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89. You certainly are in a froth about this.

Thu May 2, 2013, 05:08 PM

May 2013

So I'll repeat what I said to you up thread.

There are many, many laws on the books - a lot of them are no longer relevant, are outdated, or simply wrong for modern society. The existence of an outdated law does not force the President to make a proclamation reminding everyone it exists.

You may think you are defending the President with these posts, but you aren't. You are actually making him look like a completely ineffectual tool - a puppet whose actions are totally controlled by others. Is that what you think? That the President has no ability to act independently; to decide for himself whether or not he wants to align himself with this almost 60 year old law by offering a toothless public proclamation encouraging people to recognize it?

Interesting defense. Indeed.

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Pres.Obama proclaims May 1 as Loyalty Day [View all] dixiegrrrrl May 2013 OP

loyalty is a two way street, homie. datasuspect May 2013 #1

homie? nt ecstatic May 2013 #102

Gotta love the Onion IDemo May 2013 #2

Nope, not the Onion. woo me with science May 2013 #52

I knew that IDemo May 2013 #55

+1 You know the system is sick when you can't even parody it anymore. nt woo me with science May 2013 #59

Interesting take on the growing obsolescence of the Onion... Eleanors38 May 2013 #66

Thanks for the observation, Woo Me with Science. truedelphi May 2013 #213

... warrprayer May 2013 #3

It's consonant with int'l labor day if you read the whole thing frazzled May 2013 #4

It is an explicit denial of class society in America. tralala May 2013 #17

How is it a denial of class society in America? frazzled May 2013 #20

My two cents deutsey May 2013 #25

I second your words. Mira May 2013 #43

Not interested in semantic games tralala May 2013 #26

Me either frazzled May 2013 #32

except who knows that? most think of it G_j May 2013 #65

Well, there you have it. a "day celebrated by the left" gets to hear the "loyalty" message... Eleanors38 May 2013 #70

Why not make it simple and just call it International Labor Day, to remember the struggles of those sabrina 1 May 2013 #159

I entirely agree. n/t ocpagu May 2013 #184

I find it a very empty gesture. And insulting to labor. forestpath May 2013 #5

it's a curious (anti-labor and/or anti-Communist) tradition foo_bar May 2013 #6

My iniital impression was correct dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #31

Replacing May Day with Law Day was bad enough. rug May 2013 #7

+1 Blue_Tires May 2013 #10

+ + byeya May 2013 #24

Yes, why this trip to May 1 Mecca to regularly pay homage to what it doesn't mean? Eleanors38 May 2013 #73

36 U.S.C. § 115: (a) Designation.— May 1 is Loyalty Day. IT IS A FUCKING LAW. DevonRex May 2013 #75

First enacted in 1921 on the heels of the Palmer Raids and the "Red Scare". rug May 2013 #98

Whatever, dude. nt DevonRex May 2013 #99

"statutory propaganda." dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #207

Meh magellan May 2013 #8

You mean now Corporations are going to be loyal to their employees? Myrina May 2013 #9

No, it's Obama's way of showing loyalty to his corporate masters. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #16

OBAMA DID NOT PASS THIS LAW. CONGRESS DID. DevonRex May 2013 #76

+1! sheshe2 May 2013 #109

Ah, yes, but the KING BARACK crowd WILL find a way to paint it in a negative light AND blame it all MADem May 2013 #150

Hey, I love the video! DevonRex May 2013 #155

I hear ya! nt MADem May 2013 #158

Don't confuse me with facts! Demo_Chris May 2013 #164

That is the sweetest thing DevonRex May 2013 #173

Sounds like one hell of a bad day... tomorrow should be better. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #175

"Patriotism is voluntary. It is a feeling of loyalty and allegiance that is the result of knowledge bemildred May 2013 #11

Reagan'st 1st proclamation (1981) of "Loyalty Day" Melinda May 2013 #12

JFK's last one before he was murdered...Proclamation 3528 - Loyalty Day, 1963 April 18, 1963 MADem May 2013 #212

I find it alarming. enlightenment May 2013 #13

Yup. Creepy as hell. woo me with science May 2013 #51

It was passed into LAW in the 1950s. DevonRex May 2013 #77

Yes - we did a lot of truly enlightenment May 2013 #84

It has been done every single year since passage. He didn't "dust it off" DevonRex May 2013 #88

"Requested", DevonRex enlightenment May 2013 #90

Oh good fucking lord. Some people. nt DevonRex May 2013 #92

Since you're reduced to sputtering enlightenment May 2013 #97

Some people here wouldn't be satisfied unless the President acted like a petulant child. tritsofme May 2013 #105

... Number23 May 2013 #112

What President is going to make the choice of taking a stand treestar May 2013 #197

Can you believe this shit? treestar May 2013 #113

As God is my witness, DevonRex May 2013 #117

Yup... SidDithers May 2013 #120

Yup. DevonRex May 2013 #122

Amazing that no one yelled at "Dumbya"...ain't it? MADem May 2013 #151

Yep that is quite interesting treestar May 2013 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author DevonRex May 2013 #86

There are lots of "laws" that pervert other concepts. Doesn't make it "right", nt JanMichael May 2013 #106

Funny, that. Since it originates in the 1950s and was NOT invented by Obama. kestrel91316 May 2013 #111

He really has no clue. ozone_man May 2013 #136

What an utter disaster this guy is. nt Poll_Blind May 2013 #14

I know--when he took the Presidential Time Machine back to 1959 and made May 1 'Loyalty Day,' I was msanthrope May 2013 #95

You win the thread--hilarious!!!! MADem May 2013 #178

Loyalty day? I think it's Obama's way of telling his supporters where HIS loyalties lie. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #15

Vomiting now Coyotl May 2013 #18

corporate shill, for sure SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #60

Loyalty Day dates back to 1921 LiberalEsto May 2013 #19

Interesting that even tho it was made a law in 1958... dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #41

Obama has proclaimed it every year that he's been in office fishwax May 2013 #68

Thanks n/t War Horse May 2013 #82

was used to oppose people who protested the Vietnam war. G_j May 2013 #48

Well, this is 2013. Time to move forward. The 'commies' are over, although some people do live sabrina 1 May 2013 #160

Absolutely LiberalEsto May 2013 #194

May 1 is Beltane and no government proclamation can change that magical thyme May 2013 #21

I have to confess I do not know what Beltane is. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #124

one of the 8 Great Sabbats of wiccan and pagan religions magical thyme May 2013 #129

a dim memnory is stirring.... dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #130

some of the other Sabbats may help jog your memory.... magical thyme May 2013 #135

The GOP responded by introducing a bill designating May 2 as 11 Bravo May 2013 #22

And this is May 2nd. GMTA. freshwest May 2013 #145

I'll stick with International Labor Day and celebrating spring n/t deutsey May 2013 #23

It's a fitting move. vi5 May 2013 #27

Fuck that shit obama...... bowens43 May 2013 #28

This is a law passed in the 1950s. Good God. nt DevonRex May 2013 #78

Wait..wait. He's actually serious about this nonsense? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #29

Actually and very publicly serious, it seems. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #37

I prefer this version for May Day. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #40

This was passed into law in the 1950s. But somebody here decided to DevonRex May 2013 #80

You certainly are in a froth about this. enlightenment May 2013 #89

LOL. Read my reply up there. nt DevonRex May 2013 #91

I did. enlightenment May 2013 #93

Every President has done it every year since 1960 treestar May 2013 #114

Pot and kettle. enlightenment May 2013 #134

For God's sake, READ and stop spouting inanities Number23 May 2013 #116

Absolutely correct, this is way outdated, definitely time to move forward. After we are able to sabrina 1 May 2013 #161

Shouldn't he have said, "what's left of our Constitution?" nt City Lights May 2013 #30

Obama is the guy who when truedelphi May 2013 #215

.......... Marrah_G May 2013 #33

As Orwellian as "homeland" MindPilot May 2013 #34

Sad that come every Presidential election day truedelphi May 2013 #222

Oh... BARF !!! WillyT May 2013 #35

I thought this was a joke. bunnies May 2013 #36

But...but...N.Korea does not have all the rights and "freedoms" that we did.. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #38

& I especially love our new freedom... bunnies May 2013 #39

If it's supposed to be a sop to the right, the irony is it will probably make them freak out. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #42

Oh you know it! This will have a complete other meaning to the Teabaggers! Rex May 2013 #45

There's a lesson in there, somewhere Warren DeMontague May 2013 #46

sort of feels like the left is getting poked in the eye G_j May 2013 #44

I'm so use to it now that it hardly registers anymore. Rex May 2013 #47

in particular, this feels like a deliberate G_j May 2013 #49

Yeah I think it is. Rex May 2013 #50

Why would the president need to poke "the left" in the eye Number23 May 2013 #118

He intends to keep poking us in the eyes until we're blind to what he's doing DJ13 May 2013 #54

fucking sick shit cali May 2013 #53

I'm not really a fan of loyalty day, but Obama didn't designate it such fishwax May 2013 #56

I know, but why is it now A PROCLAMATION ? G_j May 2013 #57

there's been a proclamation every year for the past 50+ years fishwax May 2013 #63

interesting G_j May 2013 #69

yeah, it's a weird thing. I don't think I've ever thought about it outside of DU fishwax May 2013 #128

that was a trip G_j May 2013 #131

Thanks to you and the others redqueen May 2013 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author DevonRex May 2013 #83

Tell ya what..I will change the headline... dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #110

I'll stick with International Worker's Day. Luminous Animal May 2013 #58

+1. grntuscarora May 2013 #153

I think as highly of Loyalty Day truebluegreen May 2013 #61

"Loyalty day" my arse idwiyo May 2013 #62

FYI ProSense May 2013 #64

LOL, that's gonna sink like a rock. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr May 2013 #71

36 U.S.C. § 115: (a) Designation.— May 1 is Loyalty Day. IT IS A FUCKING LAW. DevonRex May 2013 #74

WTF????? Taverner May 2013 #79

This was passed in the 1950s ferchrisake. Eisenhower proclaimed it. DevonRex May 2013 #81

WTF??? Jesus FUCK we are still suffering from McCarthyism! Taverner May 2013 #141

Every single President, every single year has made this proclamation. DevonRex May 2013 #143

No, I'm just sick of the way McCarthyism and Blue Laws have stayed kicking and screaming Taverner May 2013 #147

How quaint. Earth_First May 2013 #85

When I was a kid my only question about Loyalty Day would be tularetom May 2013 #87

Do we care about 'facts' any more or are we becoming factless anti-republicans. pampango May 2013 #94

I just posted that he had signed the Proclamation... dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #100

Much of GD hasn't cared about facts for a while Number23 May 2013 #119

Read what you wrote nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #140

1959... SidDithers May 2013 #96

My loyalty always has and always will be to the international working class.... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #101

Do not like. Matariki May 2013 #103

'now go die for corporate profits' nt markiv May 2013 #104

'2 minutes loyalty' every day, would be better markiv May 2013 #107

I think YOU get a FAIL for not correcting your misleading post when it has been pointed out kestrel91316 May 2013 #108

+1 treestar May 2013 #115

Obama signed it. No one forced him to. I must as such take it as part and parcel of his intent. n/t Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #186

You are obviously truly outraged Summer Hathaway May 2013 #190

What kind of argument is that? ocpagu May 2013 #193

It isn't an argument. Summer Hathaway May 2013 #206

Now see, it was not a problem before this year! treestar May 2013 #198

Loyalty 4 what? Stagnant Wages? Unemployment? Corporate Profits? Homelessness? Banks? War? Torture? Catherina May 2013 #121

Oh, go ahead and PRETEND you haven't seen this has been DEBUNKED all over the thread. DevonRex May 2013 #125

In Lancaster PA where I grew up May 1 has always been Loyalty Day MadrasT May 2013 #123

That's very sad. ocpagu May 2013 #192

Deeply disturbing Addison May 2013 #126

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope May 2013 #127

Thanks, I will Addison May 2013 #132

Ms. is indicative of transgender? You enjoy your stay! nt msanthrope May 2013 #138

Ms. = Miss, and anthropos = man; thus your username means Miss Man Addison May 2013 #209

ROFL Oilwellian May 2013 #210

Welcome to DU. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #137

Was the loyalty oath to him or the Federal Reserve Bank? Safetykitten May 2013 #133

With Americans and immigrants taking to the streets nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #139

Call it what it is. Arctic Dave May 2013 #142

Certainly sounds as if a 60 something year old law has become very outdated. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #144

When all else fails, wave the flag and look constipated with patriotic sincerity. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #146

Happy McCarthy Death Day - May 2nd!!! LeftInTX May 2013 #148

Every day on DU is now proclaimed to be Obama Outrage Day. JoePhilly May 2013 #149

What I LOVE ABOUT THIS THREAD!!!!!!!! MADem May 2013 #154

very true. nt JoePhilly May 2013 #156

Oh stop. This is 2013 and a near century year old law is what people are using to defend the use of sabrina 1 May 2013 #162

Do point us to your threads of complaint about this proclamation in years past. MADem May 2013 #166

Why don't you link to whatever it is you are rambling on about? IF I had seen this in the past sabrina 1 May 2013 #167

You need to read the thread--there's no need for links. MADem May 2013 #168

None of that answers my question. YOU accused ME of not doing something and I asked you for sabrina 1 May 2013 #172

"Law" isn't optional. It's the law of the land. You'd certainly pitch a fit if Dumbya flouted the MADem May 2013 #177

.. Number23 May 2013 #191

King Barack should just use the bully pulpit to get this changed treestar May 2013 #202

People you voted for like Eisenhower? treestar May 2013 #201

Nailed it. nt Bobbie Jo May 2013 #165

Why thank you, Bobbie Jo! nt MADem May 2013 #169

Oh, you are SO right! Summer Hathaway May 2013 #181

What it is!!! +1000! nt MADem May 2013 #183

MADem, I have to say that you are TOTALLY enjoying yourself in this thread and the others Number23 May 2013 #189

We've got just a few choices, here! MADem May 2013 #211

'absurd pomposity' is just about the most adequate word I can think of to describe these folks Number23 May 2013 #220

It's always worse between election years, too. MADem May 2013 #221

This thread is indeed the tipping point for the preponderance of the evidence treestar May 2013 #200

Heck, today must be really short on outrages! treestar May 2013 #199

Personally it too close to the "Loyality oaths" Republicans in W Administration tried diabeticman May 2013 #152

Fuck that shit. Fantastic Anarchist May 2013 #157

I don't care how May 1 came to be called "Loyalty Day," Brigid May 2013 #163

Why not get off your butt and work to repeal the law that requires the proclamation, instead MADem May 2013 #170

Did you read the part where I said . . . Brigid May 2013 #179

Your very post belies that assertion. I'd say you DO care, if you bother to gripe about it. nt MADem May 2013 #180

Only if May 2-April 31st get to be "Critical Thinking Days". wickerwoman May 2013 #171

Thanks for that great observation, wickerwoman. n/t truedelphi May 2013 #217

I'm not a fan of "Loyalty Day" myself Cali_Democrat May 2013 #174

What do I think of Loyalty Day? Blue_In_AK May 2013 #176

Blatant, utterly sickening attempt to make us forget May 1 is WORKER'S RIGHTS DAY! Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #182

Ever heard of "Labor Day"? Summer Hathaway May 2013 #187

That's just ProSense May 2013 #196

Forget worker's rights day. FORGET. FORGET. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #185

Really?? We forget Labor Day?? Maybe you do. nt msanthrope May 2013 #203

I'm all for it. The proclamation says it perfectly. NYC Liberal May 2013 #188

Loyalty to who? darkangel218 May 2013 #204

"Loyalty Day" KG May 2013 #205

Loyalty to whom? marshall May 2013 #208

So Pres Obama, one question, if you would, Sir: truedelphi May 2013 #214

BTW, at the risk of repeating myself: truedelphi May 2013 #216

Here, ProSense May 2013 #218

I think that you totally misread my statements. truedelphi May 2013 #219