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madfloridian

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Mon May 13, 2013, 07:28 PM May 2013

In a healthcare supply store today I saw an elderly man deprived of a needed oxygen tank. [View all]

This is a large healthcare supply store that ships nationwide. The owner is a wealthy man who will suffer no consequences from his actions today.

I overheard him tell an obviously unwell elderly man that they were refusing to accept his insurance. I gathered he has a Medicare Advantage plan, though I did not catch which one.

He slowly got his question out to the owner...why are you refusing to accept my insurance? The owner said it was because of Obamacare, that he could not afford to take the cuts in payments for supplies. He told the man that his insurance would change from paying 50 dollars for the item to only 19 dollars in January 2014.

The man said what can I do? The owner said he just didn't know.

The man then left and said whatever. When I checked out I said where others could hear that he had turned this from a health care center to a political arena, and that it was a shame.

Since hubby and I were both hospitalized with a bad strain of pneumonia the last of March I have seen so many changes from when he was sick before. Reduced staff and delays in responding to patients are the most obvious.

Top Five Ways the President's Budget Would Change Medicare

The changes appear to be just beginning.

In 2017, 2019 and 2021, new Medicare beneficiaries would have to pay an additional $25 for their Part B deductible, for a three-year total of $75 to be added on to the cost of the Part B premium, which in 2013 is $147.

The administration says the change would "strengthen program financing and encourage beneficiaries to seek high-value health care services." Seniors advocates say it's an additional cost to people already struggling on fixed incomes. In 2012, nearly half of Medicare beneficiaries had annual incomes of below $22,500.

Also starting in 2017, Obama's plan would require new Medicare beneficiaries to pay $100 for five or more home health care visits that are not preceded by a stay in the hospital or another medical facility, such as a nursing home or a rehabilitation hospital. Home health care is one of the few areas in Medicare that does not have cost sharing, and its rapid growth in recent years has led panels like the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC) to recommend beneficiary cost sharing.

Beginning in 2017, new beneficiaries who purchase supplemental insurance, known as Medigap, with particularly low cost-sharing requirements -- such as "first-dollar" coverage -- will face a surcharge equivalent to approximately 15 percent of the average Medigap premium. The thought is that more generous Medigap plans encourage overuse of services, but seniors rely on these generous plans to shield them from unanticipated costs.


There is already a great inconsistency in Medicare Advantage plans. For example Blue Medicare requires a co-pay of $150 for each day in the hospital up to day 7. Aetna Medicare requires no co-pay at all for those first 7 days.

I think the health care supply owner will go tonight to his fancy home thinking nothing at all about that man he turned away. I hope that discouraged man will find another supply place that will accept his insurance. I wondered how many more will be in the same situation as the cuts begin.
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That was written by a Kaiser reporter on 4-15--3 upaloopa May 2013 #1
It means elderly sick people won't get needed services or items. madfloridian May 2013 #5
Your reply makes me think you don't have the upaloopa May 2013 #19
You think I have an axe to grind? Really? madfloridian May 2013 #22
Playing Hardball With Human Lives grilled onions May 2013 #2
Seniors really are pawns right now. madfloridian May 2013 #6
The other issue in this case is we're talking about Medicare Advantage, pnwmom May 2013 #13
Exactly GCP May 2013 #24
I suspect we are going to see more of this. Turbineguy May 2013 #3
If the GOP TheFutureWillCome May 2013 #27
Perhaps murder is a strong word Turbineguy May 2013 #48
You must be thinking of a different law. former9thward May 2013 #51
Gonna be a lawsuit..discrimination towards "new" Medicare recipients dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #4
Such a change from the 90s.. madfloridian May 2013 #7
I have to admit I know very little about how Medicare works davidpdx May 2013 #21
Before Bush "reformed" it, it was easy. joeunderdog May 2013 #62
k&r Starry Messenger May 2013 #8
Thanks. madfloridian May 2013 #10
Ready for school to be over. Starry Messenger May 2013 #18
K&R nt Mnemosyne May 2013 #9
Thanks. madfloridian May 2013 #11
It is very alarming, mad. When the prescription plan changed for medicare, I was in line behind Mnemosyne May 2013 #54
Isn't Medicare Advantage the private alternative that's more expensive than regular Medicare? pnwmom May 2013 #12
There are reasons some use it. madfloridian May 2013 #14
But should the government be subsidizing private plans that cost more pnwmom May 2013 #15
Not really. madfloridian May 2013 #16
I think that oxygen supply guy was just shooting a line of bull anyway. pnwmom May 2013 #17
It is well known in the medical community that Medicare will vastly "overpay" for services without cbdo2007 May 2013 #20
Yes, I am well aware of that. I wonder if that man and others like him really care... madfloridian May 2013 #23
Are you learning new things? snooper2 May 2013 #32
No, just caring about the vulnerable. madfloridian May 2013 #34
Times are changing. Now we defend cuts that harm a sick man? madfloridian May 2013 #25
As I understand it, the cuts have not taken effect yet riqster May 2013 #31
See posts 35 and 36 madfloridian May 2013 #38
I don't think the Medicare cuts are what is harming a sick man. pnwmom May 2013 #49
I believe the benefit cuts will do great harm. madfloridian May 2013 #50
Do you think that oxygen suppliers should be able to charge a lot more pnwmom May 2013 #60
No, of course I do not think that. madfloridian May 2013 #65
I'm not assuming anything about the financial means of Medicare patients. pnwmom May 2013 #68
Wait, he refused now for a plan that kicks in next year? He's going to lose beaucoup money. nolabear May 2013 #26
Because he can. madfloridian May 2013 #29
Cool story, bro. nt msanthrope May 2013 #28
I'm not a bro. madfloridian May 2013 #30
Well, 'bro' is used here as a gender-neutral noun...like, 'hey guys' said to a msanthrope May 2013 #33
Well I have another "cool story" for you. unapatriciated May 2013 #55
It takes effect next month? Why not post the letter, without your identifying information? msanthrope May 2013 #57
I'm 61 and in no position to look for another job, so no I will not post the letter unapatriciated May 2013 #59
I'm not suggesting you lied. I'm suggesting you shame your company by msanthrope May 2013 #61
Sorry I have to disagree unapatriciated May 2013 #63
I am with you on that. madfloridian May 2013 #66
Everyone knows now that you have contempt for me and my "fairy tales". madfloridian May 2013 #64
I think it may be related to the July rollout of bidding Yo_Mama May 2013 #35
Survey doesn't include ones who were refused service or couldn't afford copay. madfloridian May 2013 #36
A LOT of people won't be able to afford the home health copay Yo_Mama May 2013 #40
I didn't read the full article gvstn May 2013 #41
But it would send those who chose home health care instead of in-hospital care... madfloridian May 2013 #45
This is only the beginning. Single payer is the only moral and decent way to solve this. L0oniX May 2013 #37
I'm not sure the store owner was being forthright about any of this. Tanuki May 2013 #39
He was making it a political football. madfloridian May 2013 #44
The little people are used for cannon fodder and to pay taxes. Octafish May 2013 #42
You should not have had to say that. There was a time it wouldn't have been necessary. madfloridian May 2013 #46
I'm hearing a lot of from people in the medical business - haele May 2013 #43
Very well stated. Thank you! gvstn May 2013 #47
I understand what you are saying.. Things aren't good out there for our Seniors... KoKo May 2013 #52
Your post is only too true. madfloridian May 2013 #53
MF..Whre is the AARP on all of this. Do you know? Many left the site awhile back KoKo May 2013 #67
Thanks and K&R unapatriciated May 2013 #56
That's a shame. madfloridian May 2013 #58
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