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117. So you don't think a murder rate is a meaningful statistic?

Reply to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Reply #116)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:43 PM

Apr 2013

Do you understand Detroit saw 400+ murders, and has a population that's less than a third of Chicago's?

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Guardian: Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths? [View all] wtmusic Apr 2013 OP

Because America doesn't DARE offend the gun humpers in ANY way. forestpath Apr 2013 #1

So, no one offends (or even uses) the expression "gun humper" on DU? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #9

And why didn't it work? Because the Head Gun-Humpers, the NRA, and its $, is more precious to them MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #44

Thank you for a perfect example. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #101

I agree with the poster you admonished amuse bouche Apr 2013 #52

Hahaha! Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #77

Gun Murders Vs Terrorism avebury Apr 2013 #12

Such palpably cherry-picked and misleading statistics don't help, I think. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #24

There is nothing to refute that fact that the number of avebury Apr 2013 #33

Without your *economy* you wouldn't even be close to a top tier nation, but that's tautological. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #36

History has shown that a political entity that avebury Apr 2013 #53

The problem is NewJeffCT Apr 2013 #103

Call that $5 trillion that we spent on the war on terror, what it really is WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2013 #112

Hey, apparently you did dare offend some Progressive dog Apr 2013 #39

I thought the city of Boston acted responsibly--the goal was to catch that little bastard TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #2

More people have probably died in Boston from gunfire since the marathon wtmusic Apr 2013 #4

I'd bet that too! Plucketeer Apr 2013 #100

Agreed. treestar Apr 2013 #5

Maybe London would have been safer if the UK ceased their occupation of Ireland byeya Apr 2013 #15

Yep. My thoughts exactly. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #6

Would that be the appropriate reaction to every murder in the city? harmonicon Apr 2013 #57

Somebody who murders--AND may destroy property or infrastructure--with explosives, TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #59

And that's different from another unsolved murder how? (nt) harmonicon Apr 2013 #60

Er... bombings? Possibly in concert with others who might have been plotting attacks, too? TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #61

I'm not saying they did the wrong thing, but I think you're proving my point, and that's sad. (nt) harmonicon Apr 2013 #63

If your point is that shootings aren't different from terror, I don't think there's much difference. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #68

What the fuck does "terror" mean? harmonicon Apr 2013 #71

In my view, it's lots of people having the potential to die at once. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #72

+1 wtmusic Apr 2013 #95

WOW, blindness. GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #87

What makes three deaths that happen simultaneously more important than three spread out over time? wtmusic Apr 2013 #96

I don't remember that response following the OKC bombing alarimer Apr 2013 #65

No, but we were still largely terror noobs back then, the first WTC attack notwithstanding. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #70

But it didn't work. alarimer Apr 2013 #114

Because we're silly assholes. whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #3

We are. wtmusic Apr 2013 #7

^ Whatchamacallit, for the win ^ Myrina Apr 2013 #11

It does put things into perspective. The UK experienced avebury Apr 2013 #8

+ + byeya Apr 2013 #14

Most gun deaths are not random acts... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #10

Oh, that's nice. harmonicon Apr 2013 #64

Did you mean to respond to me? Bay Boy Apr 2013 #67

It's quite clear that you wouldn't. (nt) harmonicon Apr 2013 #75

Stupid article Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #13

Yeah, it's so much more friendly to be killed by someone you know or someone you love n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #16

Point just zipped past you, didn't it? nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #17

You must have attached that point to the Blue Flame rocket car, IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #21

Is it wrong that I laughed out loud at that? Quantess Apr 2013 #31

Score one for Fumesucker nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #42

Most of the gangsters in our city are aiming at one another... hunter Apr 2013 #18

I think that if anything you reinforce rather than undermining the article you attack. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #26

Most people who are murdered don't know it's coming, either. wtmusic Apr 2013 #37

Who knew what was coming in Newtown? snagglepuss Apr 2013 #41

You think that makes a difference?! harmonicon Apr 2013 #66

Because right-wingers are raised on a daily ration of fear. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #19

And many on the left live in fear of guns, christians, and pit bulls The Straight Story Apr 2013 #20

We've grown so used to death by guns that it doesn't phase us anymore. neverforget Apr 2013 #22

Yes, America is de-sensitized to gun violence. Murder, mass shootings, suicide by gun, armed robbery AlinPA Apr 2013 #62

Because the big industry around gun deaths sells guns. The big industry around terror sells terror. Marr Apr 2013 #23

You nailed it! n/t Wind Dancer Apr 2013 #54

The same reason... WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #25

Wow malaise Apr 2013 #27

Because deaths to terrorism come in larger blocks. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #28

Big brother has taught us to worship our gun heritage and accept the carnage associated indepat Apr 2013 #29

This. Apophis Apr 2013 #46

Americans also ignore corporate malfeasance that leads to multiple deaths. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #30

Totally agree. Much more easily preventable than what happened in Boston... deurbano Apr 2013 #34

Far from ignoring, many actually financially back them and reap the rewards. nt raouldukelives Apr 2013 #91

Answer to headline question adieu Apr 2013 #32

Because most murders are not political krispos42 Apr 2013 #35

America's gun deaths are very much a political casualty wtmusic Apr 2013 #38

Not my point, and I think you know that krispos42 Apr 2013 #76

Whatever. Your point didn't address the OP. nt wtmusic Apr 2013 #82

That is your opinion only. n/t krispos42 Apr 2013 #86

That about sums it up. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #102

I've Asked Hundreds of Senate/House Staffers The Same Thing otohara Apr 2013 #40

Acts of terrorism allows the US to puff its collective chest and say, "Look at me." bulloney Apr 2013 #43

Money. agent46 Apr 2013 #45

I would also ask pipi_k Apr 2013 #47

Gee... I don't know? harmonicon Apr 2013 #69

Well it's not pipi_k Apr 2013 #80

Thousands a year, at least. harmonicon Apr 2013 #81

And yet pipi_k Apr 2013 #92

I'm going to try to not be insulting in this response.... harmonicon Apr 2013 #99

The deathly news is dribbled to us so consistently and often that we barely raise an eyebrow Ed Suspicious Apr 2013 #48

They're not really asking why Americans "ignore" daily gun deaths, though. hughee99 Apr 2013 #49

Why haven't Americans outlawed guns? Most Americans don't favor that. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #104

Why would the opinions of Americans matter to a British newspaper? hughee99 Apr 2013 #105

I don't see that Americans' opinions do matter to the paper/site. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #106

The TV told us to Blue Owl Apr 2013 #50

PERFECT question spanone Apr 2013 #51

What a very good question!!!! MNBrewer Apr 2013 #55

because Uhhhhhmericans are exceedingly stupid datasuspect Apr 2013 #56

It's easier to point the finger than take responsibility for it. toby jo Apr 2013 #58

Because the 2nd Amendment is sacred to the god of death and the god of death demands daily sacrifice Hekate Apr 2013 #73

Bombs are "arms." harmonicon Apr 2013 #74

because outside threats are much easier to deal with. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #78

My exact thoughts ramapo Apr 2013 #79

Really, Guardian? Terror in quotes? Union Scribe Apr 2013 #83

Well, here in the city of Chicago, we typically rank near... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #84

Same in Detroit FrodosPet Apr 2013 #85

Myth: Chicago and DC Are Worst for Gun Violence Despite Gun Safety Laws Robb Apr 2013 #90

Per capita? We had over 500 murders in Chicago in 2012 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #113

Are you serious? Robb Apr 2013 #115

Yeah, over 500 murders WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #116

So you don't think a murder rate is a meaningful statistic? Robb Apr 2013 #117

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #118

Why do you think the total number is more important? Robb Apr 2013 #120

Boundaries are arbitrary... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #123

War is profitable, and terrorizing the public ensures the prolonging of the Great and Profitable War sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #88

The part is really good at summing up America, right here: MrScorpio Apr 2013 #89

A sense the victrims are complicit One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #93

Because we don't have an NTA VWolf Apr 2013 #94

Because that is what spooks our ruling elites. bemildred Apr 2013 #97

I don't have much to say about the article's point re: "cowed by threat of terrorism," but... Orrex Apr 2013 #98

That's the question of our lifetimes. sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #107

And if he wants to talk overreaction Union Scribe Apr 2013 #108

I suspect the Guardian probably did. marmar Apr 2013 #109

Then he should know better Union Scribe Apr 2013 #110

Madness gussmith Apr 2013 #111

Yeah, I have been feeling that way since 911... I grew up with a much greater threat M.A.D usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #119

This kind of says it all about America's priorities..... dutchroll Apr 2013 #121

It could be in part rrneck Apr 2013 #122

. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #124

because terror by the NRA is considered as American as apple pie Skittles Apr 2013 #125

Same reason we freak out over mass shootings and plane crashes but not... Recursion Apr 2013 #126