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In reply to the discussion: Breaking: Supreme Court OK’s taking DNA upon arrest [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)129. When you have your driver's license photo taken, you've given up your rights too.
They have computer programs that can compare your facial characteristics with those of suspects at crime scenes. Once your picture goes into the database, you don't have much if any control over how it might be used.
I know some states have rules about DNA, and I admit I have not read this ruling, but some states will take the DNA and then dump it, not store it, if the person is not found guilty of a crime.
Other states keep it and collect it. Also, the context must be a "valid arrest"--not a "round 'em up and grab that DNA" exercise.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/03/188291914/supreme-court-upholds-warrantless-collection-of-dna
"In light of the context of a valid arrest supported by probable cause respondent's expectations of privacy were not offended by the minor intrusion of a brief swab of his cheeks. By contrast, that same context of arrest gives rise to significant state interests in identifying respondent not only so that the proper name can be attached to his charges but also so that the criminal justice system can make informed decisions concerning pretrial custody. Upon these considerations the Court concludes that DNA identification of arrestees is a reasonable search that can be considered part of a routine booking procedure. When officers make an arrest supported by probable cause to hold for a serious offense and they bring the suspect to the station to be detained in custody, taking and analyzing a cheek swab of the arrestee's DNA is, like fingerprinting and photographing, a legitimate police booking procedure that is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment.
They liken it to 21st Century fingerprinting. People who are taken in and fingerprinted also get their fingerprints compared to see if, first, the person is who they say they are, and second, to find out if they've done something else.
And, by a narrow margin, this tactic has been found to be constitutional.
I really do appreciate your unease, but I don't think there's any unringing of this bell. This is part and parcel of a new way of approaching living in a larger society--there are cameras on streets everywhere, everytime we use our phone our locations are tracked, even new cars have "black boxes." I think privacy left by the side door a few decades ago, aided and abetted by generations who enjoy sharing the most mundane, yet personal, details about their lives on the successor to MySpace, Facebook, and Twitter. People willingly share so much about themselves that is personal, and really should be kept to themselves--but that willingness is changing the way that future generations approach the whole concept of "privacy."
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The DNA you leave in the trash is not necessarily personally identifiable...
truebrit71
Jun 2013
#48
When they have their eye on you, they have their eye on your drinking cup, or your
MADem
Jun 2013
#86
..and we all know that the cops never "accidentally" arrest the wrong person, right?
truebrit71
Jun 2013
#92
They can arrest the wrong person, but they can't make the DNA match if it doesn't.
MADem
Jun 2013
#93
But they will still have had their DNA taken and entered into a database...
truebrit71
Jun 2013
#105
Well, no more of a problem than to those who have fingerprints on file, or driver's license
MADem
Jun 2013
#106
I have no issue with someone voluntarily offering their DNA as a way to prove innocence...
truebrit71
Jun 2013
#118
When you have your driver's license photo taken, you've given up your rights too.
MADem
Jun 2013
#129
i'm not sure i'm bother by dna vs. fingerprinting per se. it's the method of collecting
unblock
Jun 2013
#7
less problematic than blood draws, though still a risk of infection or allergic reaction
unblock
Jun 2013
#34
"It's not possible to detect the presence of a disease-causing gene using this method."
MADem
Jun 2013
#109
If your DNA matches what's 'found' at a bomb scene, say, you're potentially a person of interest.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#8
We can let the government take our DNA, but we can't license and tag guns like cars.
onehandle
Jun 2013
#9
Hold him down and swab his mouth! But don't check on his gun. We might get in trouble. nt
onehandle
Jun 2013
#22
I can't wait to read Scalia's Dissent. That should be good. Dissent begins on Page 33 of PDF.
dballance
Jun 2013
#143
Uh-oh, it's one of those opinions where you must side either with Scalia or Clarence Thomas.
Nye Bevan
Jun 2013
#27
Because events prove them right? You DO know that different checks preceded this type?
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#38
I've done the cheek swab thing to get on the bone marrow donor registry. I hated giving fingerprints
brewens
Jun 2013
#30
And you've been out protesting the collecting of fingerprints for the last few decades, right? (nt)
jeff47
Jun 2013
#54
Difference is - one is intrusive and removes something from your body
The Straight Story
Jun 2013
#59
Because fingerprints while personally identifiable are not useful for other info mining.
Fearless
Jun 2013
#174
I think this issue divides along Techie/Luddite lines.... I'm with the Luddites on this one!
reformist2
Jun 2013
#75
I suspect there will be a greater rush to get more people into the system based on DNA
Heidi
Jun 2013
#96
Justice Antonin Scalia wrote an angry dissent for himself and three liberal justices,
Agnosticsherbet
Jun 2013
#102
Well, folks... be sure not to leave your hairbrush on your work desk if you have enemies at work.
Zorra
Jun 2013
#110
It's called planting evidence in order to frame someone for a crime they did not commit.
Zorra
Jun 2013
#172
Why would they do that when there a hundred other easier (and faster) ways to
NYC Liberal
Jun 2013
#169