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In reply to the discussion: Dear mother of Gawd, I am tired of arguing with rocks [View all]Jake2413
(226 posts)67. Just because Congress passes a law
it doesn't make it Constitutional. It is still an illegal search.
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Some of the "rocks" are pros. They are probably paid for volume of posts. Ignore them if you
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#129
No, it's Constitutional because the Supreme Court said so almost 40 years ago
Recursion
Jun 2013
#17
The ruling is clear that the dialing of numbers doesn't have a Constitutional expectation of privacy
Recursion
Jun 2013
#24
We're not stuck with any law. It is up to the people to make it clear how they feel about anyone
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#53
Most of the people arguing with you here are griefing trolls or paid shills.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#6
Yes, don't injure your beautiful minds by being subjected to opinions that differ from yours.
randome
Jun 2013
#14
There are cracks in the meme that "the NSA collection of data is only for catching terrorists".
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#134
Actually, I trust the NSA to not misuse that metadata far more than I do Verizon
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2013
#217
I know. Plus keeping the metadata in one place makes warrant searches much easier.
randome
Jun 2013
#227
Most folks think he was behind the coup in Honduras shortly after Obama was sworn in.
reusrename
Jun 2013
#247
LOL! Those babies will dish it out, but go squealing to work the refs when they get challenged.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#105
It is obvious to those 6 jurors they just do not understand how really benign all this secret spying
RC
Jun 2013
#172
Why is your email your own personal data? It's not even stored on your computer?
Coccydynia
Jun 2013
#12
Your link is about wiretaps. The NSA does not wiretap. The FBI does and with a warrant.
randome
Jun 2013
#95
I can't find anything older than United States v. Miller (1976) and Smith v. Maryland (1979).
randome
Jun 2013
#131
Gee, maybe you should read Apple's (as one example) disclosure of their iCloud privacy policies
spooky3
Jun 2013
#165
How to tell when you've won the argument: the other person resorts to distraction & irrelevancies.
spooky3
Jun 2013
#187
There's no evidence they are NOT spying on whoever the hell they damn well please.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#30
It's not about Snowden. It's about the track record of the US. We were spied on durring the 60's.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#96
Binney says "his view" and "ability". And he's been out of the NSA for some time.
randome
Jun 2013
#136
There you go, automatically assuming there is a 'total surveillance apparatus'.
randome
Jun 2013
#178
Tice talks to his sources in the NSA, do you doubt that he has them? n/t
Waiting For Everyman
Jun 2013
#205
I'm don't usually indulge unless someone's smarting off at another person - or at me.
IrishAyes
Jun 2013
#80
Good IT jobs, wonder how many ac/heater techs there will be? Those won't be bad either. n/t
jtuck004
Jun 2013
#59
Still pushing that meme. Then explain why if I stalk my neighbor's phone activity and collect and
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#107
I doubt that any amount of evidence will break you out of your denial bubble.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#216
The fact that you are so sure it's ridiculous that our government would spy on us
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#235
You left out a group that includes yourself. Group C that is determined to disparage Snowden and
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#241
Most of what you say are lies. You are making claims about him to suit your denial agenda. Put your
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#264
True, but the meta data is or rather was the private property of the phone company.
RC
Jun 2013
#174
That was Bush. Excluding Qwest from a government contract is about the least amount of 'pressure'.
randome
Jun 2013
#177
As said before, I don't usually indulge except to avoid saying something even worse
IrishAyes
Jun 2013
#138
But I read all wars are over and everybody has universal health care, LOL
Corruption Inc
Jun 2013
#26
But but but we don't want to wait for a mushroom cloud or a dirty bomb in a suit case.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#27
You claim that our government isnt spying because you are sure your Big Brother Authoritarian DAddy
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#88
Under the NDAA 2014, a new agency is being formed specifically to analyze data and metadata.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#32
i'm sure the definition of "terrorist" is as pliable as the definition of "collecting data"
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#69
you wrote "The "majority of Congress" doesn't even know what is going on."
Progressive dog
Jul 2013
#276
Congressional oversight is a joke. First of all, many in Congress support spying on the masses.
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#274
So you don't support democracy or our constitutional form of government
Progressive dog
Jul 2013
#275
"So you don't support democracy or our constitutional form of government" Really?
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#277
Since my aversion to RW media, I have to come here to find out what they've been up to.
IrishAyes
Jun 2013
#43
Just because your call may be handled by more than one service provider, does not change anything.
RC
Jun 2013
#193
Well said, thank you. You would think it would be a simple thing for people to figure out
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#52
Maybe we do, but that information is still private as far as the government is concerned, if it has
RC
Jun 2013
#194
"Then to store this data for future querying in criminal cases is fucking scary."
Progressive dog
Jun 2013
#71
There have been some court cases in the past.. that what the discussions were about.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#256
Appellate court decisions disagree with you, and since they are the experts on the Constitution...
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#101
Actually, the appellate courts are split on what constitutes "expectation of privacy,"
leveymg
Jun 2013
#103
The Courts already hold Foreign espionage/terrorism is an exception to the 4th amendment for electro
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#104
We are not talking about Foreign Intel, we are talking about Domestic Intel.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#108
No, it is your opinion that it is domestic intel. The intended purpose is National Security
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#109
Why is this so hard for you to understand? My Verizon calls from the US within the US
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#111
You can rephrase it as many ways as you want, it's still your opinion and neither of us has seen
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#113
You can reframe it as a protocol matter as many times as you want. It's still a matter of faith that
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#139
If you had said the same thing in 2007 - not one single person here would have disagreed with you
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#130
IOW... there are no boundaries in this or any other nation where one finds "yes-man"s...
MrMickeysMom
Jun 2013
#192
Keep in mind that governments that build surveillance infrastructures
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#242
"arguing with rocks"=accept my position because I'm not changing it.
great white snark
Jun 2013
#144
There is no "case law". The Rocks want to sweep this whole mess under the rug.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#147
You cant take out the position of "let's investigate more" too soon. Some here
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#208
The difference is choice. I can choose to give a corporation my information or not.
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#195
GREAT POST! But people here are clueless. If Obama does it it is OK. No questions asked! n-t
Logical
Jun 2013
#162
My dear bean, consider the possibility that you may be arguing with plants, as well as rocks. nt
Zorra
Jun 2013
#181
Dear Gawd, thank you for making boston bean so smart. Signed a very grateful mother.
midnight
Jun 2013
#185