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29. Yes,

Thu May 30, 2013, 08:44 AM

May 2013

"The DemocraticUnderground can say things the Democratic Party cannot say."

...remember when Fox Noise was a hack organization?

CREW Challenges Fox D.C. Licenses (petitioning FCC to revoke NewsCorp broadcast licenses)http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014203760

Fox's U.S. TV station licenses challenged
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021201498

CREW asks the FCC to revoke Fox's broadcast license
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002636094

How To Stop The Father Of Fox News From Entering Your Living Room
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021907140

Robert F. Kennedy Jr: Fox News Has Divided Country In A Way Not Seen Since Civil War
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014330084

It still is.

CONFIRMED: Fox News Hack James Rosen Is A Political Operative, Not A Journalist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022897356

News Corp. vs. Fox News? (the Rosen story gets even more bizarre)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022910478

CNN: DOJ Has Proof It Alerted News Corp. Of Rosen Subpoena
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022918692

The "point of the First Amendment" is not to defend propaganda, the criminal leak of classified information, or issues people have with Holder.

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The DemocraticUnderground can say things the Democratic Party cannot say. [View all] kentuck May 2013 OP

If all that bubbles up from the underground is an affirmation of party talking points... idiocracy Ed Suspicious May 2013 #1

Yes. nt LWolf May 2013 #21

Basic fallacy at work - There is no monolithic opinion on all issues within the party. leveymg May 2013 #98

Strawman... kentuck May 2013 #102

Explain the difference between "we should not veer too far from the Democratic Party talking points" leveymg May 2013 #134

"There is no monolithic opinion ..." but there are basic values and those basic values include patrice May 2013 #251

Overall, I think DU is a pretty diverse, tolerant place. leveymg May 2013 #312

Overall, I would agree with you. kentuck May 2013 #322

META. and I disagree with your post 100%. I myself back Eric Holder for SCOTUS. Wiki included here graham4anything May 2013 #2

I'm shocked, shocked that you of all people would say that. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #4

I'm not. Phlem May 2013 #224

Beat me to it. +1 & LOL. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #270

Lol! sabrina 1 May 2013 #337

there's no smear. and if you don't like criticisim of your idols, tough shit. cali May 2013 #8

This cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #24

and That ChairmanAgnostic May 2013 #28

And the other thing? cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #30

And this here one too! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #92

K&R!!! +++ 1,000,000 +++ and another +++ 1,000,000 +++ DU does RKP5637 May 2013 #86

Not happy Half-Century Man May 2013 #194

I think you need to scrub your brain with bleach Viking12 May 2013 #217

That's true...D Feinstein would look MUCH better in a mini skirt. nt clarice May 2013 #229

Wow.........I was trying to be funny Half-Century Man May 2013 #279

It was an attempted suicide then, I'm glad your computer lived Dragonfli May 2013 #364

lol. thanks nt clarice Jun 2013 #497

LOL! "I believe I'll try a good bit of alcohol poisoning later." RKP5637 May 2013 #235

I don't know about "should" but most assuredly it "is" tavalon May 2013 #381

Watch the language, please. It was uncalled for and definatelly way out of bounds.... marble falls May 2013 #118

"Watch the language,please." Puglover May 2013 #158

I fucking watch the language shit all the fuckass time. cali May 2013 #383

LOL you were the star of this thread Cali! Puglover May 2013 #426

Watch the language? RetroLounge May 2013 #347

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck May 2013 #352

Which language would you prefer? In all fairness most of us speak english and remain unharmed. Dragonfli May 2013 #365

+a brazillion! Puglover May 2013 #153

Oh cali, you so nailed it Autumn May 2013 #171

^^^^^^^^^ nt laundry_queen May 2013 #193

I think I love you +1000 CokeMachine May 2013 #222

Well said, AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #263

what about this Phlem May 2013 #298

I hate to add another post agreeing with you but I must. Dont let it go to your head. rhett o rick May 2013 #309

Lol! You said it cali .... sabrina 1 May 2013 #341

Eric Holder is a prissy timid mouse who sucks lemons and is afraid of his own shadow hootinholler May 2013 #82

Oh my, I loves me some hoot! suffragette May 2013 #340

Yes! And lets not forget all the Bankers he threw in jail. Zero. lob1 Jun 2013 #479

Yeah? Well I disagree with your post 1000% LondonReign2 May 2013 #83

"supportive of the Democratic Party..." choie May 2013 #181

"esteemed Eric Holder" LMFAO ...hey can I buy some of that LSD you're taking? L0oniX May 2013 #201

It's that rare shit you can only get from the CIA Dragonfli May 2013 #366

If we don't stand up for Dem Party principles tblue May 2013 #277

First, we need to have a clear message about what those principles are derby378 May 2013 #450

It's only hard because the tent is too big tblue May 2013 #459

That's not really a set of principles, though derby378 May 2013 #461

Right you are. The more sure of your outlook, the less you need to explain. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #493

"the esteemed Eric Holder" RetroLounge May 2013 #350

Duzy! tavalon May 2013 #382

Now where is that sarcasm tag....hmmm, not there. I was all set to get a good laugh out of that. gtar100 May 2013 #375

Yeah, that's like saying we have to support the sociopathic Rahm Emanuel tavalon May 2013 #384

come election season, why yes, you do. graham4anything May 2013 #428

I'm sorry, but I would abstain and that would hurt because Elizabeth is great tavalon May 2013 #455

Better question: Bonobo May 2013 #460

I will ponder this statement and give it all the thought it deserves. Ask me again on Wednesday. graham4anything Jun 2013 #462

Rather cowardly. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #463

Nope. graham4anything Jun 2013 #464

I LOVE your new personae! Bonobo Jun 2013 #465

ok graham4anything Jun 2013 #467

"IMHO" bobduca Jun 2013 #466

Do you support Republicans being appointed to powerful positions in our government sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #468

Well look at Lincoln and LBJ- graham4anything Jun 2013 #472

That wasn't my question. It was a simply question actually, 'do you support Republicans in sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #473

Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Jorg Haider agree with me on NOTHING. graham4anything Jun 2013 #481

So you support Bush's wars, torture and the Drug War then? Well, now I understand sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #485

Ron Paul voted FOR Afghanastan. Ron Paul did NOT sign onto Kucinich's impeach Bush graham4anything Jun 2013 #487

Ah yes, Rahm... proudly trying to redefine the Democratic Party gtar100 May 2013 #439

I agree. Your post is completely meta and completely tavalon May 2013 #380

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #476

We're not dependent upon contributions like the Democratic Party. no_hypocrisy May 2013 #3

I don't think "we" do have the ability to disagree with one another, because you can't disagree with patrice May 2013 #247

Things like ... Eddie Haskell May 2013 #5

good ?s.Then we can ask, 'who would you suggest the Pres. noms. for the position?' Sunlei May 2013 #15

Anyone that didn't work for Bush. For example ... a democrat. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #26

And the only answer needed is 'not someone from the torture and invade crew' Bluenorthwest May 2013 #31

who do you suggest? (a name not just a political party) Sunlei May 2013 #59

Coleen Rowley Octafish May 2013 #70

who? I had to look her up and looks like bush/admin smashed her in 2006 Sunlei May 2013 #78

She's the FBI lawyer who wanted to prevent a hijacking before September 11, 2001. Octafish May 2013 #100

there were so few whistle blowers in those days, just didn't notice her. Sunlei May 2013 #123

She was a TIME Person of the year. mattclearing May 2013 #145

ask her to fill out Pres. Os app for white house apointments. or ask if she did. Sunlei May 2013 #152

I never suggested she be nominated for anything. mattclearing May 2013 #164

good thing I know enough to vote Dem and republicans are usually dangerous to the usa people :) Sunlei May 2013 #225

Republicans are dangerous to the usa and the world. That is why no one here would have sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #469

I wonder how many times Comey had to fill out that form before Dragonfli May 2013 #367

Have you checked your nether regions lately? tavalon May 2013 #385

How could you not have noticed her? She tried to stop 9/11 from happening. She was sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #471

I asked you to be clear, you seem to be supportive of nomination of Bushco regulars Bluenorthwest May 2013 #79

Gen. Powell also is one I really like.. and he is a personal friend of Pres.O Sunlei May 2013 #85

Sorry - Powell played a key role in the deception of Congress & the American people bullwinkle428 May 2013 #94

how many Generals or anyone stood up to Bush/Cheney WMD lie/set-up? Sunlei May 2013 #97

If I knew it was a lie then, why didn't Powell? HERVEPA May 2013 #130

you knew at the time? decades ago? and you don't know if there were serious questions asked then. Sunlei May 2013 #137

A McCain Powell ticket would have won nothing HERVEPA May 2013 #169

good thing McCain got "Palined" tm..that was the kiss of death along w Saturday Night Live Palin lol Sunlei May 2013 #228

There was a small minority of us who knew many things were lies after 9/11 tavalon May 2013 #388

Powell lied to the UN to get us into Bush's invasion of Iraq. He KNEW they were lying. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #470

I was at the DC protest in Oct. of 2003 ... 100,000+ of us knew. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #144

yes, Bush ignored millions of Americans at anti-war protests. Sunlei May 2013 #157

Quite a few, actually. ieoeja May 2013 #143

Powell's original claim to fame was covering up the My Lai massacre in Vietnam. Fuddnik May 2013 #160

even today the soil holds the agent orange and thousands of kids born w/ birth defects Sunlei May 2013 #231

Is this your oblique way of saying you now recognize that Powell tavalon May 2013 #389

Powell stood up, all right, he stood up in front of the UN tavalon May 2013 #387

So you support former Bushies. Now can you answer the question I asked, which is why Bluenorthwest May 2013 #110

because a trusted friend/associate of President Obama is a friend of mine. Sunlei May 2013 #126

When I asked you why you support Bushies for new offices, you should have just posted Bluenorthwest May 2013 #139

I don't call all republicans who were in office at the same time as bush 'bushies' Sunlei May 2013 #148

Well a Bush appointee is a Bushie, you can make up language to suit your shifing posts Bluenorthwest May 2013 #163

I like bushie and 'shrub', lol like that one. Sunlei May 2013 #253

You know nothing Sunlei Snow tavalon May 2013 #391

Rahm Emanuel should have cured you of that niavete tavalon May 2013 #390

And Sen Hilliary Clinton supported W's legislation that a lot of Republicans voted against ... marble falls May 2013 #136

You can't be serious.. SomethingFishy May 2013 #192

Well, Powell turned out to be a Bush Lackey, for which he may feel extreme tavalon May 2013 #386

Asking that we provide a specific name is absurd. It implies that there are no other rhett o rick May 2013 #308

Centralest & Liberals, Left of Center people. People with the welfare of common citizen more in mind RC May 2013 #39

He can't get ANY of his nominees confirmed. None of them. He went for liberal/progressive Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #42

Give me a break Eddie Haskell May 2013 #146

Sure... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #150

He called for us to show up at the polls in 2010. That didn't work out so well. So, in your own... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #223

Guilty as charged, but Obama had a mandate and wasted it. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #252

how so, you have examples of the big failures you notice? Sunlei May 2013 #254

Demoralized the party? And you're "The Party" now? You don't speak for me, and I've been a Dem.... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #256

I pled guilty to exaggerating ... They probably wouldn't all be men. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #273

Well, if Maureen Dowd says it's so, then it must be so. This isn't about people feeling "let down". Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #282

Your replies in this thread Summer Hathaway May 2013 #377

Then what? The same backward teapartiers in the same gerrymandered districts will keep appacom May 2013 #307

Your implication is that all the good candidates are Bush's friends. Would you care rhett o rick May 2013 #195

I didn't say they were bushes friends. I think President O appoints people he trusts. Sunlei May 2013 #245

Yeah, it's kind of sad tavalon May 2013 #392

Yeah, because liberal Democrats that we want will sail through the nomination process. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #33

Yes we can. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #149

Of course WE can. Not just HE can! Not a dictator. Just the president. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #151

He has to lead. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #162

Your opinion and I accept that. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #182

Dear Rosa Eddie Haskell May 2013 #178

Be careful. I am a black woman. You racism is showing. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #183

Nothing racist about it. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #184

Your post was offensive. You are now on IGNORE. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #187

I'm sure that will just crush the poster n/t dflprincess May 2013 #329

Frankly I don't give a shit. I have a right to use ignore. Don't like it. Tough!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #345

Has it been a bad day for you? tavalon May 2013 #396

A bad day because of jerks on a message board? Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #420

Well, actually, you've been the jerk tavalon May 2013 #458

A little dumb and actually a combination of tavalon May 2013 #395

Oh wait. The racism card comes out. Did you alert? I'd be curious what a jury would say. rhett o rick May 2013 #198

Sexism and racism. Why bring up another person of color at all? Not all black people Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #203

Good grief. I agreed that the suggestion of balls or lack of is sexist. Hello. rhett o rick May 2013 #208

The post was not sexist or racist. It was criticizing Obama for his seeming unwillingness to sabrina 1 May 2013 #349

I agree with you sabrina. It was definitely not racist. The poster was pointing out that Rosa Parks rhett o rick May 2013 #359

Only because he didn't spell out the sexist part tavalon May 2013 #397

Hey L_S, aren't you glad that we have so many white people here to tell us what is and is not racist Number23 May 2013 #452

This place is getting worse. Ridiculous!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #454

High heel shoes? tavalon May 2013 #393

Let me get this straight. He nominates conservatives because that's what will make rhett o rick May 2013 #196

Might be both, but the bottom line is that he can't get any of his nominees through. Do you have a Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #197

Yes. He should nominate who he thinks will do the best job. rhett o rick May 2013 #202

He has the right to pick whomever he wants. You're on IGNORE. Please leave me alone! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #205

Wow. rhett o rick May 2013 #209

Just for the record ... Eddie Haskell May 2013 #261

I think she was having a bad day. Best of luck to her, honestly. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #283

So you confabulated earlier when you said he was on ignore tavalon May 2013 #398

Yes, we can. In_The_Wind May 2013 #6

That says it all! Eddie Haskell May 2013 #147

Duers may love the kitteh stories more than the avg network producer HereSince1628 May 2013 #7

The Tea Party sure seems like it successfully dragged the Republican Party to the right. stillwaiting May 2013 #9

The Tea Party has no power on it's own. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #51

I agree with some of your post. stillwaiting May 2013 #56

I agree with your post with one addition: Le Taz Hot May 2013 #81

Extremely well said!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #101

Thank you. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #117

I think you have your finger on the pulse. kentuck May 2013 #120

Now that's a Le Taz Hot May 2013 #125

I know. kentuck May 2013 #131

One additional point, if I may: navarth May 2013 #161

It was the beginning of the end for Le Taz Hot May 2013 #168

'Don't get me started.' navarth May 2013 #185

3rd way types abandoned liberal principles noiretextatique May 2013 #186

Thank you tavalon May 2013 #400

agreed noiretextatique May 2013 #448

Please OP this tavalon May 2013 #399

BAM. derby378 May 2013 #451

republican teas..they are republicans, a group funded by koch like his john birch society. Sunlei May 2013 #72

What do you mean "dragged"? Scootaloo May 2013 #212

We are Roy Rolling May 2013 #10

You make a point that should be hammered: We are NOT the Democratic Party. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #44

There are many here that worship the idols of the Democratic Party. RC May 2013 #48

And some are gainfully employed LondonReign2 May 2013 #93

You notices too, huh? RC May 2013 #124

It is curious LondonReign2 May 2013 #177

And Roy Rolling takes it home for the win! tavalon May 2013 #401

False choice treestar May 2013 #11

Can we discuss it? kentuck May 2013 #12

META graham4anything May 2013 #27

" Go To The Mirror, boy" hobbit709 May 2013 #50

We can discuss it. ieoeja May 2013 #154

As a slight correction... you've overstated Holder's responsibility ConservativeDemocrat May 2013 #210

Nope, you're correct tavalon May 2013 #402

Real, liberal media sites, like DU, need to be preserved. watoos May 2013 #13

+1 NT ctsnowman May 2013 #191

Eric Holder is a Wall Street, corporate shill! He could have busted a lot of crooks in NY and Dustlawyer May 2013 #14

Forget the banks, RoccoR5955 May 2013 #17

It was not investigated b/c it would incriminate some of the same people that tell Obama what to do! Dustlawyer May 2013 #432

none of them, oil/mines clean up after themselves if they aren't exposed. Sunlei May 2013 #23

+1000 forestpath May 2013 #84

I like Mr. Holder, I think he's done a good job. I think it's the republicans who hate him. Sunlei May 2013 #16

oh, there are plenty of us democrats who don't like him. Medical marijuana patients and people who liberal_at_heart May 2013 #128

Republicans hate all Democrats including those that are taking the rhett o rick May 2013 #287

There are few politicians I can say I actually hate tavalon May 2013 #403

I defend the Obama administration . . . another_liberal May 2013 #18

I agree with you. But I do think that Obama has been the most liberal president we have had Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #47

At least since bu$h. RC May 2013 #54

I didn't say liberal. I said he's been the most liberal we have ever had. Since LBJ. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #61

Since Carter. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #91

Most of Obama's money came from small donors. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #103

Yeah, we get that. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #119

In order to compete, you expected him not to form PACs, not to have large donors? Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #127

He's capable of doing an outstanding job tavalon May 2013 #406

Did we even have a choice in 2008? RC May 2013 #113

I supported Dennis Kucinich. He now is a commentator for Faux News. Who knew? Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #116

Correct you are. tavalon May 2013 #407

On the contrary. another_liberal May 2013 #189

Yeah, Carter was quite a long time ago tavalon May 2013 #405

That's a very low bar to set for such a man tavalon May 2013 #404

Good post Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #19

Just because you can say something doesn't mean that it's right or you should. nt Pragdem May 2013 #20

And vice-versa... kentuck May 2013 #22

silence is consent frylock May 2013 #190

Not necessarily, because that depends upon what a person is DOING. patrice May 2013 #262

+++ marions ghost May 2013 #25

Yes, ProSense May 2013 #29

If A = B... then kentuck May 2013 #34

the first amendment is NOT absolute. There is no right to yell fire in a theatre not burning. graham4anything May 2013 #40

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #73

+3000 graham4anything May 2013 #35

The point of the First Amendment is that people get to speak for themselves, even you Bluenorthwest May 2013 #38

one cannot yell fire in a theatre or make terror jokes in an airport. It is NOT absolute. graham4anything May 2013 #41

Yes, which ProSense May 2013 #69

You're laughing at my opinion? kentuck May 2013 #74

Yes. ProSense May 2013 #80

Pro, you said the First Amendment is not about protecting those who criticize Holder Bluenorthwest May 2013 #99

Propaganda is Fox and the media. Defending Eric Holder is American & the first amendment. graham4anything May 2013 #108

Why do you watch FoxNews? Bluenorthwest May 2013 #122

Huh??? I don't watch Fox. Fox/NRA is against Holder. No one else should be. graham4anything May 2013 #132

It was you who introduced FoxNews as part of your routine here, you wrote as if you Bluenorthwest May 2013 #140

Those against Holder are regurgitating repudiated smears against Holder time and again. graham4anything May 2013 #142

No, I didn't ProSense May 2013 #121

+ zillion graham4anything May 2013 #133

What? That makes zero sense at all. You said what you said and you were wrong. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #138

Hey, ProSense May 2013 #159

i should fricken hope so dembotoz May 2013 #32

I don't understand what your complaint is. HappyMe May 2013 #36

Is this meant to be an ad hominem attack? kentuck May 2013 #43

Attack? HappyMe May 2013 #52

"I don't understand what your complaint is." kentuck May 2013 #55

I don't particularly care if people agree with me or not. HappyMe May 2013 #65

Well that's your opinion. kentuck May 2013 #67

Probably. HappyMe May 2013 #68

No, actually.... Bobbie Jo May 2013 #207

It wasn't "complaining"... kentuck May 2013 #213

I was referring to Bobbie Jo May 2013 #221

Yes. kentuck May 2013 #239

Innit? tavalon May 2013 #409

Actually I see this thread as a beautiful example of how DU tavalon May 2013 #408

I think, act, and speak on my own behalf. I don't need DU to do that for me. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #37

So does that gusto you express mean that when Obama and Holder opposed equality Bluenorthwest May 2013 #45

I think, speak, and act on my own behalf. The president supports marriage equality. He has directed Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #57

So basically what you are now saying is that you do not 100% agree with them and you Bluenorthwest May 2013 #76

No. I expect others to have their own opinions and accept that mine are different from theirs. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #109

If you really want people to just accept your opinion, then you must do the same for them Bluenorthwest May 2013 #175

How have I not accepted your opinion? I have stated TWICE that we agree to disagree. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #176

Very well said. n/t Laelth May 2013 #135

Your inaccuracy has to be addressed. You say DOMA is not enforced and that is false. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #107

1. How has the attorney general enforced DOMA? Do you have evidence of that? Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #111

I assume you are straight because you think DOMA is not being enforced. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #156

Correct tavalon May 2013 #411

Both you and Bluenorthwest are completely off base here, guys. ieoeja May 2013 #167

Thanks, but I don't believe anything Robert says. The fact that DOMA is before the court means Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #172

One more thing: DOMA is in the courts because a state SUED the federal government on the Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #174

Your characterizations of who I 'blame' are incorrect. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #179

K&R especially for all of the bullshit about how evil PO et al are. Dehumanization is PROPAGANDA. nt patrice May 2013 #266

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #58

+1zillionbillionmillion graham4anything May 2013 #53

Anyone that supports any political anything, 100% needs to step back and reanalyze things. RC May 2013 #63

I don't need to do anything but stay black and die! And I damn sure don't need advice from Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #64

Blind loyalty does no one any good. RC May 2013 #284

Not blind loyalty at all. I criticize the president when he should be. I praise him when he does Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #321

Then you are wasting your time here tavalon May 2013 #413

Not only do you make assumptions about me, you are very condescending. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #424

Ah, my goal achieved tavalon May 2013 #456

Blah, blah, blah... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #435

Then why are you here? RC May 2013 #431

I'm here because I want to be. I'm not here to force someone else to accept my opinions. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #434

+1zillionbillionmillion Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #257

You've made my point brilliantly!! Thank you so very much. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #425

Thank you. We have too much black and white thinking going on here tavalon May 2013 #412

So you're pretty impervious to facts and new ideas and new positions? tavalon May 2013 #410

I do this because its fun, not because I need Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #421

I'm supposed to be on ignore with you tavalon May 2013 #457

DU should maintain standards of kenichol May 2013 #46

The only way to advance the democratic party is to speak truth Coyotl May 2013 #49

Yes we need stand for truth and justice. We must also keep in mind what a mess things........ wandy May 2013 #60

"First they came for the Socialists.." kentuck May 2013 #66

Hopefuly a time will not come where we are forced to make the choice of........ wandy May 2013 #104

Around here it's "First they came for the Democrats..." and there's support for thinking so in patrice May 2013 #241

Why would it be underground if it was just party talking points? nt Live and Learn May 2013 #62

My two cents regarding the DOJ and the First Amendment......... TheDebbieDee May 2013 #71

Outstanding. H2O Man May 2013 #75

......... Hotler May 2013 #77

On second thought, LWolf May 2013 #87

YES!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #88

There are Democrats and then there fredamae May 2013 #89

I am amazed that anyone would view DU as a mere tool of the party. Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #90

Poll: ProSense May 2013 #95

I got banned a couple of times, one permanently, for my opinions railsback May 2013 #96

Yep, it can be a slippery slope. I have some real misgivings with the NEW RKP5637 May 2013 #106

Permanently banned ... Eddie Haskell May 2013 #155

Right In_The_Wind May 2013 #166

Well, it made sense when it was 2001, now it's just an entrenched name. tavalon May 2013 #414

No, obviously there is Bobbie Jo May 2013 #236

No, you can get permanently banned from certain topics railsback May 2013 #240

Understood. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #249

My fault for just assuming everyone knew that. railsback May 2013 #286

I didn't know that. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #278

Oh they CAN say everything we do Fearless May 2013 #105

DU is on the internet so I could say the moon is made of mustaches Drale May 2013 #112

luckily when I am filling out my ballot I don't give a damn what DU thinks. liberal_at_heart May 2013 #114

DempcraticParty Underground? Or DemocraticPrinciples Underground? MannyGoldstein May 2013 #115

+1 LondonReign2 May 2013 #199

My take on this site. MynameisBlarney May 2013 #129

Howard Dean Goes Off On ‘Thin-Skinned And Sanctimonious’ Press... ProSense May 2013 #141

I agree. That's why I always say I'm more part of the Underground than the Democratic johnlucas May 2013 #165

The DemocraticUnderground is awesome. It gives members the Autumn May 2013 #170

In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place. - Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #173

Thanks for the quote Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #206

Which is why I vote principles/issues rather than party/politician. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #218

I'm a Blue Collar Democrat.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #180

I would love the party to return to representing the working class Dragonfli May 2013 #371

Some group made a decision without us.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #442

I hope we always keep the Underground in DU harun May 2013 #188

what strikes me in particular is that we seem expected azurnoir May 2013 #200

It's also hypocritical... kentuck May 2013 #204

and it greatly weakens our arguments Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #211

+ an outright refusal to consider positive information and opinions, so that's what we do here, patrice May 2013 #234

Did you find anything positive or negative in the OP? kentuck May 2013 #244

I rec'ed your OP, because I feel like you are talking about both sides of the wars here at DU. patrice May 2013 #255

Uniformity is not possible nor desirable, so what is hypocritical to you can be another person's patrice May 2013 #259

To me, it is hypocritical whenever... kentuck May 2013 #272

Imagine the kind of president you'd like best dealing with these same issues in exactly the manner patrice May 2013 #285

I think you read a lot between the lines...? kentuck May 2013 #288

Well, maybe that's because people are doing "middle of the road" wrong, pretending, instead of actua patrice May 2013 #292

Can you explain this further? kentuck May 2013 #294

Not all opposition is about reforming Democrats, some of it is about destroying Democrats, so patrice May 2013 #299

Not confusing to me in the least tavalon May 2013 #415

Eric Holder is a fucking _______________________________! (fill in the blank) L0oniX May 2013 #214

I will take all of the above please. I would also like to buy the vowel U Dragonfli May 2013 #372

My serious question re what posters on DU cannot say... Corruption Inc May 2013 #215

Good question dreamnightwind May 2013 #233

Stickier still, why was support of Charlie Crist(R/I) allowed over Meek(D) in 2010? Dragonfli May 2013 #373

Yes, what's up with that? dreamnightwind May 2013 #374

IMO those that think I'm required to get on board with policies that I hate and have consistently Dragonfli May 2013 #378

I and others agree with you, but there are a signifigant number of DUers who don't and who want to AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #216

And there are some... kentuck May 2013 #219

Art V describes the process for amending the Constitution. It does not include adopting a statute AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #258

As we speak... kentuck May 2013 #269

+1000 heaven05 May 2013 #220

Being intellectually free enough to address both sides of anything means being able to demonstrate patrice May 2013 #226

What are you not allowed to say that you think you should? No one except the Admins can shut down.. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #227

Sadly agree. nt patrice May 2013 #232

You forgot "Naderite." Le Taz Hot May 2013 #238

I think "Green" covers those fools. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #242

Yep. kentuck May 2013 #280

Which one of those categories do you fit in? kentuck May 2013 #248

And I think you're full of crap. You've challenged the Admins, and sidestepped META in the process. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #264

Spot on. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #271

There's another alternative dreamnightwind May 2013 #332

Ugh. More liberal/libertarian hybrid claptrap. I'm a "loyal" Democrat. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #346

Wow, that was rude dreamnightwind May 2013 #362

Thank God I'm not responsible for your feelings. Come on back anytime now, ya hear? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #363

You place liberal with libertarian? tavalon May 2013 #416

Tell these folks..... Bobbie Jo May 2013 #441

Thanks Bobbie Jo. You didn't get a response. Perhaps the poster should click the link & define Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #444

Apparently Bobbie Jo May 2013 #445

I hadn't seen that thread. But it further confirms what I already knew! They've taken over! Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #446

I see you didn't respond to this? Why's that? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #443

I'll just go ahead and put some Glad Wrap on this thread so you can take it home with you. Number23 May 2013 #344

Yeah, you and whose army, Bozo? kentuck May 2013 #353

Asinine and bewildering as always. Number23 May 2013 #368

We know what some of this is about. Sadly, the teanutters didn't corner the market on "it". Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #355

I actually thought you were being exceptionally kind by calling them "educated." Number23 May 2013 #369

You & the many Democrats who gave up caring about DU. I figure it like this.... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #370

Hello!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #430

No kidding. Puglover May 2013 #265

He would really be pissed off if I posted something controversial, I guess. kentuck May 2013 #276

yes but Phlem May 2013 #311

Also Phlem May 2013 #315

The strength of any position is enhanced by authentic valid recognition of the POSITIVES of patrice May 2013 #230

I've learned that the Democratic Party welcomes participation from all ideological perspectives Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #237

I'm a socialist who caucuses with some, not all Democrats tavalon May 2013 #417

That's the beauty of the Democratic Party Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #422

Where do the site's owners stand on this? dreamnightwind May 2013 #243

The site owners are doing the very same thing so many hate Obama for, only they are doing it in the patrice May 2013 #267

Can you say that more clearly? dreamnightwind May 2013 #301

Honesty is preferable, so if Dem officials read this site, they will get a true picture of the alfredo May 2013 #246

Thank you for making these points. I TOTALLY agree with you. 99th_Monkey May 2013 #250

+1 dreamnightwind May 2013 #327

Emphatic agreement. Hold their feet to the fire, hold them to FDR values. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #260

Yes, but it's also true that listening means nothing if we can't WIN and I'm just not patrice May 2013 #275

Whatever Elizabeth Warren says. That's what I agree with. tclambert May 2013 #268

Right-Wing Media's Fake Narrative About Rosen Warrant Now Even More Incoherent ProSense May 2013 #274

Why did people get so angry with this post? kentuck May 2013 #281

You don't think people should be angry about the fact that DU is partisan against Democrats? patrice May 2013 #289

I can understand that some people may not like the direction the Party is going... kentuck May 2013 #291

Free speech would be speech that doesn't acquire a benefit of any kind. I don't think we see that patrice May 2013 #295

Huh? dreamnightwind May 2013 #303

..... kentuck May 2013 #324

yeah that's kind of mind boggling -- what you said should be about as controversial as praising Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #296

I was not trying to be controversial. kentuck May 2013 #297

i'm guessing it's a kind of paranoia - "You are either with us or you are with the Republicans!" Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #302

Exaggerate much? Bobbie Jo May 2013 #305

never... I tell you a million times - never Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #316

lol Bobbie Jo May 2013 #318

That's hilarious dreamnightwind May 2013 #333

I thought it a great post. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #313

Thank you Eddie! kentuck May 2013 #325

Naw, you just pointed out something tavalon May 2013 #418

Take it up with Admin. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #290

I guess I am disqualified after the first bullet point? kentuck May 2013 #293

I don't know.... Bobbie Jo May 2013 #306

Thanks for posting this "right-wingers in general are not welcome here." Corruption Inc May 2013 #314

Looking for a gotcha moment? Bobbie Jo May 2013 #317

No Phlem May 2013 #320

WTF Bobbie Jo May 2013 #330

ahh Phlem May 2013 #335

Except Bobbie Jo May 2013 #338

oooo Phlem May 2013 #343

Yeah Bobbie Jo May 2013 #351

yup Phlem May 2013 #354

...and I know people like you Bobbie Jo May 2013 #357

Shhh Phlem May 2013 #358

You make a good point. kentuck May 2013 #326

No he doesn't. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #328

Yes, he does. kentuck May 2013 #331

Then criticize the nomination, Bobbie Jo May 2013 #334

you will get no where with this one grasshopper. Phlem May 2013 #336

It's not many people who support these Republican nominations, it's just a small group who sabrina 1 May 2013 #342

Oh hell yes! Blue Owl May 2013 #300

the Democratic Party has their own spin doctors Enrique May 2013 #304

It would make more sense to be Progressive Underground. AAO May 2013 #310

Then we'd be the LUnies. Whatev n/t Flying Squirrel May 2013 #376

Yup. Might as well just be DU. AAO Jun 2013 #474

The OP, and post that followed summer-hazz May 2013 #319

Agreed. Need to defend Democratic Party zentrum May 2013 #323

PEOPLE ARE TOO AFRAID TO PROTEST .. AMERICAN ARE CHICKEN SHITES. NOT IN FRANCE !! YOHABLO May 2013 #339

"Hillary Clinton is not the best candidate for 2016" is the first thing that comes to mind..... PennsylvaniaMatt May 2013 #348

You can't be a Democrat unless you think Hillary Clinton is the best candidate for 2016?? kentuck May 2013 #356

In 2002 we were talking about things on DU BlancheSplanchnik May 2013 #360

I agree! Let's be able to discuss both sides... midnight May 2013 #361

As I understand it Summer Hathaway May 2013 #379

Best Post of 2013 so far. Plus a million. graham4anything May 2013 #394

I've been here for ten years tavalon May 2013 #419

Case in point: ProSense May 2013 #423

The best post in this thread!! Thank you so much! I am relieved that the "Democrats" on DU are not Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #427

So maybe you should consider finding a forum that is Puglover May 2013 #429

Not pained by "this place" at all. Again, I come here to enjoy fruitful discussion. TO DISCUSS... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #433

Well alrighty then. Puglover May 2013 #436

And you too... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #437

Well said Stalwart Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #496

Your understanding might be limited. LWolf May 2013 #438

I don't see Obama as a centrist but I guess it depends on your priorities. ucrdem May 2013 #440

If your priorities LWolf Jun 2013 #484

OK. You said in #438 "he's more of a neoliberal than HRC ever was," ucrdem Jun 2013 #486

You haven't seemed to divine LWolf Jun 2013 #488

We get it already. Now the problem with that graphic is this: ucrdem Jun 2013 #489

Simply search the site. LWolf Jun 2013 #490

What site? ucrdem Jun 2013 #491

Okay, found it, searched it, found it worthless, sorry. ucrdem Jun 2013 #492

Well, that explains that. LWolf Jun 2013 #494

It explains exactly that, yes. ucrdem Jun 2013 #495

My point exactly ... Summer Hathaway May 2013 #449

The Label-Maker gets so much work here he can now put his kids through college! Number23 May 2013 #453

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The place does not run itself. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #477

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #480

My perspective doesn't come from DU; LWolf Jun 2013 #482

Many of the responses to your OP prove your point... YoungDemCA May 2013 #447

The Father Knows Best wing vs the left has been around since the inception of DU. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #478

True adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #483