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31. 'find things'?? Like human beings? So the poor are merely 'things' we 'want to spend money on'?

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:51 PM

Apr 2013

Did you know that people die for lack of heat in the US even without these cuts? I know, I know, those old widows probably should have planned ahead and not allowed their husbands to die, or grown old and feeble, or had expectations of any right to life, liberty or any pursuit of happiness. Didn't they know, those are just pretty words never intended to be taken seriously, by serious people.

But sure, we are always going to find 'things' to spend money on. Like bailing with trillions of dollars, Wall St Criminals. Who would argue that saving those crooks from a slight drop in their standard of living was not more important than saving the life of a poor, elderly woman?

One big flaw in your comment, aside from all the obvious ones. We DON'T 'want to spend more on those 'things' you are talking about, obviously. That is why cuts to their heating aid are in the budget. So not to worry. We KNOW our priorities here in this great nation.

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"The President's budget, Among Other Things, Cuts the Home Heating Program by 14%." - Grayson. Why? [View all] grahamhgreen Apr 2013 OP

I'd like to hear the answer to that one too. MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #1

Uh. Maybe it's a fourth dimension thing. Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #2

Because the supply of money isn't infinite? Recursion Apr 2013 #3

US citizens physical needs should come first. Lars39 Apr 2013 #6

Before *anything* else? So no education funding until everyone has a house and food? Recursion Apr 2013 #7

maybe before tax cuts to the top 5% hfojvt Apr 2013 #8

Cut the military budget and fund both. Lars39 Apr 2013 #27

End the useless war on drugs & tax consumers. Amonester Apr 2013 #54

Education is worthless if kids are hungry and cold at home. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #65

We can cut, oh, about a trillion fucking dollars out of the corporo-military budget Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #15

And I'd like to raise the minimum wage to $25/hour. Recursion Apr 2013 #17

Cutting even a tiny, tiny fraction of the military budget should cover heating Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #18

We've cut the military budget significantly over the past year. Recursion Apr 2013 #19

Have we cut it by 14%? If not what is the actual percentage the military budget was reduced? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #26

Roughly 20% as projected Recursion Apr 2013 #29

So 2.5% in this years budget? Great news if not just a meaningless projection Dragonfli Apr 2013 #42

And the funding is back next year in his new Budget. neverforget Apr 2013 #34

Ah, the Republican trick of comparing nominal rather than constant dollars! Recursion Apr 2013 #44

Then since the 14% cut in LIHEAP is represented the same way, it is also a trick. Or Dragonfli Apr 2013 #62

This is Obama's budget. neverforget Apr 2013 #70

The poster is accusing Obama of using a Republican trick? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #74

I guess he is....doesn't make much sense as it's Obama's budget straight from the Pentagon. neverforget Apr 2013 #75

That doesn't look like much of a cut, projections above must be meaningless Dragonfli Apr 2013 #55

The sequester did not cut the military budget aggiesal Apr 2013 #61

The poster above is calling a slower increase in spending a significant cut? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #63

Bullshit. That bloated budget could be slashed and slashed and slashed and still be WAY too much. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #97

But it's doubled in the last ten years. All for BS wars and a security state that is obviously not grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #100

You can't achieve it, if you don't fight for it. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #99

Holy shit Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #21

I wish the world were as simple as you imagine it Recursion Apr 2013 #22

I repeat: Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #23

I have defended it. The fact that you can't process the finitude of resources is not my problem Recursion Apr 2013 #25

The fact that you can't process Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #30

I want to tax the rich more. Obama wants to tax the rich more. Recursion Apr 2013 #32

He is only saying the money is finite cprise Apr 2013 #50

Money is only finite when it comes to the poor. Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #71

DING DING DING ^^^^^^^^ Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #76

OFFS Even Alan (catfood) Simpson thinks it's a bad idea progressoid Apr 2013 #38

So the essence of your argument is... bvar22 Apr 2013 #46

OK, bvar22, write a budget that will pass Recursion Apr 2013 #47

I thought he wrote this budget so it won't pass to save us from CCPI? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #64

Oh bullshit. THIS budget won't pass, and everyone knows it tkmorris Apr 2013 #66

+1 Rex Apr 2013 #60

I wish it were as difficult as you imagine it. Doing NOTHING would mean NO CUTS!!!!!! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #101

I never used to say that word either Oilwellian Apr 2013 #53

"Of course money isn't infinite (well, actually that's arguable)." It sure is - we print it! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #77

Yeah, I know, I know Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #78

'find things'?? Like human beings? So the poor are merely 'things' we 'want to spend money on'? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #31

Heating oil is a thing Recursion Apr 2013 #33

Yes, it's a 'thing' that saves lives. Like water, should we cut water too? What is your point sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #37

There is no argument that can rationalize his claim. Rex Apr 2013 #58

Yes, it is. We print it. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #80

The President is showing how serious he is about cutting the deficit. NCTraveler Apr 2013 #4

What if Obama previously INCREASED the program by more than 14%? Joshua Pistachio Apr 2013 #5

What if marshmallows fell from the sky and we burned them? Heating costs can jump 14% in months, grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #11

What if some of us hfojvt Apr 2013 #12

We've had this discussion already. And you're right. randome Apr 2013 #13

after a period when gas has fallen in price by half Kolesar Apr 2013 #14

We shouldn't be reducing anything but political realities don't mirror our own. randome Apr 2013 #24

What if people didn't die from lack of heat in the US? Wouldn't that be wonderful and we sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #35

He's planning on approving the Keystone XL Pipeline so ... dawg Apr 2013 #9

Perhaps he's got a plan to reduce the cost of home heating oil by 14%. hughee99 Apr 2013 #10

ROPE-A-DOPE ChangeUp106 Apr 2013 #16

He Proposes cuts each year, Congress has been rejecting his cuts and providing more than he asks Dragonfli Apr 2013 #20

The cost of heating oil has been all over the Bohunk68 Apr 2013 #36

Thank you for your comment and for all that you are doing to try to help the poor. I am upstate sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #41

Thank you, Sabrina, Bohunk68 Apr 2013 #43

I haven't been there but do remember the floods and the awful damage that was done. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #45

It's not just the outside media. Bohunk68 Apr 2013 #91

Because poor people don't have LOBBYISTS Marrah_G Apr 2013 #28

^^^^THIS^^^^ Rex Apr 2013 #59

Obama sees the future, you don't. The other graham has explained this... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #39

I can see the future too "it's a place about 70 miles east of here, where it's lighter" Dragonfli Apr 2013 #69

The curtain has been pulled back. Struggling with a nat while the military gorilla runs wild. L0oniX Apr 2013 #40

It makes him look like the sensible adult. bvar22 Apr 2013 #48

Global Warming is starting to pay dividends? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #49

I've adopted Rep Grayson as my pretend Rep(beats Virginia Foxx) and donate what I can byeya Apr 2013 #51

home heating program budget cut proposal hollyrood Apr 2013 #52

Uh, that made perfect sense. Thanks for the 'you people' Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #72

How does one "flagellate" oneself? I tried, but I lack the required flagella for propulsion. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #73

Relax, we have plenty of branches, old papers and garbage cans NickB79 Apr 2013 #56

Nope, ProSense Apr 2013 #57

"there is a case to be made that the funding should have remained at the 2009 -2011 levels." grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #84

Because Mr. Koch wants it that way. Octafish Apr 2013 #67

in obama`s world 14% is just a very small drop in the bucket madrchsod Apr 2013 #68

We've seen this outrage before treestar Apr 2013 #79

That doesn't even make sense. The explanation was that he was operating for the oligarchs! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #82

No, there was an explanation treestar Apr 2013 #85

Less is more! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #89

LIHEAP funding history (graph) Joshua Pistachio Apr 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #83

How about you explain instead how cstanleytech Apr 2013 #86

He's proposing a cut. If he did nothing, it would be better than cutting. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #88

Except we then still come back to the question of cstanleytech Apr 2013 #92

Congress budgets, and the Progressive Caucus budget is the BEST, hands down. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #95

"The majority want the progressive budget" Tell that to congress cstanleytech Apr 2013 #96

The Congress knows this. The Presidents job is to make our representatives represent us. Including grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #98

Could you post the part in the constitution where it says cstanleytech Apr 2013 #103

From the graph above, none of the emergency funds were used last year. randome Apr 2013 #93

Chad needs a beemer datasuspect Apr 2013 #87

He wants to ensure that he cannot be held responsible for anything that is done Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #90

So hedge-fund moguls can buy MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #94

Maybe they're expecting warmer winters marshall Apr 2013 #102