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67. I don't understand

Reply to CatWoman (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 02:39 PM

Jul 2013

what are you trying to say hun?

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - AFTERNOON: Day 11, Tuesday, July 9, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

Putting PART 1 in titles, part 2 and editing the OP of the other with link to this one will help uppityperson Jul 2013 #1

Yes, I made an error in the way I posted. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #4

Whatever. Just thought it'd make things clearer. Nt uppityperson Jul 2013 #20

I do think that the PA can ask about the lack avebury Jul 2013 #2

He answered that customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #346

Thx! Zimmermans gun was on his butt cheek underneath his waste and shirt I find it hard to believe.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #3

I really hope that the PA who handled the avebury Jul 2013 #5

Is this him? Jim__ Jul 2013 #6

No. But this guy is off to a great start. NT avebury Jul 2013 #7

No, this is De la Ronda. nt. premium Jul 2013 #8

IMHO, all three prosecutors come off more likeable than the two defense attorneys. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #35

No question what so ever, all 3 PAs avebury Jul 2013 #38

PA comes out firing both barrels, good question. Why only the re-enactment?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #9

PA, gets more in...the ME didn't take in all other accounts uponit7771 Jul 2013 #10

Why wouldn't an ME want to know everything about avebury Jul 2013 #11

depends on the case. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #12

...and then confirms that he only testified to the reenactment...ok uponit7771 Jul 2013 #14

Nonsense, they brought Dr. DiMaio Lurks Often Jul 2013 #15

...but he went off the reenactment though...isn't that what he said? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #17

I don't believe so, I believe he is going by the Lurks Often Jul 2013 #29

no he went by the edited materials the attorney gave him- same as the animator did. bettyellen Jul 2013 #412

"Hired Guns" Lurks Often Jul 2013 #413

no, I'm very happy how he fell apart on cross. especially how he called some witnesses liars, LOL. bettyellen Jul 2013 #414

Guess we saw different testimony then. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #415

Witness not looking or sounding quite so confident now. nt avebury Jul 2013 #13

Prosecutors haven't refuted anything he's testified about yet. nt premium Jul 2013 #16

...other than the doc sayign he went off the reenacemnt only, if he was being objective he would've uponit7771 Jul 2013 #18

The Jury may perceive that his review of the case avebury Jul 2013 #19

"...I would say it..." to the question what if it were physically impossible to shoot TM uponit7771 Jul 2013 #21

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 7m BDLR so far emphasizing incompleteness avebury Jul 2013 #22

shouldn't the prosecution be talking about the injuries and different ways to get them besides HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #23

The prosecutor will get to that soon. nt. premium Jul 2013 #25

I agree. This expert witness testifies primarily in civil cases and not criminal cases. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #24

is the prosecution trying to say he was bought and paid for by asking how much he is getting paid HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #26

...no more than the PA's ME was bought and paid for via being nominated. Sounds like they both go uponit7771 Jul 2013 #27

Defense ME not looking good right now... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #28

on what points? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #30

being sure about Zimmmermans knuckles and bruises on them. He shoudl've been more concreate uponit7771 Jul 2013 #32

it sounds like that's what YOU wanted him to say... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #36

I'm pretty close...I'll add (mine) at end of statement uponit7771 Jul 2013 #44

...also, fire and rescue glasgow of 15 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #34

Is he implying that the EMT's are not avebury Jul 2013 #33

k&r Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #31

I haven't watched today. Can anybody tell me Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #37

are your credentials better than his? do you have any medical reasoning why he would be wrong? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #41

Because he's a witness for the defense, that seems to be the driving force here nt. premium Jul 2013 #46

If you answer my question, I'll answer yours n/t Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #49

I think you are seeing what you want to see. How do you know that an injury CANT look like that? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #52

I am asking a specific question Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #58

yes. I thought that when he said there were red areas like that it meant the person was hitting not HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #60

I don't know, I am not watching the trial today Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #65

I have been watching and the ME pretty much says you are wrong... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #70

You are talking about the specific area on his head that I am? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #77

umm yes. the same spot the ME talked about. In the trial you have not been watching.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #84

By hair follicles I mean visible ones with black hairs growing out of them Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #88

Im not sure what colocalize means? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #97

Colocalize = two things located in same place Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #100

so it has to be something besides being hit, right? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #103

I will always have an answer for something I think I have an answer to, yes Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #106

so what about the red bumps under the hair? what is that from? the redness is in a circle, HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #118

Prosector shows a picture of Zimmerman's bloody mouth Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #39

I saw that. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #367

BAMB!!...PA "...I put my hand over that what do you expect to have on my hand..." answer BLOOD! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #40

PA is on a roll... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #42

And yet, premium Jul 2013 #48

Doen't have to refute everything just lay another persepctive as the Defense has done multiple times uponit7771 Jul 2013 #50

Very true, but it would help if the state could refute premium Jul 2013 #55

They got him to say that he didn't look at all the stories Z said and now is saying he'd have to loo uponit7771 Jul 2013 #56

That's not refuting anything he testified to, premium Jul 2013 #59

...and they don't HAVE to refute just give different perspectives. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #66

As I said, that's true, premium Jul 2013 #71

The pathologist different perspectives he gave during PA's questioning uponit7771 Jul 2013 #76

Of course naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #296

Observation by Bob Kealing: avebury Jul 2013 #43

PA is absolutely desparate friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #45

unnn, he's working the defense PA pretty good...got a couple of notable points from him on clothing uponit7771 Jul 2013 #47

I expected the PA to ask whethr Travon's shirt could have been twisted in the fight. Jim__ Jul 2013 #54

lol CatWoman Jul 2013 #51

class A insult there CatWoman friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #57

stay simple friend CatWoman Jul 2013 #61

this makes you look like a fool. n/t HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #63

let me guess CatWoman Jul 2013 #74

lets get back on topic. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #78

... CatWoman Jul 2013 #358

... Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #368

+1000 nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #378

lol CatWoman Jul 2013 #62

I don't understand friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #67

that they are better than you? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #75

"...because witness's are wrong all the time..." WTF?!?! This is the defenses ME!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #53

Bernie often looks spring loaded pintobean Jul 2013 #64

So basically if you're getting beat up to any level you can shoot someone because you don't know uponit7771 Jul 2013 #68

because a knife would have been better? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #72

Zimmerman would never have gotten out of his car with just a knife. Hoyt Jul 2013 #309

wasn't even going to bring it up, but you decided too... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #335

Of course, Zimmerman didn't die or collapse later that day due to his head wounds. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #69

+1, also Zimmerman had a bloody head in the pic soon before the cop came. They keep concentrating uponit7771 Jul 2013 #73

my thoughts exactly CatWoman Jul 2013 #79

You don't defend because of the wounds you have already taken. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #188

Good point customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #351

I am so sick of hearing this. Nine Jul 2013 #366

Because you who want to lynch Z claim that his wounds weren't serious enough for self-defense. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #370

Complete strawman. It has to do with ZIMMERMAN'S claims. (And "lynch"? Really?) Nine Jul 2013 #409

The question is customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #394

See my response above. Nine Jul 2013 #410

This witness's testimony is rather vacuous and, in the end, is... Spazito Jul 2013 #80

I don't know if it's his age, or what CatWoman Jul 2013 #83

Yes, he is definitely becoming more befuddled, not sure it is age so much though... Spazito Jul 2013 #87

On cross, I was getting the sense there was a lot he didn't know Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #369

I agree, he did seem to become uncomfortable at what he didn't know... Spazito Jul 2013 #372

wrong that hurts the cases 2nd degree charge ceonupe Jul 2013 #295

I disagree, his testimony didn't introduce reasonable doubt... Spazito Jul 2013 #300

Wasn't raining hard enough to wash blood from back of Zimmermans head that night uponit7771 Jul 2013 #81

Spot on! nt Ninga Jul 2013 #82

De Maio says Trayvon would not show bruises- so Zim could have beaten him up and we'd never know! bettyellen Jul 2013 #85

I don't understand CatWoman Jul 2013 #86

Once the blood stops flowing premium Jul 2013 #89

Good point uponit7771 Jul 2013 #92

yes CatWoman Jul 2013 #93

Can a dead person bruise? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #91

this Doc is going to regret repeating that pity saying. bettyellen Jul 2013 #96

bruises take time and blood pressure to develop- he very quickly lost blood pressure and bettyellen Jul 2013 #94

didn't think about that CatWoman Jul 2013 #99

I always wondered if they checked Trayvon's arms for bruises. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #105

he explained the only way to possibly see bruising damage was to cut in to the body- and they didn't bettyellen Jul 2013 #331

all his blood was flowing out of his heart, none left for bruising Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #371

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #121

And conversely, could have pummeled Zimmerman. JimDandy Jul 2013 #263

There's enough reasonable doubt about the state's case premium Jul 2013 #273

We'll see. Zimmerman's story has holes in it, JimDandy Jul 2013 #287

Zimmerman's not going to be on the stand customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #353

The prosecution's closing will freshen up JimDandy Jul 2013 #361

I'm guessing because it takes time for blood to pool in those areas Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #95

That's not spectulation, that's fact. premium Jul 2013 #102

the Doc said it himself. BDR- use better use it!! bettyellen Jul 2013 #113

Even an EMT-B knows this. nt. premium Jul 2013 #122

I dont think "could have" goes a long way in the court room HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #90

It's all Zimmerman has, forensically. bettyellen Jul 2013 #98

how so? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #101

his different stories are so unlikely- that "could be" is the best they can say about them. bettyellen Jul 2013 #111

But that doesn't prove anything, much less beyond reasonable doubt. dkf Jul 2013 #401

yes- it's going to rest on how much people can believe GZ's story- and they do not know his violent bettyellen Jul 2013 #402

But Z has the evidence of bruising and a broken nose. dkf Jul 2013 #403

TM could not bruise- as per Dr DiMaio- he died too quickly. Just as likely he had injuries as bad bettyellen Jul 2013 #405

DM said they could have cut deeper into tissue. dkf Jul 2013 #407

Exactly- for all we know Zimmeman beat Martin badly before murdering him! There's no way to prove he bettyellen Jul 2013 #411

And as technically "convincing" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #129

my father does everything left handed but he shoots right handed. feels more comfortable HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #133

you must be very proud CatWoman Jul 2013 #135

your concern is noted. Im just trying to say just because you are left of right handed HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #139

Weird, because all the lefties in my family JimDandy Jul 2013 #274

To the above poster's credit, my old man is the same way; Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #373

With billions of humans, I suppose there is the possiblity JimDandy Jul 2013 #381

How many shooters are in your family? N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #385

3 in mine and a slew of them on the "in-laws" side. JimDandy Jul 2013 #387

Do they shoot right or left? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #391

Hmm, I'll have to check on that. n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #393

is this all you do? attack the poster? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #140

My sister and wife ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #156

well true, it should have been talked about so it is known. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #159

I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #219

It was noted on the first day that Z writes left, shoots right. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #321

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #324

Not really, premium Jul 2013 #136

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #206

Exception, premium Jul 2013 #218

Lots of lefties shoot right handed naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #302

Is that so? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #305

I agree with you nt. naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #307

The jury is not ignorant of guns. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #376

First day of trial, established that Z writes left, shoots right. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #322

I noticed he asked at least one other witness the same question Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #374

Try and find a left-handed gun. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #383

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #425

City Manager up CatWoman Jul 2013 #104

I had the same thought when he took the stand nt bayareamike Jul 2013 #108

I don't understand what O'Mara is getting at in regards to the tape CatWoman Jul 2013 #110

What will be the point of his testimony? Why is he here? chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #109

To show that the method of releasing the tape to the family Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #114

Exactly customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #354

LOL CatWoman Jul 2013 #115

The Defence ME is so full of sh*t. avebury Jul 2013 #107

I agree they are full of shit, but... Matt_in_STL Jul 2013 #117

I think that, if Trayvon did everything that avebury Jul 2013 #128

Why under his fingernails? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #173

because according to GZ, TM grabbed his head and slammed it NatBurner Jul 2013 #185

But not necessarily under his fingernails. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #195

Good Point, very good point katmondoo Jul 2013 #134

WTF was that all about? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #112

you too? CatWoman Jul 2013 #119

It makes sense Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #123

It seems like the defense bayareamike Jul 2013 #127

I don't think so Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #131

That conflicts with the former police chief's testimony Lurks Often Jul 2013 #155

Might make that testimony more powerful Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #169

yeah CatWoman Jul 2013 #171

I'm guessing you mean the former police chief Lurks Often Jul 2013 #304

I expect O'Mara to find some way to make the point customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #355

Next witness wants to appear in a unique way. Did I hear that right? chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #116

It's George Zimmerman's best friend, Zeorge Gimmerman. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #120

lofl uponit7771 Jul 2013 #125

On The Cycle, they are saying the defense now wants to drop testimony about Trayvon's toxicology CatWoman Jul 2013 #126

ahahahahaaa hahaaahahahahh Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #379

Maybe Shellie Zimmerman? Spazito Jul 2013 #142

Looked like some local politics going on with the city manager... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #124

wasn't it the City Manager who forced the issue of letting the parents hear the tape? CatWoman Jul 2013 #132

so we can say that TM did hit Z, right? how else would he get those injuries on his face and head? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #130

Hit himself with his own gun, gun had Z's blood on it not TM's hands. Also wounds marks the next uponit7771 Jul 2013 #137

says you, ok. now I have your opinion. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #143

is that all you do CatWoman Jul 2013 #147

learned from you, didn't I? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #150

ironic, isn't it CatWoman Jul 2013 #168

maybe, I didn't really say anything bad about the poster like you did.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #174

yeah CatWoman Jul 2013 #311

hmm... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #338

knock it off you guys Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #380

thank you CatWoman Jul 2013 #144

He fell, he rolled on the ground, he bumped into one of bushes Trayvon jumped out from..... Ninga Jul 2013 #141

so many things could have happened, but TM hitting him couldnt. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #145

even if Trayvon did hit him CatWoman Jul 2013 #149

no, but it would give Z justification for what he did, no? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #153

no CatWoman Jul 2013 #157

If TM hit Z, would that not give Z the right to protect himself? or no? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #160

even if Z felt his life was in danger? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #167

No. Being hit doesn't justify killing a kid yardwork Jul 2013 #164

even if Z felt his life is in danger? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #166

We only have Z's word for that and he's a proven liar yardwork Jul 2013 #172

thats not what I asked. I asked if Z felt his life was in danger, is what he did justified? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #176

We only have Z's word that he thought his life was in danger. yardwork Jul 2013 #297

"There has to be a rational reason for the fear." Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #384

How do we know Z thought his life was in danger? He didn't take the stand. Avalux Jul 2013 #308

That Has To Meet A Standard Of Reasonable Belief, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #175

I would expect the defense to show that, right? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #178

What Does Not Exist, Sir, Cannot Be Shown.... The Magistrate Jul 2013 #191

Didnt the ME state that the injuries did in fact match up with the story? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #201

Insignificant Injuries, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #221

I think you're wrong. But we'll see how the jury decides. -nt Bonx Jul 2013 #266

we shall. n/t HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #271

how about.. saying "whoa brother, it's ok, I'm with the neighborhood watch" Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #382

I don't get it. You asked "how else" then insult anyone who answers. uppityperson Jul 2013 #268

because I can see they already feel Z is guilty and TM didn't do anything wrong. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #270

Ah, you only want echoes of your own belief. Thanks for clarifying. IF YOU DISAGREE DON'T ANSWER uppityperson Jul 2013 #278

Legal question: Zimmerman admits to shooting Trayvon. Jim__ Jul 2013 #138

The defense does have to present affirmative evidence supporting self-defense. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #146

Thanks. I wasn't sure. Jim__ Jul 2013 #151

+1 nt bayareamike Jul 2013 #152

He's been charged with second degree murder bayareamike Jul 2013 #148

which I have not seen yet... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #158

To be honest, nor have I. There is plenty of bayareamike Jul 2013 #162

I agree.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #163

I don't think he shot him to show what good friends they were! hedgehog Jul 2013 #306

It's my understanding that there are many interpretations of what Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #386

The prosecution is tasked with proving reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self defense. Avalux Jul 2013 #154

They need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not act in self defense nt bayareamike Jul 2013 #165

Yes - thank you. I was in a hurry! n/t Avalux Jul 2013 #170

Once the defense presents a prima facie case LittleBlue Jul 2013 #183

Can someone pleasea fill me in avebury Jul 2013 #161

The intent of the defense calling him, imo, was a pathetic attempt to taint Trayvon's mother's... Spazito Jul 2013 #177

I just watched that testimony on YouTube. Holy cats! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #320

I thought BDLR's "what would you expect to be there?" bayareamike Jul 2013 #179

WTF? On redirect, State let's West say TWICE that Good said he saw TM "striking" GZ!! Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #180

TM's arms were going in a downward movement, but he wasn't hitting Z, what exactly was he doing? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #182

...could be, if there was blood on TM's hands it would be believable uponit7771 Jul 2013 #184

oh right, TM was just pulling weeds then, right? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #190

Walking TF home from a convenience store run Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #323

how does this relate to TM and his arms moving in a downward motion? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #340

imagine this.. you are in a scuffle with somebody heavier and older Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #389

He might be heavier and older, but if I am taller and have longer arms... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #416

mmm uh huh ok Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #418

longer arms means easier to get from farther away. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #419

may I ask you for an honest favor? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #420

I will do whatever I please. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #421

ok but probably you aren't going to convert anyone's thinking. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #422

I do have a feeling heart, and It sucks that this happened. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #423

Do you believe Zimmerman's story in its entirety? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #424

No. He could have been struggling to madashelltoo Jul 2013 #187

he COULD have been, but we do know TM's arms were going downward and we know what HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #192

...or it could be z's arms going downward and sense TM stopped blleeding no bruises showed uponit7771 Jul 2013 #196

so now Z was on top???? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #204

Not from 25 to 30 blows. madashelltoo Jul 2013 #212

That isn't the way you keep a gun muzzle away from you. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #329

you don't know he hadn't pulled the gun! Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #390

Restraining somone doesn't involve rapid up & down arm movements. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #392

An emphatic "NO" if not "absofuckinglutely NO." Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #194

good point uponit7771 Jul 2013 #200

excellent points, to be honest CatWoman Jul 2013 #207

would you not try to hit the person to get the gun away from them? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #209

Hell to the fucking no Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #214

right, you are you and TM is TM. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #217

And since one of us is DEAD, I'm left with only my own supposition n/t Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #229

and apparently didn't do what you needed to get the gun away. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #238

True dat Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #239

But not for lack of trying without hitting? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #241

OK. Since you want to pursue this. Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #242

as the ME stated, you could strike someone with no bruising on your hand. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #245

So you are saying: there is no evidence, but there doesn't have to be Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #255

Can you hit a bloody face without getting blood on your hands? uppityperson Jul 2013 #276

so you knew TM personally? frylock Jul 2013 #251

never said that I did... don't know where you are getting that from?? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #252

you appear to speak with some authority on the matter.. frylock Jul 2013 #259

my whole point is that everyone is different. TM is TM, Duer 157099 is Duer 157099 HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #261

yep, and in this instance i agree with Duer 157099.. frylock Jul 2013 #282

thats fine, but what you would do MIGHT be different than what TM would do, no? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #293

or it MIGHT not, no? frylock Jul 2013 #294

would you not try to hit the person to get the gun away from them? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #210

If I am on top and see a gun I am trying to hit it out of their hand or even hit them to stop them HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #208

JFC, I'll say it again: NO Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #223

JFC! I WOULD DO ANYTHING I CAN TO GET THE GUN OUT OF HIS HANDS! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #231

So would I, but getting the muzzle to point in another direction would be my priority Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #237

If I had the gun hand pushed aside, I am pissed off enough to punch the fuck out of whoever did that HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #240

two different people who do different things.. frylock Jul 2013 #254

that exactly my point... not everyone is the same, so when someone says.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #257

In that scenario: Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #260

yes. I am fearful for my life. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #267

IMHO, It all boils down to CatWoman Jul 2013 #284

Absolutely, Z should have stayed in the car. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #334

And well you should be Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #285

Let's try this. Is it ok for someone to do something different than you would do? 2nd question uppityperson Jul 2013 #281

Excellent point. That supports my belief that avebury Jul 2013 #243

I think Zimmerman had the gun already drawn as well CatWoman Jul 2013 #262

That is the only scenario that would make sense avebury Jul 2013 #269

I do as well, I think he had his gun drawn, came up behind Trayvon with the... Spazito Jul 2013 #279

he was probably trying to hold Zimmerman's arms so he couldn't point and shoot the gun. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #388

and possibly punch. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #417

I've got to stop following the live blog at wftv.com! displacedtexan Jul 2013 #181

Nobody's opinion matters except 6. Not even mine or yours. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #186

who is this woman CatWoman Jul 2013 #189

Apparently she lives nearby Shrek Jul 2013 #193

ah CatWoman Jul 2013 #197

Yes, a "broken nose" witness n/t Shrek Jul 2013 #199

What is going on with this woman in the hospital or in bed? senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #203

Neighbor, apparently sick at home Shrek Jul 2013 #211

I wonder if she'll say it was Zimmerman's scream Shrek Jul 2013 #216

She just did say she believed it was Zimmerman's voice on the tape. nt. premium Jul 2013 #234

So Zimmerman had a bloody nose almost immediately after the shooting. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #198

exactly CatWoman Jul 2013 #205

Well it goes to the self defense claim Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #220

There have already been pictures of the nose admitted into evidence. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #224

Nothing new Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #228

Oops. More evidence about the scream Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #233

"after I didn't see George" kpete Jul 2013 #202

oh get with the program CatWoman Jul 2013 #213

If she's black and a friend Shrek Jul 2013 #222

Yes but she doesn't claim friend status Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #225

I don't know about friend. She was asked if he was her friend and had trouble with chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #226

Interesting. This neighbor witness has seen Martin in the neighborhood before. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #215

caught that too kpete Jul 2013 #230

What are you saying?! madashelltoo Jul 2013 #264

Anyone see that hottie in the front row? Pennycat Jul 2013 #227

Deep conversation you are bringing to the table today, Adric. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #232

Yes I noticed that. I wonder if that affected the jurors' opinion of Di Maio. Jim__ Jul 2013 #236

Elliot Spitzer style Pennycat Jul 2013 #247

Weakest voice substantiation yet.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #235

...I think they needed some racial negation with her vs a credible witness... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #244

Never heard Martin's voice Shrek Jul 2013 #250

What's the relevance of this? Shrek Jul 2013 #246

how confident must the defense be if they are resting tomorrow? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #248

Pretty damn Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #283

manslaughter is on the table as well CatWoman Jul 2013 #298

Good (nt) Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #319

How was Trayvon, were one to believe Zimmerman's account (I don't) able to... Spazito Jul 2013 #249

I would say no, you don't HAVE to dig your nails into someones scalp in order to grasp it firmly. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #253

A wet, slippery, bloody, shaven scalp? Spazito Jul 2013 #256

Its really hard to say yes or no without being there. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #258

The conditions, as I stated above, are known.... Spazito Jul 2013 #265

You would not have to grab Z' head to hit it on the concrete. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #290

Would that not leave DNA on Trayvon Martin as well, using the heel of his hand, Spazito Jul 2013 #292

At the beginning of the trial, photographs of Zimmerman's head were korak Jul 2013 #314

Here is a photo of Zimmerman from the front... Spazito Jul 2013 #317

I am not a medical examiner. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #315

20 to 30 times against concrete would produce injuries far worse than Zim's KurtNYC Jul 2013 #286

Yep, totally agree n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #289

I don't think he ever said 20 to 30 times. I can't find a source for that. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #377

Did Dr. Bao refer to time of death as related to brain function.. nenagh Jul 2013 #272

no you aren't justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #277

thanks nenagh Jul 2013 #280

So I'm assuming they are now going to do more arguing over Zimmerman's cartoon? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #275

Mantai's a lawyer's lawyer. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #288

Mantai is going a great job. avebury Jul 2013 #310

No. Foundation. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #291

Are they showing the actual animation? JimDandy Jul 2013 #299

Yeah. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #301

Was the jury present for this cartoon? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #326

Did they get teleported? avebury Jul 2013 #303

I know this is serious, but I can't help chuckling over the judge Shrek Jul 2013 #312

Whoa, the defense is in big trouble re Good consulting with the defense after... Spazito Jul 2013 #313

If it is as big a deal as it sounds, the prosecution could move to strike his testimony. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #316

Yeah, I am wondering how the Judge is going to handle this one... Spazito Jul 2013 #318

What? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #327

During the hearing going on now re admissibility of the animation... Spazito Jul 2013 #328

Wow! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #330

They are currently arguing, State and defense, on why or why not the animation... Spazito Jul 2013 #332

WTF? How to you cross-examine a cartoon?? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #336

The whole hearing has been WTF? to me, lol... Spazito Jul 2013 #341

Before I left in June for vacay Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #347

Yep, if anyone is looking for bruises they will find them on my chin from... Spazito Jul 2013 #359

They seem to have just glossed over this issue stranger81 Jul 2013 #343

No, it is such a serious breach, it will be dealt with separate and apart from this hearing... Spazito Jul 2013 #345

Thank god. stranger81 Jul 2013 #397

LOL, last night was something else... Spazito Jul 2013 #400

The Youtube stream I was following didn't cover this Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #348

You're welcome! Spazito Jul 2013 #349

So how did right handed TM hit GZ on the left side of his face? Nevernose Jul 2013 #325

Nevernose = Woundednose? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #333

I hadn't really thought of it that way Nevernose Jul 2013 #337

I was joking, but you bring up a good point Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #339

Zimmerman's sat in that courtroom and hasn't said a word. Avalux Jul 2013 #342

LOL CatWoman Jul 2013 #344

Interesting that jury selection voir dire never addressed Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #350

Maybe they do and it hasn't concerned them in the slightest. Avalux Jul 2013 #352

Dollars to donutz they will insist on that Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #356

He knows he's got holes in his story customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #360

The only tithe defense really has going for it is credibility Nevernose Jul 2013 #364

He won't take the stand because there's no need Azathoth Jul 2013 #362

How could the Judge allow the stuff on Trayvon's avebury Jul 2013 #357

It sounds like she's not going to allow stuff on Trayvon's Lisa D Jul 2013 #363

What bothers me the most in this trial is this: Marrah_G Jul 2013 #365

That's the double edged sword of the 5th Amendment. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #375

The writers of the constitution JimDandy Jul 2013 #398

How many of the recordings would have been dismissed as hearsay if hedgehog Jul 2013 #427

It's going to hurt him- but testifying would have hurt him much worse.... bettyellen Jul 2013 #406

I can't recall who introduced the recordings - but I agree that once the defense hedgehog Jul 2013 #426

WTH is wrong with some of you people? Pennycat Jul 2013 #395

They're not scum for doing their jobs. stranger81 Jul 2013 #396

Welcome to DU. Only 2 days here JimDandy Jul 2013 #399

Umm..no. What the hell is wrong with you? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #404

Usually one waits a little while before lashing out at posters on a new board Marrah_G Jul 2013 #408