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In reply to the discussion: So, the big lie Snowden told is an important one [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)303. What about profiling? Could an NSA sysadmin access email or online chat?
Seems like he could, with no further supervision until a targeting decision is made.
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Would you believe in certain situations information is shared between many nations, remember the
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#169
if you don't think other countries spy on friend and foe alike, then you'd be naive.
dionysus
Jul 2013
#225
But other countries don't send their Chief Executive out on around the world
truedelphi
Jul 2013
#228
RECURSION is missing a set of important steps and pieces here that make a mash of his theory
leveymg
Jul 2013
#296
Plus there is NO fib. Snowden discussed how he could act the way any person inside an
truedelphi
Jul 2013
#227
that's what you think? i think you're naive believing that some things are not hackable. eom
ellenfl
Jul 2013
#334
That helps put things into context better than my litany of unsupported claims by Snowden.
randome
Jun 2013
#2
He probably has pro bono work from people like Michael Ratner (speaking of rat!)
flamingdem
Jun 2013
#51
Glenn Greenwald of the CATO Institute has been suspended by the NY bar. He'll have to find someone
MADem
Jun 2013
#86
I would think that personal data is kept well away from the casual office employee.
randome
Jun 2013
#12
One More Thing - NDAA, Massive Illegal Surveillance, VRA, Wall Street, Rendition Guantanamo, War ...
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#236
No, ratfucking is when a rightwing operative attacks the left FROM the even further left.
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#126
The slide he leaked showed *4 levels of safeguards* to keep Americans from being spied on
Recursion
Jun 2013
#164
You should withdraw from all use of the internet to protect your information if you are so concerned
Kolesar
Jul 2013
#239
Yeah, I can always expect the stupidest, off topic distractions from "frylock" eom
Kolesar
Jul 2013
#341
Is this some kinda joke? He said he had that authority, the GOV says no he didn't
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#9
It's like that leaked document last week that showed the meticulous procedures the NSA employs.
randome
Jun 2013
#38
Please quit using Common Sense. According to Patriot Act subsection G14 Three 81,
truedelphi
Jun 2013
#19
Well, hell: it's "just policy" that keeps local police from kicking my door down
Recursion
Jul 2013
#300
The documents did NOT demonstrate his reach -- they contradicted what he was saying.
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#68
Because they're unable to. Greenwald hasn't given them the go ahead, but he's given....
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2013
#217
Great list. Make it more generic and I'd bet you'll be able to use it again and again and again...
rwsanders
Jun 2013
#64
Twisting the eagle's tailfeathers plays well domestically in a lot of countries
Recursion
Jun 2013
#39
Maybe we can eventually get the truth from his Chinese and Russian friends..
Vietnameravet
Jun 2013
#28
more officialdom speak & feel free to believe it, just don't act surprised that others have concerns
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#62
The massive, suspicionless spying is UNPRECEDENTED, and is why many folks object to it.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#77
lol - yeah, sure... we spied on the whole world back then, too... on all our Ataris, eh?
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#124
very good question, I even started a whole thread around that very question
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#100
Well, that appears to be caused by your mistaken belief that we spy only to catch terrorists.
jeff47
Jun 2013
#165
Espionage= leaking classified/sensitive documents that he stole to foreigners. How hard is that for
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#133
I know what espionage is. And there's that subtle shift in meaning, again...
truth2power
Jul 2013
#246
And insisting that Obama is a Nazi like the Snowden apologists & Greenwald fans do, is what exactly?
baldguy
Jul 2013
#323
Yes, that's what Snowden claimed. Unfortunately, the document he leaked today contradicts that. nt
jeff47
Jun 2013
#158
Du'ers and most of the EU "ratfucked"? LOL. We and they know better. Keep trying. eom
Purveyor
Jun 2013
#78
Of course the technology doesn't block it. Hell, local police are *capable* of tapping your phone
Recursion
Jun 2013
#160
Yeah, cable does a VOIP conversion and is encrypted (but law enforcement can get the keys)
Recursion
Jul 2013
#190
Good idea. He told you he had access to raw sigint. I don't know why you disregard that.
dkf
Jun 2013
#142
They said they instituted new procedures to prevent this, including a two man access system.
dkf
Jun 2013
#154
No, they instituted new procedures to protect the powerpoint slides that describe the system
Recursion
Jun 2013
#155
He could well have thousands of documents that describe this process (and others) in great detail
Recursion
Jul 2013
#195
Because of all the decorations the NSA would add to it if the claims were true.
jeff47
Jul 2013
#192
No this wouldn't have gone through the NSA but would be the raw sigint held at the FBI.
dkf
Jul 2013
#196
Again, he told you anyone from any of the services with his level of technical access could
dkf
Jul 2013
#281
If they mistreat him and his info gets released enmasse, I wouldn't be surprised to see that data.
dkf
Jul 2013
#301
On a side note, in all seriousness, I did not mean to offend you with that term
Recursion
Jul 2013
#184
Right. I mean, local police have a "policy" against not kicking down my door when they want
Recursion
Jul 2013
#264
Well, telling China which of their computers we've hacked didn't make anyone in the government happy
Recursion
Jul 2013
#200
My, my. You sound almost as upset as upset as the NSA and the politicians.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#267
Funny that our allies aren't sending us bouguets of thanks for our efforts.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#278
I guess the Europeans didn't get the script because they are outraged.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#292
So, the administration's outrage at Snowden is just a charade, because everybody knows we spy?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#295
Probably each other's governments and industries not every individual citizen.
TheKentuckian
Jul 2013
#312
Snowden has done more damage than good. I have never championed what he did. It smelled
mfcorey1
Jul 2013
#237
You DO know that FGP was piloting a spy plane, do you not? Ike finally owned up to it.
WinkyDink
Jul 2013
#250
Yep. I think Putin suspected a Limited Hangout operation from day one and snatched him...
Junkdrawer
Jul 2013
#252
You are basing your certainty that Snowden lied based on the fact that the PP slide doesnt show
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#286
I would think that even starting that 72 hour period requires a lot of sign-offs.
randome
Jul 2013
#307
Could it be, then, that Snowden was describing what he did during those 72 hours?
leveymg
Jul 2013
#308
We have had testimony from a couple of Senators that claim they were told that the NSA had
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#305
The analyst inputs his selectors into a tool, a form or template if you will.
reusrename
Jul 2013
#318
The voice and emails are seen immediately by the analysts, and the slide supports this.
reusrename
Jul 2013
#330