are ready to trash him Hoyt Apr 2013 #202

Yea ...it really pisses off the worshippers when you trash their idol. L0oniX Apr 2013 #244

what you are advocating for, in an abbreviated form, is austerity. And that is exactly CTyankee Apr 2013 #162

I have been wrong a few times in my life and have always wilsonbooks Apr 2013 #125

Good point. Your theory makes sense. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #137

Why would Obama need to do that? He will have command of huge amounts of money CTyankee Apr 2013 #153

Please, chervilant Apr 2013 #133

Don't hold your breath. kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #138

Well, I'm very sorry to have been wrong bhikkhu Apr 2013 #144

Consolation? That was predictable. joshcryer Apr 2013 #152

Putting SS on the table was Obama's campaign promise. joshcryer Apr 2013 #148

January 2008 before the inauguration Obama spoke of the deficit ... slipslidingaway Apr 2013 #170

Yes it was. DURHAM D Apr 2013 #175

Remember this - DURHAM D Apr 2013 #176

Link or slink. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #186

Link: joshcryer Apr 2013 #190

Well #$%^ me. MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #224

I didn't say he'd never propose it rucky Apr 2013 #149

I've been saying he's going to do this for months customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #159

To say... uriel1972 Apr 2013 #173

Don't hold your breath waiting for me to apolgize. rury Apr 2013 #174

Explain how this helps TiberiusB Apr 2013 #189

That's a theory.. sendero Apr 2013 #205

Tiberius, just when I begin to think my classical education saidsimplesimon Apr 2013 #261

Where are the apologies Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #184

Obama gets no credit for that. Occulus Apr 2013 #246

No credit for repealing DADT? AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #260

No, he never *intended* to do it AT ALL. Occulus Apr 2013 #265

FFS. That is complete and utter nonsense. AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #267

It was the consensus at the time Occulus Apr 2013 #269

I assure you the majority of the LGBT community AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #270

... Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #273

DADT doesn't take substantial money away from the 1%. It is fluff. GoneFishin Apr 2013 #254

Yawn. Let me know when legislation of this kind hits the President's desk for signature... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #195

I always assume the pom pom brigade is writing from the WH basement. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #206

If Obama REALLY Wants These Cuts To Happen, WHY Is He Demanding Tax Hikes Too? Skraxx Apr 2013 #213

good question. My "guess" is that he anticipated Boehner's reply which was basically CTyankee Apr 2013 #214

There's A Dynamic and Positioning Playing Out That People Are Missing Skraxx Apr 2013 #217

An intriguing hypothesis, Skraxx! CTyankee Apr 2013 #219

It's His Sacrifice To Make However I Think He Sees The Splintering of the GOP to be a Worthy Endgame Skraxx Apr 2013 #220

think this thing out, tho. Does SS preservation trump all the social issues in these red CTyankee Apr 2013 #221

It Doesn't Have To Trump Everything in Red Districts Skraxx Apr 2013 #223

It seems to me that our big problem in taking back the House is because of redistricting. CTyankee Apr 2013 #225

He knows that Our grandparents are getting fucked already... Orsino Apr 2013 #242

So you mean he's going to CAVE and make the deal this time ... right? JoePhilly Apr 2013 #226

It really burns my ass that I have to rely on Republican intransigence to preserve SS. nt eilen Apr 2013 #238

The chained CPI is off the table Larrylarry Apr 2013 #239

A sad K&R PolitFreak Apr 2013 #241

Don't hold your breath -- they are frozen in a state of righteousness stupidicus Apr 2013 #243

As I understood it, the argument was that AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #262

KICK! QC Apr 2013 #274