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kentuck

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291. I can understand that some people may not like the direction the Party is going...

Thu May 30, 2013, 05:31 PM

May 2013

But who gets defensive when you say there should be no restrictions on free speech? And why do they feel like their position is the only one that is pure? I think we should search for the facts and the truth. In regards to the Holder controversy with the NYTimes and the media in general, I will admit that I do not know all the facts. But I tend to lean to the protection of the First Amendment and I tend to be skeptical whenever any politician uses "national security" as an excuse for anything. I do know that a lot of "new rules" were created under the Bush Administration and the present Administration would not be setting any precedent if they eavesdropped on Americans, including journalists.

But what is wrong with stating that DU can say things that the Democratic Party cannot say?? Is that not true?

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The DemocraticUnderground can say things the Democratic Party cannot say. [View all] kentuck May 2013 OP

If all that bubbles up from the underground is an affirmation of party talking points... idiocracy Ed Suspicious May 2013 #1

Yes. nt LWolf May 2013 #21

Basic fallacy at work - There is no monolithic opinion on all issues within the party. leveymg May 2013 #98

Strawman... kentuck May 2013 #102

Explain the difference between "we should not veer too far from the Democratic Party talking points" leveymg May 2013 #134

"There is no monolithic opinion ..." but there are basic values and those basic values include patrice May 2013 #251

Overall, I think DU is a pretty diverse, tolerant place. leveymg May 2013 #312

Overall, I would agree with you. kentuck May 2013 #322

META. and I disagree with your post 100%. I myself back Eric Holder for SCOTUS. Wiki included here graham4anything May 2013 #2

I'm shocked, shocked that you of all people would say that. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #4

I'm not. Phlem May 2013 #224

Beat me to it. +1 & LOL. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #270

Lol! sabrina 1 May 2013 #337

there's no smear. and if you don't like criticisim of your idols, tough shit. cali May 2013 #8

This cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #24

and That ChairmanAgnostic May 2013 #28

And the other thing? cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #30

And this here one too! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #92

K&R!!! +++ 1,000,000 +++ and another +++ 1,000,000 +++ DU does RKP5637 May 2013 #86

Not happy Half-Century Man May 2013 #194

I think you need to scrub your brain with bleach Viking12 May 2013 #217

That's true...D Feinstein would look MUCH better in a mini skirt. nt clarice May 2013 #229

Wow.........I was trying to be funny Half-Century Man May 2013 #279

It was an attempted suicide then, I'm glad your computer lived Dragonfli May 2013 #364

lol. thanks nt clarice Jun 2013 #497

LOL! "I believe I'll try a good bit of alcohol poisoning later." RKP5637 May 2013 #235

I don't know about "should" but most assuredly it "is" tavalon May 2013 #381

Watch the language, please. It was uncalled for and definatelly way out of bounds.... marble falls May 2013 #118

"Watch the language,please." Puglover May 2013 #158

I fucking watch the language shit all the fuckass time. cali May 2013 #383

LOL you were the star of this thread Cali! Puglover May 2013 #426

Watch the language? RetroLounge May 2013 #347

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck May 2013 #352

Which language would you prefer? In all fairness most of us speak english and remain unharmed. Dragonfli May 2013 #365

+a brazillion! Puglover May 2013 #153

Oh cali, you so nailed it Autumn May 2013 #171

^^^^^^^^^ nt laundry_queen May 2013 #193

I think I love you +1000 CokeMachine May 2013 #222

Well said, AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #263

what about this Phlem May 2013 #298

I hate to add another post agreeing with you but I must. Dont let it go to your head. rhett o rick May 2013 #309

Lol! You said it cali .... sabrina 1 May 2013 #341

Eric Holder is a prissy timid mouse who sucks lemons and is afraid of his own shadow hootinholler May 2013 #82

Oh my, I loves me some hoot! suffragette May 2013 #340

Yes! And lets not forget all the Bankers he threw in jail. Zero. lob1 Jun 2013 #479

Yeah? Well I disagree with your post 1000% LondonReign2 May 2013 #83

"supportive of the Democratic Party..." choie May 2013 #181

"esteemed Eric Holder" LMFAO ...hey can I buy some of that LSD you're taking? L0oniX May 2013 #201

It's that rare shit you can only get from the CIA Dragonfli May 2013 #366

If we don't stand up for Dem Party principles tblue May 2013 #277

First, we need to have a clear message about what those principles are derby378 May 2013 #450

It's only hard because the tent is too big tblue May 2013 #459

That's not really a set of principles, though derby378 May 2013 #461

Right you are. The more sure of your outlook, the less you need to explain. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #493

"the esteemed Eric Holder" RetroLounge May 2013 #350

Duzy! tavalon May 2013 #382

Now where is that sarcasm tag....hmmm, not there. I was all set to get a good laugh out of that. gtar100 May 2013 #375

Yeah, that's like saying we have to support the sociopathic Rahm Emanuel tavalon May 2013 #384

come election season, why yes, you do. graham4anything May 2013 #428

I'm sorry, but I would abstain and that would hurt because Elizabeth is great tavalon May 2013 #455

Better question: Bonobo May 2013 #460

I will ponder this statement and give it all the thought it deserves. Ask me again on Wednesday. graham4anything Jun 2013 #462

Rather cowardly. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #463

Nope. graham4anything Jun 2013 #464

I LOVE your new personae! Bonobo Jun 2013 #465

ok graham4anything Jun 2013 #467

"IMHO" bobduca Jun 2013 #466

Do you support Republicans being appointed to powerful positions in our government sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #468

Well look at Lincoln and LBJ- graham4anything Jun 2013 #472

That wasn't my question. It was a simply question actually, 'do you support Republicans in sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #473

Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Jorg Haider agree with me on NOTHING. graham4anything Jun 2013 #481

So you support Bush's wars, torture and the Drug War then? Well, now I understand sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #485

Ron Paul voted FOR Afghanastan. Ron Paul did NOT sign onto Kucinich's impeach Bush graham4anything Jun 2013 #487

Ah yes, Rahm... proudly trying to redefine the Democratic Party gtar100 May 2013 #439

I agree. Your post is completely meta and completely tavalon May 2013 #380

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #476

We're not dependent upon contributions like the Democratic Party. no_hypocrisy May 2013 #3

I don't think "we" do have the ability to disagree with one another, because you can't disagree with patrice May 2013 #247

Things like ... Eddie Haskell May 2013 #5

good ?s.Then we can ask, 'who would you suggest the Pres. noms. for the position?' Sunlei May 2013 #15

Anyone that didn't work for Bush. For example ... a democrat. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #26

And the only answer needed is 'not someone from the torture and invade crew' Bluenorthwest May 2013 #31

who do you suggest? (a name not just a political party) Sunlei May 2013 #59

Coleen Rowley Octafish May 2013 #70

who? I had to look her up and looks like bush/admin smashed her in 2006 Sunlei May 2013 #78

She's the FBI lawyer who wanted to prevent a hijacking before September 11, 2001. Octafish May 2013 #100

there were so few whistle blowers in those days, just didn't notice her. Sunlei May 2013 #123

She was a TIME Person of the year. mattclearing May 2013 #145

ask her to fill out Pres. Os app for white house apointments. or ask if she did. Sunlei May 2013 #152

I never suggested she be nominated for anything. mattclearing May 2013 #164

good thing I know enough to vote Dem and republicans are usually dangerous to the usa people :) Sunlei May 2013 #225

Republicans are dangerous to the usa and the world. That is why no one here would have sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #469

I wonder how many times Comey had to fill out that form before Dragonfli May 2013 #367

Have you checked your nether regions lately? tavalon May 2013 #385

How could you not have noticed her? She tried to stop 9/11 from happening. She was sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #471

I asked you to be clear, you seem to be supportive of nomination of Bushco regulars Bluenorthwest May 2013 #79

Gen. Powell also is one I really like.. and he is a personal friend of Pres.O Sunlei May 2013 #85

Sorry - Powell played a key role in the deception of Congress & the American people bullwinkle428 May 2013 #94

how many Generals or anyone stood up to Bush/Cheney WMD lie/set-up? Sunlei May 2013 #97

If I knew it was a lie then, why didn't Powell? HERVEPA May 2013 #130

you knew at the time? decades ago? and you don't know if there were serious questions asked then. Sunlei May 2013 #137

A McCain Powell ticket would have won nothing HERVEPA May 2013 #169

good thing McCain got "Palined" tm..that was the kiss of death along w Saturday Night Live Palin lol Sunlei May 2013 #228

There was a small minority of us who knew many things were lies after 9/11 tavalon May 2013 #388

Powell lied to the UN to get us into Bush's invasion of Iraq. He KNEW they were lying. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #470

I was at the DC protest in Oct. of 2003 ... 100,000+ of us knew. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #144

yes, Bush ignored millions of Americans at anti-war protests. Sunlei May 2013 #157

Quite a few, actually. ieoeja May 2013 #143

Powell's original claim to fame was covering up the My Lai massacre in Vietnam. Fuddnik May 2013 #160

even today the soil holds the agent orange and thousands of kids born w/ birth defects Sunlei May 2013 #231

Is this your oblique way of saying you now recognize that Powell tavalon May 2013 #389

Powell stood up, all right, he stood up in front of the UN tavalon May 2013 #387

So you support former Bushies. Now can you answer the question I asked, which is why Bluenorthwest May 2013 #110

because a trusted friend/associate of President Obama is a friend of mine. Sunlei May 2013 #126

When I asked you why you support Bushies for new offices, you should have just posted Bluenorthwest May 2013 #139

I don't call all republicans who were in office at the same time as bush 'bushies' Sunlei May 2013 #148

Well a Bush appointee is a Bushie, you can make up language to suit your shifing posts Bluenorthwest May 2013 #163

I like bushie and 'shrub', lol like that one. Sunlei May 2013 #253

You know nothing Sunlei Snow tavalon May 2013 #391

Rahm Emanuel should have cured you of that niavete tavalon May 2013 #390

And Sen Hilliary Clinton supported W's legislation that a lot of Republicans voted against ... marble falls May 2013 #136

You can't be serious.. SomethingFishy May 2013 #192

Well, Powell turned out to be a Bush Lackey, for which he may feel extreme tavalon May 2013 #386

Asking that we provide a specific name is absurd. It implies that there are no other rhett o rick May 2013 #308

Centralest & Liberals, Left of Center people. People with the welfare of common citizen more in mind RC May 2013 #39

He can't get ANY of his nominees confirmed. None of them. He went for liberal/progressive Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #42

Give me a break Eddie Haskell May 2013 #146

Sure... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #150

He called for us to show up at the polls in 2010. That didn't work out so well. So, in your own... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #223

Guilty as charged, but Obama had a mandate and wasted it. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #252

how so, you have examples of the big failures you notice? Sunlei May 2013 #254

Demoralized the party? And you're "The Party" now? You don't speak for me, and I've been a Dem.... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #256

I pled guilty to exaggerating ... They probably wouldn't all be men. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #273

Well, if Maureen Dowd says it's so, then it must be so. This isn't about people feeling "let down". Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #282

Your replies in this thread Summer Hathaway May 2013 #377

Then what? The same backward teapartiers in the same gerrymandered districts will keep appacom May 2013 #307

Your implication is that all the good candidates are Bush's friends. Would you care rhett o rick May 2013 #195

I didn't say they were bushes friends. I think President O appoints people he trusts. Sunlei May 2013 #245

Yeah, it's kind of sad tavalon May 2013 #392

Yeah, because liberal Democrats that we want will sail through the nomination process. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #33

Yes we can. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #149

Of course WE can. Not just HE can! Not a dictator. Just the president. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #151

He has to lead. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #162

Your opinion and I accept that. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #182

Dear Rosa Eddie Haskell May 2013 #178

Be careful. I am a black woman. You racism is showing. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #183

Nothing racist about it. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #184

Your post was offensive. You are now on IGNORE. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #187

I'm sure that will just crush the poster n/t dflprincess May 2013 #329

Frankly I don't give a shit. I have a right to use ignore. Don't like it. Tough!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #345

Has it been a bad day for you? tavalon May 2013 #396

A bad day because of jerks on a message board? Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #420

Well, actually, you've been the jerk tavalon May 2013 #458

A little dumb and actually a combination of tavalon May 2013 #395

Oh wait. The racism card comes out. Did you alert? I'd be curious what a jury would say. rhett o rick May 2013 #198

Sexism and racism. Why bring up another person of color at all? Not all black people Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #203

Good grief. I agreed that the suggestion of balls or lack of is sexist. Hello. rhett o rick May 2013 #208

The post was not sexist or racist. It was criticizing Obama for his seeming unwillingness to sabrina 1 May 2013 #349

I agree with you sabrina. It was definitely not racist. The poster was pointing out that Rosa Parks rhett o rick May 2013 #359

Only because he didn't spell out the sexist part tavalon May 2013 #397

Hey L_S, aren't you glad that we have so many white people here to tell us what is and is not racist Number23 May 2013 #452

This place is getting worse. Ridiculous!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #454

High heel shoes? tavalon May 2013 #393

Let me get this straight. He nominates conservatives because that's what will make rhett o rick May 2013 #196

Might be both, but the bottom line is that he can't get any of his nominees through. Do you have a Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #197

Yes. He should nominate who he thinks will do the best job. rhett o rick May 2013 #202

He has the right to pick whomever he wants. You're on IGNORE. Please leave me alone! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #205

Wow. rhett o rick May 2013 #209

Just for the record ... Eddie Haskell May 2013 #261

I think she was having a bad day. Best of luck to her, honestly. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #283

So you confabulated earlier when you said he was on ignore tavalon May 2013 #398

Yes, we can. In_The_Wind May 2013 #6

That says it all! Eddie Haskell May 2013 #147

Duers may love the kitteh stories more than the avg network producer HereSince1628 May 2013 #7

The Tea Party sure seems like it successfully dragged the Republican Party to the right. stillwaiting May 2013 #9

The Tea Party has no power on it's own. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #51

I agree with some of your post. stillwaiting May 2013 #56

I agree with your post with one addition: Le Taz Hot May 2013 #81

Extremely well said!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #101

Thank you. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #117

I think you have your finger on the pulse. kentuck May 2013 #120

Now that's a Le Taz Hot May 2013 #125

I know. kentuck May 2013 #131

One additional point, if I may: navarth May 2013 #161

It was the beginning of the end for Le Taz Hot May 2013 #168

'Don't get me started.' navarth May 2013 #185

3rd way types abandoned liberal principles noiretextatique May 2013 #186

Thank you tavalon May 2013 #400

agreed noiretextatique May 2013 #448

Please OP this tavalon May 2013 #399

BAM. derby378 May 2013 #451

republican teas..they are republicans, a group funded by koch like his john birch society. Sunlei May 2013 #72

What do you mean "dragged"? Scootaloo May 2013 #212

We are Roy Rolling May 2013 #10

You make a point that should be hammered: We are NOT the Democratic Party. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #44

There are many here that worship the idols of the Democratic Party. RC May 2013 #48

And some are gainfully employed LondonReign2 May 2013 #93

You notices too, huh? RC May 2013 #124

It is curious LondonReign2 May 2013 #177

And Roy Rolling takes it home for the win! tavalon May 2013 #401

False choice treestar May 2013 #11

Can we discuss it? kentuck May 2013 #12

META graham4anything May 2013 #27

" Go To The Mirror, boy" hobbit709 May 2013 #50

We can discuss it. ieoeja May 2013 #154

As a slight correction... you've overstated Holder's responsibility ConservativeDemocrat May 2013 #210

Nope, you're correct tavalon May 2013 #402

Real, liberal media sites, like DU, need to be preserved. watoos May 2013 #13

+1 NT ctsnowman May 2013 #191

Eric Holder is a Wall Street, corporate shill! He could have busted a lot of crooks in NY and Dustlawyer May 2013 #14

Forget the banks, RoccoR5955 May 2013 #17

It was not investigated b/c it would incriminate some of the same people that tell Obama what to do! Dustlawyer May 2013 #432

none of them, oil/mines clean up after themselves if they aren't exposed. Sunlei May 2013 #23

+1000 forestpath May 2013 #84

I like Mr. Holder, I think he's done a good job. I think it's the republicans who hate him. Sunlei May 2013 #16

oh, there are plenty of us democrats who don't like him. Medical marijuana patients and people who liberal_at_heart May 2013 #128

Republicans hate all Democrats including those that are taking the rhett o rick May 2013 #287

There are few politicians I can say I actually hate tavalon May 2013 #403

I defend the Obama administration . . . another_liberal May 2013 #18

I agree with you. But I do think that Obama has been the most liberal president we have had Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #47

At least since bu$h. RC May 2013 #54

I didn't say liberal. I said he's been the most liberal we have ever had. Since LBJ. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #61

Since Carter. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #91

Most of Obama's money came from small donors. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #103

Yeah, we get that. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #119

In order to compete, you expected him not to form PACs, not to have large donors? Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #127

He's capable of doing an outstanding job tavalon May 2013 #406

Did we even have a choice in 2008? RC May 2013 #113

I supported Dennis Kucinich. He now is a commentator for Faux News. Who knew? Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #116

Correct you are. tavalon May 2013 #407

On the contrary. another_liberal May 2013 #189

Yeah, Carter was quite a long time ago tavalon May 2013 #405

That's a very low bar to set for such a man tavalon May 2013 #404

Good post Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #19

Just because you can say something doesn't mean that it's right or you should. nt Pragdem May 2013 #20

And vice-versa... kentuck May 2013 #22

silence is consent frylock May 2013 #190

Not necessarily, because that depends upon what a person is DOING. patrice May 2013 #262

+++ marions ghost May 2013 #25

Yes, ProSense May 2013 #29

If A = B... then kentuck May 2013 #34

the first amendment is NOT absolute. There is no right to yell fire in a theatre not burning. graham4anything May 2013 #40

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #73

+3000 graham4anything May 2013 #35

The point of the First Amendment is that people get to speak for themselves, even you Bluenorthwest May 2013 #38

one cannot yell fire in a theatre or make terror jokes in an airport. It is NOT absolute. graham4anything May 2013 #41

Yes, which ProSense May 2013 #69

You're laughing at my opinion? kentuck May 2013 #74

Yes. ProSense May 2013 #80

Pro, you said the First Amendment is not about protecting those who criticize Holder Bluenorthwest May 2013 #99

Propaganda is Fox and the media. Defending Eric Holder is American & the first amendment. graham4anything May 2013 #108

Why do you watch FoxNews? Bluenorthwest May 2013 #122

Huh??? I don't watch Fox. Fox/NRA is against Holder. No one else should be. graham4anything May 2013 #132

It was you who introduced FoxNews as part of your routine here, you wrote as if you Bluenorthwest May 2013 #140

Those against Holder are regurgitating repudiated smears against Holder time and again. graham4anything May 2013 #142

No, I didn't ProSense May 2013 #121

+ zillion graham4anything May 2013 #133

What? That makes zero sense at all. You said what you said and you were wrong. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #138

Hey, ProSense May 2013 #159

i should fricken hope so dembotoz May 2013 #32

I don't understand what your complaint is. HappyMe May 2013 #36

Is this meant to be an ad hominem attack? kentuck May 2013 #43

Attack? HappyMe May 2013 #52

"I don't understand what your complaint is." kentuck May 2013 #55

I don't particularly care if people agree with me or not. HappyMe May 2013 #65

Well that's your opinion. kentuck May 2013 #67

Probably. HappyMe May 2013 #68

No, actually.... Bobbie Jo May 2013 #207

It wasn't "complaining"... kentuck May 2013 #213

I was referring to Bobbie Jo May 2013 #221

Yes. kentuck May 2013 #239

Innit? tavalon May 2013 #409

Actually I see this thread as a beautiful example of how DU tavalon May 2013 #408

I think, act, and speak on my own behalf. I don't need DU to do that for me. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #37

So does that gusto you express mean that when Obama and Holder opposed equality Bluenorthwest May 2013 #45

I think, speak, and act on my own behalf. The president supports marriage equality. He has directed Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #57

So basically what you are now saying is that you do not 100% agree with them and you Bluenorthwest May 2013 #76

No. I expect others to have their own opinions and accept that mine are different from theirs. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #109

If you really want people to just accept your opinion, then you must do the same for them Bluenorthwest May 2013 #175

How have I not accepted your opinion? I have stated TWICE that we agree to disagree. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #176

Very well said. n/t Laelth May 2013 #135

Your inaccuracy has to be addressed. You say DOMA is not enforced and that is false. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #107

1. How has the attorney general enforced DOMA? Do you have evidence of that? Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #111

I assume you are straight because you think DOMA is not being enforced. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #156

Correct tavalon May 2013 #411

Both you and Bluenorthwest are completely off base here, guys. ieoeja May 2013 #167

Thanks, but I don't believe anything Robert says. The fact that DOMA is before the court means Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #172

One more thing: DOMA is in the courts because a state SUED the federal government on the Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #174

Your characterizations of who I 'blame' are incorrect. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #179

K&R especially for all of the bullshit about how evil PO et al are. Dehumanization is PROPAGANDA. nt patrice May 2013 #266

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #58

+1zillionbillionmillion graham4anything May 2013 #53

Anyone that supports any political anything, 100% needs to step back and reanalyze things. RC May 2013 #63

I don't need to do anything but stay black and die! And I damn sure don't need advice from Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #64

Blind loyalty does no one any good. RC May 2013 #284

Not blind loyalty at all. I criticize the president when he should be. I praise him when he does Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #321

Then you are wasting your time here tavalon May 2013 #413

Not only do you make assumptions about me, you are very condescending. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #424

Ah, my goal achieved tavalon May 2013 #456

Blah, blah, blah... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #435

Then why are you here? RC May 2013 #431

I'm here because I want to be. I'm not here to force someone else to accept my opinions. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #434

+1zillionbillionmillion Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #257

You've made my point brilliantly!! Thank you so very much. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #425

Thank you. We have too much black and white thinking going on here tavalon May 2013 #412

So you're pretty impervious to facts and new ideas and new positions? tavalon May 2013 #410

I do this because its fun, not because I need Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #421

I'm supposed to be on ignore with you tavalon May 2013 #457

DU should maintain standards of kenichol May 2013 #46

The only way to advance the democratic party is to speak truth Coyotl May 2013 #49

Yes we need stand for truth and justice. We must also keep in mind what a mess things........ wandy May 2013 #60

"First they came for the Socialists.." kentuck May 2013 #66

Hopefuly a time will not come where we are forced to make the choice of........ wandy May 2013 #104

Around here it's "First they came for the Democrats..." and there's support for thinking so in patrice May 2013 #241

Why would it be underground if it was just party talking points? nt Live and Learn May 2013 #62

My two cents regarding the DOJ and the First Amendment......... TheDebbieDee May 2013 #71

Outstanding. H2O Man May 2013 #75

......... Hotler May 2013 #77

On second thought, LWolf May 2013 #87

YES!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #88

There are Democrats and then there fredamae May 2013 #89

I am amazed that anyone would view DU as a mere tool of the party. Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #90

Poll: ProSense May 2013 #95

I got banned a couple of times, one permanently, for my opinions railsback May 2013 #96

Yep, it can be a slippery slope. I have some real misgivings with the NEW RKP5637 May 2013 #106

Permanently banned ... Eddie Haskell May 2013 #155

Right In_The_Wind May 2013 #166

Well, it made sense when it was 2001, now it's just an entrenched name. tavalon May 2013 #414

No, obviously there is Bobbie Jo May 2013 #236

No, you can get permanently banned from certain topics railsback May 2013 #240

Understood. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #249

My fault for just assuming everyone knew that. railsback May 2013 #286

I didn't know that. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #278

Oh they CAN say everything we do Fearless May 2013 #105

DU is on the internet so I could say the moon is made of mustaches Drale May 2013 #112

luckily when I am filling out my ballot I don't give a damn what DU thinks. liberal_at_heart May 2013 #114

DempcraticParty Underground? Or DemocraticPrinciples Underground? MannyGoldstein May 2013 #115

+1 LondonReign2 May 2013 #199

My take on this site. MynameisBlarney May 2013 #129

Howard Dean Goes Off On �Thin-Skinned And Sanctimonious� Press... ProSense May 2013 #141

I agree. That's why I always say I'm more part of the Underground than the Democratic johnlucas May 2013 #165

The DemocraticUnderground is awesome. It gives members the Autumn May 2013 #170

In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place. - Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #173

Thanks for the quote Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #206

Which is why I vote principles/issues rather than party/politician. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #218

I'm a Blue Collar Democrat.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #180

I would love the party to return to representing the working class Dragonfli May 2013 #371

Some group made a decision without us.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #442

I hope we always keep the Underground in DU harun May 2013 #188

what strikes me in particular is that we seem expected azurnoir May 2013 #200

It's also hypocritical... kentuck May 2013 #204

and it greatly weakens our arguments Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #211

+ an outright refusal to consider positive information and opinions, so that's what we do here, patrice May 2013 #234

Did you find anything positive or negative in the OP? kentuck May 2013 #244

I rec'ed your OP, because I feel like you are talking about both sides of the wars here at DU. patrice May 2013 #255

Uniformity is not possible nor desirable, so what is hypocritical to you can be another person's patrice May 2013 #259

To me, it is hypocritical whenever... kentuck May 2013 #272

Imagine the kind of president you'd like best dealing with these same issues in exactly the manner patrice May 2013 #285

I think you read a lot between the lines...? kentuck May 2013 #288

Well, maybe that's because people are doing "middle of the road" wrong, pretending, instead of actua patrice May 2013 #292

Can you explain this further? kentuck May 2013 #294

Not all opposition is about reforming Democrats, some of it is about destroying Democrats, so patrice May 2013 #299

Not confusing to me in the least tavalon May 2013 #415

Eric Holder is a fucking _______________________________! (fill in the blank) L0oniX May 2013 #214

I will take all of the above please. I would also like to buy the vowel U Dragonfli May 2013 #372

My serious question re what posters on DU cannot say... Corruption Inc May 2013 #215

Good question dreamnightwind May 2013 #233

Stickier still, why was support of Charlie Crist(R/I) allowed over Meek(D) in 2010? Dragonfli May 2013 #373

Yes, what's up with that? dreamnightwind May 2013 #374

IMO those that think I'm required to get on board with policies that I hate and have consistently Dragonfli May 2013 #378

I and others agree with you, but there are a signifigant number of DUers who don't and who want to AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #216

And there are some... kentuck May 2013 #219

Art V describes the process for amending the Constitution. It does not include adopting a statute AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #258

As we speak... kentuck May 2013 #269

+1000 heaven05 May 2013 #220

Being intellectually free enough to address both sides of anything means being able to demonstrate patrice May 2013 #226

What are you not allowed to say that you think you should? No one except the Admins can shut down.. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #227

Sadly agree. nt patrice May 2013 #232

You forgot "Naderite." Le Taz Hot May 2013 #238

I think "Green" covers those fools. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #242

Yep. kentuck May 2013 #280

Which one of those categories do you fit in? kentuck May 2013 #248

And I think you're full of crap. You've challenged the Admins, and sidestepped META in the process. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #264

Spot on. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #271

There's another alternative dreamnightwind May 2013 #332

Ugh. More liberal/libertarian hybrid claptrap. I'm a "loyal" Democrat. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #346

Wow, that was rude dreamnightwind May 2013 #362

Thank God I'm not responsible for your feelings. Come on back anytime now, ya hear? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #363

You place liberal with libertarian? tavalon May 2013 #416

Tell these folks..... Bobbie Jo May 2013 #441

Thanks Bobbie Jo. You didn't get a response. Perhaps the poster should click the link & define Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #444

Apparently Bobbie Jo May 2013 #445

I hadn't seen that thread. But it further confirms what I already knew! They've taken over! Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #446

I see you didn't respond to this? Why's that? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #443

I'll just go ahead and put some Glad Wrap on this thread so you can take it home with you. Number23 May 2013 #344

Yeah, you and whose army, Bozo? kentuck May 2013 #353

Asinine and bewildering as always. Number23 May 2013 #368

We know what some of this is about. Sadly, the teanutters didn't corner the market on "it". Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #355

I actually thought you were being exceptionally kind by calling them "educated." Number23 May 2013 #369

You & the many Democrats who gave up caring about DU. I figure it like this.... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #370

Hello!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #430

No kidding. Puglover May 2013 #265

He would really be pissed off if I posted something controversial, I guess. kentuck May 2013 #276

yes but Phlem May 2013 #311

Also Phlem May 2013 #315

The strength of any position is enhanced by authentic valid recognition of the POSITIVES of patrice May 2013 #230

I've learned that the Democratic Party welcomes participation from all ideological perspectives Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #237

I'm a socialist who caucuses with some, not all Democrats tavalon May 2013 #417

That's the beauty of the Democratic Party Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #422

Where do the site's owners stand on this? dreamnightwind May 2013 #243

The site owners are doing the very same thing so many hate Obama for, only they are doing it in the patrice May 2013 #267

Can you say that more clearly? dreamnightwind May 2013 #301

Honesty is preferable, so if Dem officials read this site, they will get a true picture of the alfredo May 2013 #246

Thank you for making these points. I TOTALLY agree with you. 99th_Monkey May 2013 #250

+1 dreamnightwind May 2013 #327

Emphatic agreement. Hold their feet to the fire, hold them to FDR values. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #260

Yes, but it's also true that listening means nothing if we can't WIN and I'm just not patrice May 2013 #275

Whatever Elizabeth Warren says. That's what I agree with. tclambert May 2013 #268

Right-Wing Media's Fake Narrative About Rosen Warrant Now Even More Incoherent ProSense May 2013 #274

Why did people get so angry with this post? kentuck May 2013 #281

You don't think people should be angry about the fact that DU is partisan against Democrats? patrice May 2013 #289

I can understand that some people may not like the direction the Party is going... kentuck May 2013 #291

Free speech would be speech that doesn't acquire a benefit of any kind. I don't think we see that patrice May 2013 #295

Huh? dreamnightwind May 2013 #303

..... kentuck May 2013 #324

yeah that's kind of mind boggling -- what you said should be about as controversial as praising Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #296

I was not trying to be controversial. kentuck May 2013 #297

i'm guessing it's a kind of paranoia - "You are either with us or you are with the Republicans!" Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #302

Exaggerate much? Bobbie Jo May 2013 #305

never... I tell you a million times - never Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #316

lol Bobbie Jo May 2013 #318

That's hilarious dreamnightwind May 2013 #333

I thought it a great post. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #313

Thank you Eddie! kentuck May 2013 #325

Naw, you just pointed out something tavalon May 2013 #418

Take it up with Admin. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #290

I guess I am disqualified after the first bullet point? kentuck May 2013 #293

I don't know.... Bobbie Jo May 2013 #306

Thanks for posting this "right-wingers in general are not welcome here." Corruption Inc May 2013 #314

Looking for a gotcha moment? Bobbie Jo May 2013 #317

No Phlem May 2013 #320

WTF Bobbie Jo May 2013 #330

ahh Phlem May 2013 #335

Except Bobbie Jo May 2013 #338

oooo Phlem May 2013 #343

Yeah Bobbie Jo May 2013 #351

yup Phlem May 2013 #354

...and I know people like you Bobbie Jo May 2013 #357

Shhh Phlem May 2013 #358

You make a good point. kentuck May 2013 #326

No he doesn't. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #328

Yes, he does. kentuck May 2013 #331

Then criticize the nomination, Bobbie Jo May 2013 #334

you will get no where with this one grasshopper. Phlem May 2013 #336

It's not many people who support these Republican nominations, it's just a small group who sabrina 1 May 2013 #342

Oh hell yes! Blue Owl May 2013 #300

the Democratic Party has their own spin doctors Enrique May 2013 #304

It would make more sense to be Progressive Underground. AAO May 2013 #310

Then we'd be the LUnies. Whatev n/t Flying Squirrel May 2013 #376

Yup. Might as well just be DU. AAO Jun 2013 #474

The OP, and post that followed summer-hazz May 2013 #319

Agreed. Need to defend Democratic Party zentrum May 2013 #323

PEOPLE ARE TOO AFRAID TO PROTEST .. AMERICAN ARE CHICKEN SHITES. NOT IN FRANCE !! YOHABLO May 2013 #339

"Hillary Clinton is not the best candidate for 2016" is the first thing that comes to mind..... PennsylvaniaMatt May 2013 #348

You can't be a Democrat unless you think Hillary Clinton is the best candidate for 2016?? kentuck May 2013 #356

In 2002 we were talking about things on DU BlancheSplanchnik May 2013 #360

I agree! Let's be able to discuss both sides... midnight May 2013 #361

As I understand it Summer Hathaway May 2013 #379

Best Post of 2013 so far. Plus a million. graham4anything May 2013 #394

I've been here for ten years tavalon May 2013 #419

Case in point: ProSense May 2013 #423

The best post in this thread!! Thank you so much! I am relieved that the "Democrats" on DU are not Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #427

So maybe you should consider finding a forum that is Puglover May 2013 #429

Not pained by "this place" at all. Again, I come here to enjoy fruitful discussion. TO DISCUSS... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #433

Well alrighty then. Puglover May 2013 #436

And you too... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #437

Well said Stalwart Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #496

Your understanding might be limited. LWolf May 2013 #438

I don't see Obama as a centrist but I guess it depends on your priorities. ucrdem May 2013 #440

If your priorities LWolf Jun 2013 #484

OK. You said in #438 "he's more of a neoliberal than HRC ever was," ucrdem Jun 2013 #486

You haven't seemed to divine LWolf Jun 2013 #488

We get it already. Now the problem with that graphic is this: ucrdem Jun 2013 #489

Simply search the site. LWolf Jun 2013 #490

What site? ucrdem Jun 2013 #491

Okay, found it, searched it, found it worthless, sorry. ucrdem Jun 2013 #492

Well, that explains that. LWolf Jun 2013 #494

It explains exactly that, yes. ucrdem Jun 2013 #495

My point exactly ... Summer Hathaway May 2013 #449

The Label-Maker gets so much work here he can now put his kids through college! Number23 May 2013 #453

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The place does not run itself. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #477

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #480

My perspective doesn't come from DU; LWolf Jun 2013 #482

Many of the responses to your OP prove your point... YoungDemCA May 2013 #447

The Father Knows Best wing vs the left has been around since the inception of DU. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #478

True adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #483