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ErikJ

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149. RAISE THE CAP!!.... RAISE THE CAP!!.... RAISE THE CAP!!

Reply to SunSeeker (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:32 AM

Apr 2013

$110,000 means the billionaires only pay into the SS fund the first day of the year if that!

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I Love Social Security [View all] sabrina 1 Apr 2013 OP

What is the poverty rate of the rest of the population? dkf Apr 2013 #1

Are you mad bro? Rex Apr 2013 #3

Lol, well sometimes people reveal their true 'sentiments' late at night, or is it early in the sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #6

Ya, but that was sadz. Rex Apr 2013 #8

I know. I would like to know if anti-Social Security people are also anti-Insurance policies in sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #11

You need to read up on the projected expenses and revenues. dkf Apr 2013 #12

Josh Mandel?? You're giving us projections on 'entitlement' programs from a Republican? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #13

Using CBO numbers which politifact confirmed as being from the CBO. dkf Apr 2013 #15

You didn't answer my question. What does SS have to do with the Deficit? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #17

If you believe SS has no impact on the Natl Debt then I expect you think there will be a 25% cut dkf Apr 2013 #18

Seems like the simple solution would be to lift the cap and raise the SS tax. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #22

RAISE THE CAP!!.... RAISE THE CAP!!.... RAISE THE CAP!! ErikJ Apr 2013 #149

The trust fund will not expire. It currently has a surplus of over 2 trillion dollars. Too bad the sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #23

I have no idea where you are getting your numbers from...not from SS trustees apparently. dkf Apr 2013 #27

Still waiting for you to explain how SS contributed to the deficit. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #29

He has nothing, just like from the beginning. Rex Apr 2013 #31

I guess I thought I would get something, after all if you go to all that trouble to make a statement sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #35

Well he never bothered to explain why he gets his news from Rex Apr 2013 #39

It would contribute in the same way the tax holiday contributed to the deficit. dkf Apr 2013 #40

Raise the cap, increase taxes on the entities that can afford it, cut big war funding... Done. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #43

Woah...easy there... Rex Apr 2013 #45

But first they need to admit the problem which they are avoiding like the plague. dkf Apr 2013 #49

Exactly, the first step to recovery newblewtoo Apr 2013 #98

This is the question I've been asking.... dkf Apr 2013 #100

How about we just let all the old people die? What utter garbage you are bringing here. SS pays sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #104

While we wait for GOP to jump on board with that, should we just sit quietly by and do nothing? Hoyt Apr 2013 #82

Why is SS a part of these discussions since it had nothing to do with the deficit and doesn't cost sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #108

Because it does impact the debt through borrowing. Hoyt Apr 2013 #109

Wait, you are blaming the creditor for the borrowing of the debtor? Again, you are not being clear. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #110

Sorry, but money you and I paid in went to pay SS benefits for folks our parents age. Not right, Hoyt Apr 2013 #121

You couldn't be more wrong. There is a two trillion dollar surplus in the trust fund right now sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #126

That surplus is just accounting smoke and mirrors. To pay out using Hoyt Apr 2013 #129

And there's the old right wing lie they've telling for generations. I had hoped we wouldn't resort sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #132

I don't want to be mean, but I don't have a clue what you are trying to say. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #47

Do you realize the payroll tax holiday contributed directly to the debt and the deficit? dkf Apr 2013 #50

Oh Bullshit. SS has two other sources of revenue and has shown a SURPLUS every year sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #51

Learn the difference between debt and annual deficit, and you might understand. Hoyt Apr 2013 #133

Debt, deficit, SS is a separate fund and has nothing to do with either. You need to learn sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #140

Your FUD won't work. Nice try. Rex Apr 2013 #30

social security trustees use pessimistic projections Babel_17 Apr 2013 #85

I forgot to mention another point Babel_17 Apr 2013 #89

Thank you, how refreshing to see that at least some people here actually understand sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #141

Projections show the trust fund expiring in 20 years madville Apr 2013 #53

Those projections chancge every year and are based on the direst of situations. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #54

SSDI and OASI are running deficits madville Apr 2013 #65

Are you aware that this has happened 8 times in the history of SS? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #76

You are assuming jobs come back to the USA madville Apr 2013 #136

I'm not assuming it, I am expecting it. I am working with millions of other Americans to sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #142

What makes you think that the Federal Govt will 'only provide SS'. The Fed Govt DOESN'T sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #4

That was sadz. Rex Apr 2013 #5

enjoy it while you can, certain politicians are proposing to start cutting it nt msongs Apr 2013 #7

I would love a country that didn't waste hundreds of billions on defense quinnox Apr 2013 #10

I remember when pitting programs like Social Security and education against each other was solely suffragette Apr 2013 #24

It's like Paul Ryan is posting on DU. LuvNewcastle Apr 2013 #26

dkf isn't a Republican? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #37

I'm a card carrying volunteering and canvassing Democrat. dkf Apr 2013 #42

How do you feel about raising the cap? grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #44

Maybe back to the 90% level. dkf Apr 2013 #66

Do you feel that way about other Insurance policies? Auto insurance eg? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #81

Personally, I think SS should be "wildly redistributive." Laelth Apr 2013 #84

Like I said... UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #48

Well if you don't consider any of them Democrats then I guess not. dkf Apr 2013 #67

I despise Ralph Nader. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #80

Lol, well, that was a short and sweet slap down of that particular talking point. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #143

Well, those elections shouldn't have been as close as they were. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #156

I never agreed with him running for president. It was not the way to make a point. I always sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #157

The more anti social security people tell me they are Democrats, the more I realize sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #52

see post #61 "It has attached itself to the Democratic Party" very much so Dragonfli Apr 2013 #64

In the Internet, anyone can say they're anything. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #128

LMFAO n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #95

It still is, the difference is moderate Republicans are called third way Democrats sometimes Dragonfli Apr 2013 #61

Exactly. Same as the third way in the UK acted, which ushered the Tories back to power suffragette Apr 2013 #74

Wow, there it is right there. The propaganda we are seeing, right here in this thread! sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #86

3rd way Dems are so far right they make Eisenhower look like a Democrat. L0oniX Apr 2013 #96

Of course, he couldn't anticipate 3rd-Way thinking: "Where else are they going to go?" AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #123

So you fell for that conservative strategy of divide and conquer? daybranch Apr 2013 #25

No I don't have a gun but I do know how to read a chart. dkf Apr 2013 #28

Your chart has a very major flaw. It mentions the Deficit as an expense, (thanks Bush and your sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #32

The chart is projections, which is a nice way of saying speculation. Rex Apr 2013 #36

I know, it is so transparent the way they try to distort these things. I guess if you read sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #144

+1. You make a very good point here. Very brave of you to make it. graham4anything Apr 2013 #38

It isn't a point, it's a Republican fabrication based on a false premise /nt Dragonfli Apr 2013 #62

A very good Republican point, so yeah, very brave to make it on a Democratic forum sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #87

Yes very brave to mimic RW talking points, but he didnt make a point. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #112

I saw 42 today.God, I admire what Jackie Robinson had to go through. Even from his own team. graham4anything Apr 2013 #115

I am guessing you are an ornery sock. Love to know your other rhett o rick Apr 2013 #116

as Popeye said "I yam what I yam". (and I always loved spinach). graham4anything Apr 2013 #117

Don Drysdale. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #137

You are correct. There was no point. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #145

Figures you would come out against this ... Trajan Apr 2013 #101

I checked the numbers. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #106

Nice rant but no substance. What do you recommend? rhett o rick Apr 2013 #111

What have the republicans every done for the working man in history. Even big banks owe FDR their demosincebirth Apr 2013 #154

I love Social Security as well. Apophis Apr 2013 #2

I am so glad that your parents are okay. I will be right there with you in that fight. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #33

K&R silverweb Apr 2013 #9

Every respectable country in the world has a system like Social Security Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #14

Exactly so, Art. suffragette Apr 2013 #78

And hello back at you :) Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #158

Rainy with sunbreaks suffragette Apr 2013 #159

It's been pretty bewildering Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #160

It sounds like you've had a lot to deal with emotionally suffragette Apr 2013 #161

Golden Week is a series of spring holidays that come in succession Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #162

Sounds like a time of renewal and Spring is the natural season for that suffragette Apr 2013 #163

I've seen the trailer Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #164

Great post. LuvNewcastle Apr 2013 #16

I couldn't agree more 'any politician who proposes the destruction of or even a cut to social sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #146

Where's the jobs Boner kitt6 Apr 2013 #19

Thank you for a well thought and well spoken post MrYikes Apr 2013 #20

Regardless of who it is or what political party they claim to belong to. duffyduff Apr 2013 #70

Compassion and dignity suffragette Apr 2013 #21

I think you are not alone, suffragette. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #72

I think we are far from alone suffragette Apr 2013 #77

The fight is going to have to be fierce on our side to protect it. They have become blatant now sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #79

Yes, it has become blatant suffragette Apr 2013 #90

Thank you for posting that G20 speech. I was thinking about it when the proposal was announced sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #107

Great political ad! graham4anything Apr 2013 #34

k&r forestpath Apr 2013 #41

Thank you for this excellent overview. klook Apr 2013 #46

social security and medicare.... madrchsod Apr 2013 #55

Add public education to the mix, too. duffyduff Apr 2013 #71

I think most everyone loves the Social Security program.. DCBob Apr 2013 #56

Baloney. You are repeating lies from the Cato Institute. duffyduff Apr 2013 #69

Salami.. I dont know anything about the Cato inst.. DCBob Apr 2013 #75

Oh Sabrina - this is a magnificent post. myrna minx Apr 2013 #57

Great Post...Thanks for this! KoKo Apr 2013 #58

Excellent post Sabina. 99Forever Apr 2013 #59

K&R - Excellent tribute to the ability of one person to change everything reformist2 Apr 2013 #60

Very well put together! Dragonfli Apr 2013 #63

You're right. It's not just legislation, woo me with science Apr 2013 #68

My paternal grandparents were FDR Democrats Oilwellian Apr 2013 #73

Oilwellian, what a beautiful post, it actually made me cry. Especially the part about your dad sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #91

Thank you, Sabrina Oilwellian Apr 2013 #119

No, thank you for posting in my thread. You and some of the other posters who provided examples of sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #155

I like it on Facebook :) Babel_17 Apr 2013 #83

Thank you! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #148

Beautiful piece. ++++ DirkGently Apr 2013 #88

I wouldn't be here if it weren't for Social Security and the New Deal. Cleita Apr 2013 #92

'I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Social Security and the New Deal' sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #94

No "REAL" Democrat on DU or anywhere else would ever be for cuts of any sort to SS. L0oniX Apr 2013 #93

Bravo, sabrina1 !!! Zorra Apr 2013 #97

Hell must have frozen over zappaman Apr 2013 #99

Lol, well I guess it must have. But you realize you may be ruining my reputation now ... sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #102

Had a nice long talk with a rep in D.C. Rex Apr 2013 #103

Yikes! I was with her all the way until you approved. Now I will have to reevaluate. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #113

Sincerest Apologies. zappaman Apr 2013 #118

It's cool. I agree with her and ............... you. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #120

Lol, you guys are funny! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #150

"Roosevelt insisted that the new program not look like a dole, his aides later explained" Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #105

Thanks for posting. I am going to ask Skinner if he can add a feature so I can rhett o rick Apr 2013 #114

...and change your nickname to rec o rick too? L0oniX Apr 2013 #124

Perfect. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #138

The Woman Behind the New Deal: The Life and Legacy of Frances Perkins Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #122

I have not read that book, but I have read a great deal about Francis Perkins. She is a fascinating sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #152

Rec'd, even though it's on a kittycat board just1voice Apr 2013 #125

Just got a bill for a chest X-ray Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2013 #127

More proof of the success of Democrats like FDR and Francis Perkins. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #153

Thank you Sabrina. JEB Apr 2013 #130

athis issue is exposing the those infiltrating our party. fascisthunter Apr 2013 #131

Thanks for this. hay rick Apr 2013 #134

Sabrina, I thank you for posting this information. I am grateful SS has been there for me. classof56 Apr 2013 #135

I am so thrilled at the people, real people like you who have posted in this thread offering proof sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #151

Right on. sarcasmo Apr 2013 #139

SS is a bedrock DEM PRINCIPLE, lazly cast asunder by Obama in his fetish for "bipartisanship" w/an blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #147