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In reply to the discussion: My how things have changed. [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)97. Oh, the propaganda brigade will not like this thread.
Last edited Sun Apr 21, 2013, 04:29 PM - Edit history (1)
Any thread that is this explicit about the ongoing, relentless trashing of our civil rights and protections even under Democrats will always elicit relentless denial and cheerleading for the actions taken, no matter how outrageous and fundamentally undemocratic they are.
The authoritarians are not even pretending anymore. Our party is hijacked. Our democracy is hijacked.
We are in deep, deep serious shit, and we will be fed all kinds of garbage on message boards like this, to reassure us that everything's just fine.
We don't have a Constitution anymore. They own us.
Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again, including major appointments like: a serial defender of corrupt bankers for the SEC; the architect of "Kill Lists" and supporter of torture, drone wars, and telecom immunity for the CIA; and a Monsanto VP who has lied and been involved in extremely disturbing claims regarding food safety for the FDA. An Attorney General who has not prosecuted a single large bank but wages war against medical marijuana users and *for* strip searches and warrantless surveillance of Americans. And let's not forget Tim Geithner.
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal by Obama's DOJ to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
signing NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public advocacy for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Supporting and signing Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legislation to legalize massive surveillance of Americans
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Failing to veto a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans
Bush tax cuts extended for billionaires, them much of it made permanent
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with No mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Advocacy of multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools
New policies of targeting children and first responders in drone campaigns,
New policies of awarding medals for remote drone attacks,
Appointment of private prison executives to head the US Marshal's office
Massive escalation of federal contracts for private prisons under US Marshall's office
Billions for nuclear bombs in Europe
Warrantless search and seizure, and suspension of Miranda rights.
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People will wrongly give up liberties to feel safer. And people 100% trust the Police/FBI. n-t
Logical
Apr 2013
#1
Actually there are large swathes of the population that don't trust law enforcement.
MadHound
Apr 2013
#5
What's worse, there are those who will unnecessarily give up other people's liberties to feel safer.
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#198
Maybe they're out celebrating today, rather than pissing & moaning on the internet?
whathehell
Apr 2013
#91
Aren't you pissing and moaning on the internet about people pissing and moaning about Civil
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#204
I was not as optimistic as you, we long ago gave up the fourth amendment for the drug war
Fumesucker
Apr 2013
#209
It's not the actual methods while the suspects were still loose with bombs and weapons that
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#243
Yes, there are those concerns, that there may be others. And I agree with you. It's possible to be
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#265
Perhaps you should do some research on what is and is not a police state.
TwilightZone
Apr 2013
#116
No raids. No martial law. Citizens wanted to help police to do their jobs.
nobodyspecial
Apr 2013
#7
So, can we allow the police to question you without your Miranda rights in play,
MadHound
Apr 2013
#13
I've had several speeding tickets in my 64 years, but no cop ever read me my Miranda rights. So what
bornskeptic
Apr 2013
#112
Nothing says Terrorists win like shutting down a city for ONE suspect. The next.....
Logical
Apr 2013
#16
If that made sense, they would do that for the Banksters who caused more harm to Boston than the
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#156
That's a far better & more realistic read, but much too positive for the sack cloth & ashes crowd
whathehell
Apr 2013
#162
All true. As you said, though, they are ignoring the obvious if it doesn't fit their narrative.
whathehell
Apr 2013
#234
Sure, because who doesn't want to take a stroll through an area with gunfire and bombs going off?
whathehell
Apr 2013
#30
Ask the inured & the families of the dead if they would have waited "all fucking day"
whathehell
Apr 2013
#68
Jesus, notice how they CANCELLED it Friday when the asshat was STILL LOOSE! WHY? Why cancel it....
Logical
Apr 2013
#76
Sure..Questions like this certainly outweigh values like lives saved and a killer captured, right?
whathehell
Apr 2013
#89
Once again, if the threat was there all day Friday, why was it not there Friday night? Wow,
Logical
Apr 2013
#93
Since you clearly don't do subtlety, let me put it in a manner you can understand..
whathehell
Apr 2013
#102
Once again..It's a lame question whose answer, whatever it is, won't cut it for you, bro!
whathehell
Apr 2013
#113
Aw, gee. I'm crushed especially since I DID did get an explanation, lame gage of the BPD as it is.
whathehell
Apr 2013
#181
Because they figured he'd lost enough blood to be weak and easy to take....and they were right.
MADem
Apr 2013
#135
"liberal board" Some of us may be liberals but it is clear that many on this board are not.
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#158
Who the hell is "they"? Who are these people who want to take away our civil liberties?
lumpy
Apr 2013
#161
Well good for you. I hope you would respect your neighbor's right to keep the door shut.
reformist2
Apr 2013
#23
Convenient for terrorists to say "don't allow a search, or else" in your scenario,
mzmolly
Apr 2013
#27
Actually... this past week I saw a small town in Texas completely destroyed.
ScreamingMeemie
Apr 2013
#22
This: "we use phrases as we choose and define or expand their meaning as we choose to".
CrispyQ
Apr 2013
#239
I really can't blame the rank and file policeman or other government employee for this.
Cleita
Apr 2013
#25
Oh please. Most people don't think clearly with guns pointed all over. Anyway, the video:
reformist2
Apr 2013
#64
Looks like a drug bust to me. That is an awful lot of adult males for one household
alphafemale
Apr 2013
#232
Um, yes, we did see them raid homes. Utube is often used now by citizens to record events that might
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#247
"if you're not a terrorist, why should you care". That pretty much sums up our society
madinmaryland
Apr 2013
#34
Of course, Ben Franklin never had to deal with some asshole putting a pressure cooker bomb at his
MADem
Apr 2013
#134
One of the arguments gun nuts use is "You can't depend on the police"...
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2013
#39
Show me a big city police chief saying people should arm themselves because the cops are useless.
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2013
#107
(1) No. (2) It wasn't. (3) If the police had probable cause to assault the house in force (and
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#166
If the "police of greater Boston fulfilled the "To Protect And Serve" role pretty well," maybe some
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#167
Boston's a blue city, and not to put too fine a point on it, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
MADem
Apr 2013
#211
Of course the community wanted them caught. Why shouldn't they have wanted that?
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#224
You're a Watertown or Mass resident and you say something as silly and inane as that?
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#227
You've got the market on "silly and inane" cornered. I don't have to "bully" you--you're a
MADem
Apr 2013
#228
You " 'don't' have to bully"? Actually, you can try but nobody bullies me. Not you. Not anyone.
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#241
Because I think what you say is unrelated to the facts and you're nuts, I'm putting you on ignore.
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#267
I expect LE to act like this in most every major city under similar circumstances...
egduj
Apr 2013
#61
Yep. With all their home invasions, the police didn't even find him! A civilian did.
reformist2
Apr 2013
#66
For the TSA to consider a person to be a possible criminal and terrorist based upon complaining, is
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#168
Adding, you would have preferred an endless barrage of "red alerts" followed by attacking
mzmolly
Apr 2013
#67
You must be joking. Everything that happened in Boston was justified in my mind.
geckosfeet
Apr 2013
#83
If your house in on fire, are the firefighters breaking down your door trespassing?
baldguy
Apr 2013
#92
They sure don't like it, they're out in force insulting, abusing and hating the truth
just1voice
Apr 2013
#200
I'm pretty sure the 4th Amendment had more to do with political persecutions...
randome
Apr 2013
#105
I thought it was people wanted to be able to hide things from the government.
limpyhobbler
Apr 2013
#127
Benjamin Franklin thought we should stay a colony of England for the longest time, too.
MADem
Apr 2013
#213
BRAVO. But "civil liberties be returned"? Not likely, what with those "USA! USA!" cheers (p.i.).
WinkyDink
Apr 2013
#139
This is exactly how I feel. Our civil liberties have been so eroded since 9/11 and
forestpath
Apr 2013
#140
I'm sorry if I did that, it wasn't intentional, nonetheless, I'm not convinced that
whathehell
Apr 2013
#201
Two predictions: (1) Some will say that "his actual rights" were "suspended."
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#173
Welcome To Revolution - The Right Wing Revolution - Enjoy Remembering Those Freedoms
cantbeserious
Apr 2013
#151
This is why the founding fathers worried about political parties - people get way too attached.
reformist2
Apr 2013
#155
Well said. But it does appear that a lot of people, even on this board, don't want you or anyone
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#176
You are wrong in saying "we are indeed, living in a police state." You are also wrong in suggesting
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#256
What deviation from the truth? You FALSLY said "she recommends everyone to be armed"
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#223
She never said "You're gonna NEED more than a butterknife". Beginning at 0:10 she described
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#246
Are you kidding me? The American public will NEVER demand these civil liberties be returned.
Zorra
Apr 2013
#182
I'm expecting them to waterboard the subject once he recovers enough to endure it.
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#242