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In reply to the discussion: Revealed: the top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)51. Were you
talking points have arrived!oh boy are they weak
they relied on court orders, warrants and have procedures in place?
not much of a mantra to chant oneself to sleep with...
they relied on court orders, warrants and have procedures in place?
not much of a mantra to chant oneself to sleep with...
...afraid to respond to me directly? You think those are "talking points"?
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The authors write that the documents "detail the circumstances in which data collected on U.S. persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the U.S., and reveals how U.S. call records are used to help remove U.S. citizens and residents from data collection."
"The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or e-mail information without warrants," Greenwald and Ball write.
The procedures governing collection of information on foreign targets "cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic U.S. communications," the Guardian says. It reported earlier this month that most data collection happens with approval of the FISA court under the Patriot Act.
The FISA court allows the NSA to keep data "that could potentially contain details of U.S. persons" for up to five years, and to retain and use "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications that contain "usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity," the Guardian writes.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/
The authors write that the documents "detail the circumstances in which data collected on U.S. persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the U.S., and reveals how U.S. call records are used to help remove U.S. citizens and residents from data collection."
"The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or e-mail information without warrants," Greenwald and Ball write.
The procedures governing collection of information on foreign targets "cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic U.S. communications," the Guardian says. It reported earlier this month that most data collection happens with approval of the FISA court under the Patriot Act.
The FISA court allows the NSA to keep data "that could potentially contain details of U.S. persons" for up to five years, and to retain and use "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications that contain "usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity," the Guardian writes.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/
Greenwald reports on procedures and then adds his potential for abuse claims. He isn't citing any abuse.
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Revealed: the top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant [View all]
Catherina
Jun 2013
OP
That depends on your interpretation of 3(b)(4), 5(2) and 6(b)(8) of the document.
Pholus
Jun 2013
#145
Every attorney who gives a shit about his or her ethical obligations to clients should
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#146
this is _it_ there is no escaping this now, this is willful misinterpretation of the intent
Monkie
Jun 2013
#12
And, I guess, some of the analysts work for Booz Allen which I hear is owned by the Carlyle
byeya
Jun 2013
#3
You nailed that part of it. We are paying for all of this and Bushco makes the profit n/t
Catherina
Jun 2013
#4
Or where John Edwards was going to meet his mistress, and Ellitiot Spitzer, and and and
Catherina
Jun 2013
#11
I've decided to look on the bright side. Soviet jokes *were* falling out of fashion.
Pholus
Jun 2013
#8
Only two hours? The CIA advisor probably said, "Let's wrap this up." That always works with a mummy.
randome
Jun 2013
#20
so you two doing the classic derailment or you actually going to say anything on topic?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#25
because 3 of the points make a circular argument, breaking the seeming intent of the law
Monkie
Jun 2013
#9
data/content from a US machine, im sorry, if you cant see this there just is no hope for you
Monkie
Jun 2013
#19
i never used the word bullshit, or called constitutional lawyers with harvard education a joke
Monkie
Jun 2013
#31
The domestic communication section in the doc states that inadvertent collections are
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#21
Well then the Guardian needs to produce some FBI docs to back up their claims of abuse.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#28
The Guardian doesn't seem to be in the business of producing anything concrete
railsback
Jun 2013
#40
With their painfully long walls of text to beat their average readers into agreement.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#46
i can relate to that, for me its not the personal attacks, its the casual racism and
Monkie
Jun 2013
#73
Have any Military Intel Lawyers arrived yet? They're all over twitter blowing a gasket
Catherina
Jun 2013
#68
we had/have a pretend lawyer here, not sure if they were intel or not, stupid yes
Monkie
Jun 2013
#72
the bbc is ignoring this too, so similar, but without advertising or captain crunch
Monkie
Jun 2013
#107
No kidding. If it wasn't a Guardian article, I'd suspect that the NSA purposely leaked those to
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#54
a day ago it was, we never target americans by accident to, oh well, we guess and go by a 51% chance
Monkie
Jun 2013
#92
This needs to be its own OP, imo. Very powerful stuff you've written here and it
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#152
Yeah, I saw it and am glad he made it an OP. Thanks for the heads-up! - nt
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#186
"heaviest users of PGP-encrypted email are lawyers handling confidential, privileged attorney-client
Catherina
Jun 2013
#117
"exceptionally grave damage" v "serious damage" if made public and means of collection
Catherina
Jun 2013
#93
If they're contacting overseas they're fair game, even if a reasonable suspicion.
Catherina
Jun 2013
#116
No, I am not a racist hater. I am a self-hating Black hater. Whatever the fuck that is
Catherina
Jun 2013
#129
You mean like the unravelling of OWS? Lol! When you make predictions like this I
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#161
no worries, and yes it was pretty harsh, but you arent being called a racist either?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#170
Inadvertently! Well, that covers a lot. It gives a perfect excuse to those who are caught
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#159
Not to worry, soon they won't have to hide anything anymore. With some on the 'left' now joining the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#174
Is "Inadvertantly" like "Collateral Damage"? "Unfortunate Civilan Deaths"? "Acts of God"?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#172