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90-percent

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7. Our withering Constitutional Rights
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:47 AM
Apr 2013

We American's gleefully allowed many of our Constitutional Rights to be diminished or nullified completely after 9/11.

We were happy to do so, to allow our government to protect us from terrorists.

My question is, simply, how many more rights do we have to give away so our government can do it's stated job and "keep us safe"? What other Constitutional rights should have been sacrificed to prevent the Boston Tragedy?

Another question about the magnitude of the Boston Bombing; why is there much less media concern with the Texas explosion that killed at least 14 and rendered up to 60 others "missing"? In terms of magnitude, the Texas disaster perhaps caused 500% more human loss and misery than the Boston tragedy.

Why do Americans find certain types of death perfectly acceptable, but are totally horrified by acts of terrorism?

Terrorism is horrible and unjustified and should be eliminated from the planet, of course, but an American's chance of being a terrorist victim is perhaps the same as being hit by lightning and a meteor simultaneously, in terms of probabilities.

And the root cause of the Texas disaster seems to be lack of enforcement of existing regulations, and industries allowed "to regulate themselves". Should we not, as Americans concerned about the general well being, be completely up in arms and fighting every day for stronger enforcement of regulations as they apply to dangerous industries?

Judging by the recent gun debate, apparently not!

-90% Jimmy

PS - I am being facetious about the loss of rights after 9-11. I deeply resent my government diminishing my rights in the name of "fighting terra-ists". The dilution of our rights has more to do with growing corpora-fascism than it does with protecting us citizens, in my opinion

FBI should bear some accountabilty on this matter... JackN415 Apr 2013 #1
they have an atrocious record, and I don't trust them at all in this regard NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #95
also, Obama needs to get out in front of this and not cover it up NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #96
Add to that: geek tragedy Apr 2013 #2
what was the nature of his domestic violence arrest? onenote Apr 2013 #14
Unclear whether he was convicted, but clearly he was arrested FarCenter Apr 2013 #22
enough to deny citizenship but not enough to result in deportation onenote Apr 2013 #34
Without a conviction, probably not. Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #49
The father said he had to pay $250 on the charge. dkf Apr 2013 #89
Facebook and the wingnut bubble are abuzz with "blame Obama" crap today. Snarkoleptic Apr 2013 #84
And how did the family get into the US when so few Chechens do? starroute Apr 2013 #68
Makes one wonder...doesn't it? roamer65 Apr 2013 #124
The mother of the suspects says the FBI has been monitoring them for 5 years davidn3600 Apr 2013 #3
The mother has a few screws loose, seems like to me. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #5
Several family members have a few screws loose RILib Apr 2013 #10
"lightly hitting".....Tamarlan was a BOXER...havent people who box been charged w/ assault with a Pachamama Apr 2013 #61
Here's uncle Ruslans account. dkf Apr 2013 #91
lol, it only seemed like 2 days. It was less than 24 hours... magical thyme Apr 2013 #69
She does. She was busted in the US last year for shoplifting. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #57
These guys were no extreme Islamist jihadists rocktivity Apr 2013 #33
I don't know why people are dismissing what she said about this. reformist2 Apr 2013 #73
Because the "whacko relative" meme comforts them. Myrina Apr 2013 #76
Maybe a Russian "spy" was following them around, but ecstatic Apr 2013 #79
That came from an inquiry from Russia saying they had info he was connected to radical groups. dkf Apr 2013 #90
where did you get that info? What I read was they found he posted radical video clips on his Russian KittyWampus Apr 2013 #98
i assume there is more to this than meets the eye. tomp Apr 2013 #4
"And just like for 9/11, there were warnings." Where did you hear that? emulatorloo Apr 2013 #6
There are reports that the FBI interviewed Tamerlan in 2011 davidn3600 Apr 2013 #8
Report is that the interviewed him on request of foreign entity and found emulatorloo Apr 2013 #37
2011 is not so long ago. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #50
seriously? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #97
Of course there were warnings before 9/11. My question was re warnings emulatorloo Apr 2013 #101
"look how easy it was to shut down a major u.s. city..." cheapdate Apr 2013 #31
Nothing wrong with your thinking. texanwitch Apr 2013 #108
Our withering Constitutional Rights 90-percent Apr 2013 #7
Kick &R n/t Dalai_1 Apr 2013 #12
+1 leveymg Apr 2013 #20
I think I recall correctly that the USA refused to honor a legal request to send the Union Carbide byeya Apr 2013 #29
True. If they had been given asylum already, should the government they fled... bhikkhu Apr 2013 #30
To be fair to the aforementioned Americans concerned about the general well being 90-percent Apr 2013 #62
lack of proportion RILib Apr 2013 #83
I interpreted his post as referring to the guy being watched 24/7 by the FBI octothorpe Apr 2013 #85
for posts 83 and 85 90-percent Apr 2013 #86
Damned if you do, damned if you don't thesquanderer Apr 2013 #9
Thank you. nt WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #52
Not really. You can put him on the data base with algorithm monitoring him... JackN415 Apr 2013 #59
+1 darkangel218 Apr 2013 #67
What do you think WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #126
Many existing LE software... JackN415 Apr 2013 #127
What your bullets 1 and 2 point out WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #128
Totally disagree with you and I'll leave at it. You watched too much movies. JackN415 Apr 2013 #129
I don't care if you reply WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #130
I don't like the idea AT ALL, CIA/ FBI? can grab ahold of visaed persons and start Sunlei Apr 2013 #11
Thank you, no. TomClash Apr 2013 #13
It's some sort of rivalry grudge that the FBI, CIA and other federal policing organizations have.... Crowman1979 Apr 2013 #15
Just wait for what happens at the Olympics in 2016 with Giuliani's firm "protecting" Rio. valerief Apr 2013 #16
Beginning to look like yet another case of blowback. Why am I not surprised? leveymg Apr 2013 #17
Over the last 3 yrs the FBI has interviewed tens of thousands of people. baldguy Apr 2013 #18
Yes, I think that's right. But when bad things happen HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #28
great points bluemarkers Apr 2013 #41
Most Iranians in the US oppose the current Iranian government FarCenter Apr 2013 #46
agreed bluemarkers Apr 2013 #54
stupid RILib Apr 2013 #87
For the sake of accuracy, the FBI was asked to look into one of the suspects. They found nothing.... marble falls Apr 2013 #19
What about the youtube account? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #25
Jeez. Free speech needs to be monitored. How many trillion youtube accounts are there, anyway? marble falls Apr 2013 #27
They have software to find the radical extremist talk. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #32
How do you feel about having your life monitored by software? I have a lot of sympathy for the ... marble falls Apr 2013 #36
Oh please!! they had a lead on him already from the Russian gov. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #40
yes, because the Russians are such freedom loving people RILib Apr 2013 #88
I bet that was the attitude with which FBI investigated the guy. LisaL Apr 2013 #104
Do you have any indication it wasn't used? WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #132
Timeline question: when did he start posting on YouTube onenote Apr 2013 #42
Do you realize how many idiots there are on youtube? Jennicut Apr 2013 #48
Like i.said before, they had already a lead on him. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #51
You have no idea marions ghost Apr 2013 #102
the youtube account is only 7 months old. get your facts straight. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #58
Yah, and how long ago is 2011?? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #60
do they check up on you once in a while? MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #63
Why should they? Am i accused of terrorism by a foreign entity? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #65
I don't think we know that treestar Apr 2013 #115
They actually did. there was an OP with the details of what the Russians said. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #117
Then why did they not follow up more? treestar Apr 2013 #119
I dont think they had concrete evidence, they just suspected him. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #120
Here is what they had treestar Apr 2013 #121
Why didn't Business Insider demand that the FBI monitor the suspect before this tragedy? wtmusic Apr 2013 #21
And, may I add...? GoCubsGo Apr 2013 #111
FBI need to get their shit together already. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #23
They checked him out but found nothing wrong treestar Apr 2013 #24
Yah, just like they dismissed Uncle Ted's threats. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #38
Nothing is perfect treestar Apr 2013 #39
A cordial reply. NYC_SKP May 2013 #133
They're afraid of pissing off Hate Radio and Fox "News" Doctor_J Apr 2013 #26
Right, because we know how protective Hate Radio is of Muslims emulatorloo Apr 2013 #45
Yup, they should have ProSense Apr 2013 #35
How about him spending 6 months overseas? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #44
+1 treestar Apr 2013 #118
NO, THEY DON'T ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2013 #43
This. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #47
FBI didnt even monitor him for a year. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #53
But he unlike Kennedy wasn't put on a list. The person that notified Russian authorities was snagglepuss Apr 2013 #100
bullshit-- considering how much the FBI monitors mosques and terrorist losers NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #109
Right wingers rejoice abelenkpe Apr 2013 #55
A lot of DU'ers appear to have a Glenn Beck/Alex Jones mindset. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #66
Did Glenn Beck Really say that? treestar Apr 2013 #114
Their mother was arrested for shoplifting last year as well B2G Apr 2013 #56
Nobody or anything will bring life back to the 3 young inocent people who were killed. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #64
Four innocent people killed, including the Transit Officer. randome Apr 2013 #99
There seems to be something missing Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2013 #70
They may have seen homegrown as right wing only. Zax2me Apr 2013 #71
Except that report was shouted down CJCRANE Apr 2013 #77
Too bad they didn't belong to Occupy Wall St, they would have been arrested and detained sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #72
Not surprised. The FBI has really dropped the ball with the violent ant-choicers. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #74
My guess is that the FBI was *still* monitoring him, but they just didn't have anything on him yet. reformist2 Apr 2013 #75
No, FBI decided he was no threat after investigating him in 2011, and stopped monitoring him. LisaL Apr 2013 #107
Imagine if an abusive ex-husband called the police regarding alleged activities of his ex-wife... ecstatic Apr 2013 #78
Thats a good point. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #125
The FBI has thousands of people they monitor for possible radicalization. I don't find it hard to Pisces Apr 2013 #80
I thought it was quick too (helped by the bombers mistakes)-- marions ghost Apr 2013 #103
unless there was a deeper agenda here NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #110
Were drugs the source of their money? FarCenter Apr 2013 #81
i wondered about the drugs (& cars) angles too. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #92
We need to expand the FBI, NSA, HSA, INR and the OPP !!11!! progressoid Apr 2013 #82
Cause they were white...pure and simple. BluegrassDem Apr 2013 #93
20/20 hindsight bullshit. wtmusic Apr 2013 #94
Immigration should answer for their role also. former9thward Apr 2013 #105
My understanding is that the FBI investigated, applegrove Apr 2013 #106
The Business Insider needs to explain why... GoCubsGo Apr 2013 #112
k&r avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #113
They were too busy monitoring Occupy, the most serious threat to the 1%. Zorra Apr 2013 #116
Can't argue with you on this point roamer65 Apr 2013 #123
yes, surprised the FBI missed so many 'flags' on someone already in their system. Sunlei Apr 2013 #122
Older brother's raged rant at his Muslim temple and avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #131
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