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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
11. This is the inescapable problem.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jun 2013

No one can self-police abuse of power. The entire idea is ridiculous, which is why it came from the Bush administration. They rationalized, quite obviously in bad faith, that national security gives the executive near-unlimited power, including the power to decide that even any questions about its own wrongdoing could be classified.

That's the core battle that's been going on since Bush. Does anyone get to see how the Executive is governing itself on issues of Executive power and Constitutional rights?

Bush said, "No." Now the administration is saying the same thing.

It is an issue, it's not something we have settled before, and this leak story, whatever it's worth as a description of the actual programs, has raised the question once again. Does the executive get to, not only conduct its business in secret, but also tell us we may not even ask its interpretation of what is legal and what is not?

And it looks like they may now tell us what they think is legal, because they want to refute the specifics in the story.

How they go about doing that will be another story.

ACLU: DOJ Tells Court It's Reconsidering Secrecy Surrounding Patriot Act's Spying Powers ProSense Jun 2013 #1
Exactly. Maybe the Greenwald / Guardian reporting pushed the administration DirkGently Jun 2013 #2
Please! For once, please be honest just this once. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #17
You are ProSense Jun 2013 #22
Someone is lying. We shall see who it is. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #24
Not lying, exactly. Arguing that he doesn't have to say. DirkGently Jun 2013 #30
Well we DirkGently Jun 2013 #41
I feel like asking her / them that too, sometimes. DirkGently Jun 2013 #45
if loyalists would spend more time focusing on the issue instead of the partisanship nashville_brook Jun 2013 #3
The bottom line is it's a real issue, and not a small one. DirkGently Jun 2013 #4
poo-flinging helps no one, AND it reveals how disingenuous/unprincipled the flingers are nashville_brook Jun 2013 #6
One would think now is the time to correct it. DirkGently Jun 2013 #7
Those same partisans made their own problems when they agreed with Obama that sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #25
Someone convinced him the cure would be too painful. DirkGently Jun 2013 #33
Beautifully said. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #44
k&r thanks for posting. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #5
They are using pretzel logic which they know will be easily dissected if they present their GoneFishin Jun 2013 #8
they've got a week of news cycles to address it... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #9
This is the inescapable problem. DirkGently Jun 2013 #11
This provides a possible explanation for why they are so vengeful against whistleblowers. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #13
Thank you. You explained it so beautifully. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #19
This is how the frog boils. DirkGently Jun 2013 #32
Secret opinions on public laws. What could possibly go wrong? neverforget Jun 2013 #10
Not exactly a sky high bar we're setting here. DirkGently Jun 2013 #14
The unwashed masses are too ignorant to understand it marshall Jun 2013 #12
Classify the crimes and there is no crime to speak of.... think Jun 2013 #15
Classic response of power to a challenge: DirkGently Jun 2013 #34
I missed that Cheney exploit. think Jun 2013 #36
Ahhh ... the memories of Cheney's view of Executive Power. DirkGently Jun 2013 #38
So basically Obama is doing something too "out there" for even his STAR CHAMBER to swallow kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #16
We don't know. Could be the lawbreaking began under Bush DirkGently Jun 2013 #29
Better watch it there, Dirk Gently. Janet truedelphi Jun 2013 #18
Brilliant! Might as well profit from the misery of others. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #20
That is the name of the game here in the USA. truedelphi Jun 2013 #21
Lol, that is capitalism at its finest! Congratulations on turning lemons into lemonade. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #26
Tending your own garden, eh? DirkGently Jun 2013 #27
Or we could sell "NSA-proof" e-mail software. DirkGently Jun 2013 #31
And if we do know it works - truedelphi Jun 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author DirkGently Jun 2013 #37
If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to worry about. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #23
Another failure to to refute the Bush Doctrine DirkGently Jun 2013 #28
Heh. woo me with science Jun 2013 #35
I remember all the photos that we saw as truedelphi Jun 2013 #40
+1 with a deep sigh nashville_brook Jun 2013 #46
Mr. Holder has been putting in a lot of overtime. Laelth Jun 2013 #42
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #43
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