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grahampuba

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38. a few online chats..

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:34 PM

Jul 2013

have revealed quite a bit about the prejudices of those rallying against 'the angel'
a couple have started with the 'I'd stop and question someone looking suspicious in my neighborhood'

Id ask why donning a hood in light rain makes someone suspect and it turns to 'well, he was a new face', and I mention the fact that he was a guest in the community and had been there four times prior.. And twice now, that was news to the person I was interacting with. One admitted maybe he had heard that before and forgot it or chose to ignore it.

The fact that these few people I spoke with had condemned this boy to death without knowing crucial details to the event definitely revealed that there was a larger bias or prejudice at work, and the fact that this boy was shot unarmed was justified due to his choice as a black youth to pull up his hood in light rain.

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I'll never forget the look in their eyes, they were terrified of me... [View all] MrScorpio Jul 2013 OP

I don't think that is it... dkf Jul 2013 #1

If someone had a gun pointed at me gollygee Jul 2013 #4

But the prosecution isn't making that argument are they? dkf Jul 2013 #8

You said YOU didn't believe it was him screaming for that reason gollygee Jul 2013 #9

Like Nailing Jello To The Wall, Ma'am, This One.... The Magistrate Jul 2013 #13

No evidence TM was on the bottom. Can we go with the assumption TM yelling for help while on top? dkf Jul 2013 #20

The Person The Gun Points Towards, Ma'am, Is The Person In Fear.... The Magistrate Jul 2013 #26

He has to be lying about his injuries gollygee Jul 2013 #31

I heard GZ say his head was hit once on the concrete, then he was able to shimmy onto the grass. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #66

His legal team said it. He was hit about 12 times. Bashed in the head on the concrete. And he has Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #77

Then why were there no consistant injuries to Trayvons hands? 1monster Jul 2013 #95

I was asking a question: where/when did GZ say his head was hit on concrete 10-30 times? Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #134

Zimmerman Claimed Martin Struck Him In The Face 25-30 Times. DallasNE Jul 2013 #154

His story was different every time he told it. reusrename Jul 2013 #109

Well, I gather from the responses to my question that GZ did not say his head was bashed Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #135

The witness who says the Martin kid was on top did NOT see any blows strike anyone. reusrename Jul 2013 #137

He wasn't injured other than the fatal shot, of course. Injured as in a fight. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #138

The problem is, nothing you are clinging to makes sense. reusrename Jul 2013 #142

GZ Weighed 204, TM weighed 158. Yes, GZ Was 3 Inches Shorter. So, Who Is Smaller? n/t DallasNE Jul 2013 #155

the person with the gun gets out of his vehicle and pursues someone with no weapon yurbud Jul 2013 #141

Two Eye Witnesses Testified It Was Zimmerman On Top And DallasNE Jul 2013 #151

Which, of course, explains their belief that it was Z who was screaming and not Martin MrScorpio Jul 2013 #5

For me it's the injuries that explain the belief that Z was screaming. dkf Jul 2013 #12

I don't understand your logic gollygee Jul 2013 #14

Zimmerman Did Not Scream, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #15

I have no experience with being beaten so honestly I do not know. dkf Jul 2013 #22

Real Fights Are Surprisingly Quiet, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #25

Disagree. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #32

You Can Fight, Sir, Or Scream: Doing Both At Once Is The Nub The Magistrate Jul 2013 #33

I agree. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37

Just like real drownings are silent because pnwmom Jul 2013 #50

Go out for a jog and try to scream while you are running. You can't be exerting yourself Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #87

That's what you feel. Thank goodness trials are based on evidence and not feelings. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #67

That Is What Happened, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #68

What a condescending little post from a very little man, sir. Maybe some hormones... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #136

You Crippled Back After Twenty-Four Hours With That, Ma'am? The Magistrate Jul 2013 #140

No, The Magistrate got it absolutely right, this is all about guns for you. Ikonoklast Jul 2013 #160

You mean the lack of any DNA of Z's under Martin's fingernails or on his clothes or hands? One Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #81

Not Exactly DallasNE Jul 2013 #156

Except Z didn't suffer any life threatening injuries, just a few superficial ones from the struggle MrScorpio Jul 2013 #16

You are dealing with a bunch of jurors more like me than you...ie female. dkf Jul 2013 #23

Now really, who do you think initiated contact? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #24

My gut says I don't know. dkf Jul 2013 #49

"I don't know", is I guess, the safe answer MrScorpio Jul 2013 #55

That is actually the way to get 2nd... dkf Jul 2013 #59

Well, given what you've just said about Z's apparent malignant aggression... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #61

No. I think the words attributed to TM are suspect. dkf Jul 2013 #62

What about, "You're going to die tonight" Everyone says that when they are going into Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #89

Trayvon's hands, forensically, suggest to me that he never put up a serious fight AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #58

If TM was on top of Z, how could a gun shot enter the front of TM's chest? DhhD Jul 2013 #74

One Possibility DallasNE Jul 2013 #157

But that would put the lie to Zimmerman's claim of how the attack went. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #162

As a female, and a mother, I find Skidmore Jul 2013 #42

I am suspicious of those words too. dkf Jul 2013 #53

The moral of the Zimmerman story is that Skidmore Jul 2013 #56

Sucks to be him. This certainly isn't a lesson in building a good life. dkf Jul 2013 #60

He should have never called the cops in the first place and just gone about HIS own business MrScorpio Jul 2013 #63

Ding, ding, ding.... livvy Jul 2013 #75

I wasn't impressed with the jury pool -- shallow, lacking depth, from a gun culture. pacalo Jul 2013 #43

i'm a female and i find guys who follow like zimmerman creepy , i relate with Trayvon JI7 Jul 2013 #69

I'm a woman and they look superficial to me. If your kid came home with those cuts on Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #88

sorry but you don't speak for all of us females. To me the only fact that matters is that liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #158

If it had been Zimmerman screaming, he wouldn't have abruptly stopped after the shooting. pacalo Jul 2013 #36

Are you not following the trial? brush Jul 2013 #45

Having been in, perhaps, half a dozen kerfuffles in my life, Diego_Native 2012 Jul 2013 #47

You Have Crossed Over Into Self-Parody, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #7

"I can't get into the idea that the guy without injuries was the one screaming for help". notadmblnd Jul 2013 #29

But GZ did have injuries. Bloody seemingly broken or dislodged nose, bloody spot back of head. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #65

Zimmerman FlaGranny Jul 2013 #72

I didn't get into all that. I merely pointed out...GZ was injured, TM was not. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #139

The guy with the injuries was Trevon Martin. Namely a bullet through his heart. Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #76

You are absolutely right gollygee Jul 2013 #2

Thank You! I know exactly what you are talking about.. HipChick Jul 2013 #3

I grew up on the west side Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2013 #6

I think you are correct. From my travels around the country, there sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #10

I lived in Jamaica Plain my last 4 years in Boston Warpy Jul 2013 #11

"Make sure to lock your doors" is something I hear from bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #17

Humans find such comfort in ignorance olddots Jul 2013 #18

I will bring you to today, and no I am not proud of that ex neighbor nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #19

I've seen that fear. LWolf Jul 2013 #21

wow, that's quite an experience! dionysus Jul 2013 #107

I think your experience is quite common, and that is exactly why i think hedgehog Jul 2013 #27

Without the doubt... TRoN33 Jul 2013 #28

For another point of view, I worked in a nearby city with an African American gentleman who hedgehog Jul 2013 #30

Around the same time as that sideswiping incident, I rode my bike to Eastland Mall MrScorpio Jul 2013 #34

Good post malaise Jul 2013 #35

a few online chats.. grahampuba Jul 2013 #38

"..aren't ALL young Black males just itching to attack any unsuspecting White citizen(s)..." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #39

Clearly the media and societal and community portrayal of dark skins that does set up.... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #40

Having known a lot of racists over the years Nevernose Jul 2013 #41

That reference that I made to writing an future essay about Z... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #44

that isnt racism. its tribalism. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #51

Sounds kind of like a distinction without a difference, honestly. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #147

+1...n/t ms liberty Jul 2013 #71

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #73

Those people who nearly side-swiped you Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #46

It really shocked me to see that level of rudeness in Detroit by those people MrScorpio Jul 2013 #48

yes, it's fear in many cases. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #52

" dazzling array of young Black males of Detroit" Stuart G Jul 2013 #54

I can relate Marrah_G Jul 2013 #57

K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #64

k&r HappyMe Jul 2013 #70

Excellent post. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #78

Let's see.... Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #83

.. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #92

Frank: "I am not aware we had such a thing..." Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #105

And of course none of these guys would ever have the stones to say any of this nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #148

From Detroit, and Gratiot Avenue Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #79

I think this post is racist.... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #80

-1 Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #84

Are you trying to be provacative? etherealtruth Jul 2013 #90

I don't like racism... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #91

Bless your heart, you honestly have no idea, do you? etherealtruth Jul 2013 #93

Why do you hang out at CC? ... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #96

Oh you are just darling etherealtruth Jul 2013 #98

You'll have to provide a link to the �verbatim� post... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #100

The thing is about these guys... Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #103

Oh, I know etherealtruth Jul 2013 #106

+1 Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #108

If I had written my narrative in such a way, the way you just did, of course it would sound racist MrScorpio Jul 2013 #111

Why do you have to be so condescending? ... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #113

What you did was re-write it in such a way to fit your own unrealistic supposition MrScorpio Jul 2013 #115

I didn't rewrite anything. They were your words. TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #116

By changing what you did, you revised the entire tenor and implications of the narrative MrScorpio Jul 2013 #118

My revision... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #121

I was wondering how long it would take reverse-racism to show up. MrScorpio Jul 2013 #124

I'm not trying to diminish... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #126

Well, I don't feel the same way MrScorpio Jul 2013 #127

I just don't get where you're coming from at all. Sorry. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #149

I have no way of knowing how old you are ...? etherealtruth Jul 2013 #123

I'm 51 myself... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #125

We both know where we have been (and exactly what is being discussed) etherealtruth Jul 2013 #128

Since I've returned to Michigan, I've been living in Macomb County MrScorpio Jul 2013 #131

Me too etherealtruth Jul 2013 #132

The funny thing is that guy never gave me the opportunity to do such a thing... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #114

Thoughtful post to try and see the justifier's point of view, but bigbrother05 Jul 2013 #82

Mr. Scorpio: Question for you about the OP Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #85

I really wasn't angry MrScorpio Jul 2013 #117

Thank you. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #119

Your story was re-posted on ConservativeCave.com Courtesy Flush Jul 2013 #86

Gee. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #94

Yawn. nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #97

Like most racists they pretend white people do not treestar Jul 2013 #102

I really don't have any interest in the opinions of racist trolls MrScorpio Jul 2013 #120

Doesn't it drive you nuts that you can't talk common sense into people like that, Mr. Scorpio? MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #99

and to me that's ignorance gopiscrap Jul 2013 #101

I scare people. I'm white 6'0 185 lb bearded and don't smile much TrogL Jul 2013 #104

Hello Steviehh Jul 2013 #110

Thanks, Bro MrScorpio Jul 2013 #122

Fear, yes I raise my hands up to it. mwooldri Jul 2013 #112

If the OP is suggesting zeeland Jul 2013 #129

Given Zimmerman's history of aggressive behavior - domestic violence, assaulting a cop - nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #150

The fault is in their minds, their upbringing and their culture. NOT YOUR SKIN COLOUR! TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #130

Excellent points, all. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #133

Got Attitude? gussmith Jul 2013 #143

you forgot the part where his first reaction was to see if THEY were okay? of course you did. bettyellen Jul 2013 #144

A helpful piece of advice for you since you haven't been posting a lot MrScorpio Jul 2013 #145

great post heaven05 Jul 2013 #146

I just had a co-worker say to me hfojvt Jul 2013 #152

Well, at least they gave you the common courtesy of actually talking to you, did they not? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #153

I don't know about racist but GZ is creepy ass coward. For sure! Jasana Jul 2013 #159

I've thought about your post all weekend. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #161