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In reply to the discussion: ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - AFTERNOON: Day 11, Tuesday, July 9, 2013 [View all]dkf
(37,305 posts)407. DM said they could have cut deeper into tissue.
The bruising wouldn't be at the surface because not enough time and blood pressure but could be lower.
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Putting PART 1 in titles, part 2 and editing the OP of the other with link to this one will help
uppityperson
Jul 2013
#1
Thx! Zimmermans gun was on his butt cheek underneath his waste and shirt I find it hard to believe..
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#3
IMHO, all three prosecutors come off more likeable than the two defense attorneys.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#35
no he went by the edited materials the attorney gave him- same as the animator did.
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#412
no, I'm very happy how he fell apart on cross. especially how he called some witnesses liars, LOL.
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#414
...other than the doc sayign he went off the reenacemnt only, if he was being objective he would've
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#18
"...I would say it..." to the question what if it were physically impossible to shoot TM
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#21
shouldn't the prosecution be talking about the injuries and different ways to get them besides
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#23
I agree. This expert witness testifies primarily in civil cases and not criminal cases.
avaistheone1
Jul 2013
#24
is the prosecution trying to say he was bought and paid for by asking how much he is getting paid
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#26
...no more than the PA's ME was bought and paid for via being nominated. Sounds like they both go
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#27
being sure about Zimmmermans knuckles and bruises on them. He shoudl've been more concreate
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#32
are your credentials better than his? do you have any medical reasoning why he would be wrong?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#41
Because he's a witness for the defense, that seems to be the driving force here nt.
premium
Jul 2013
#46
I think you are seeing what you want to see. How do you know that an injury CANT look like that?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#52
yes. I thought that when he said there were red areas like that it meant the person was hitting not
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#60
umm yes. the same spot the ME talked about. In the trial you have not been watching..
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#84
I will always have an answer for something I think I have an answer to, yes
Duer 157099
Jul 2013
#106
so what about the red bumps under the hair? what is that from? the redness is in a circle,
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#118
BAMB!!...PA "...I put my hand over that what do you expect to have on my hand..." answer BLOOD!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#40
Doen't have to refute everything just lay another persepctive as the Defense has done multiple times
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#50
They got him to say that he didn't look at all the stories Z said and now is saying he'd have to loo
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#56
unnn, he's working the defense PA pretty good...got a couple of notable points from him on clothing
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#47
I expected the PA to ask whethr Travon's shirt could have been twisted in the fight.
Jim__
Jul 2013
#54
"...because witness's are wrong all the time..." WTF?!?! This is the defenses ME!!!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#53
So basically if you're getting beat up to any level you can shoot someone because you don't know
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#68
Of course, Zimmerman didn't die or collapse later that day due to his head wounds.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#69
+1, also Zimmerman had a bloody head in the pic soon before the cop came. They keep concentrating
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#73
Because you who want to lynch Z claim that his wounds weren't serious enough for self-defense.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#370
Yes, he is definitely becoming more befuddled, not sure it is age so much though...
Spazito
Jul 2013
#87
Wasn't raining hard enough to wash blood from back of Zimmermans head that night
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#81
De Maio says Trayvon would not show bruises- so Zim could have beaten him up and we'd never know!
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#85
bruises take time and blood pressure to develop- he very quickly lost blood pressure and
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#94
he explained the only way to possibly see bruising damage was to cut in to the body- and they didn't
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#331
his different stories are so unlikely- that "could be" is the best they can say about them.
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#111
yes- it's going to rest on how much people can believe GZ's story- and they do not know his violent
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#402
TM could not bruise- as per Dr DiMaio- he died too quickly. Just as likely he had injuries as bad
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#405
Exactly- for all we know Zimmeman beat Martin badly before murdering him! There's no way to prove he
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#411
my father does everything left handed but he shoots right handed. feels more comfortable
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#133
your concern is noted. Im just trying to say just because you are left of right handed
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#139
On The Cycle, they are saying the defense now wants to drop testimony about Trayvon's toxicology
CatWoman
Jul 2013
#126
wasn't it the City Manager who forced the issue of letting the parents hear the tape?
CatWoman
Jul 2013
#132
so we can say that TM did hit Z, right? how else would he get those injuries on his face and head?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#130
Hit himself with his own gun, gun had Z's blood on it not TM's hands. Also wounds marks the next
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#137
maybe, I didn't really say anything bad about the poster like you did..
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#174
He fell, he rolled on the ground, he bumped into one of bushes Trayvon jumped out from.....
Ninga
Jul 2013
#141
If TM hit Z, would that not give Z the right to protect himself? or no?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#160
thats not what I asked. I asked if Z felt his life was in danger, is what he did justified?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#176
Didnt the ME state that the injuries did in fact match up with the story?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#201
how about.. saying "whoa brother, it's ok, I'm with the neighborhood watch"
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#382
because I can see they already feel Z is guilty and TM didn't do anything wrong.
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#270
Ah, you only want echoes of your own belief. Thanks for clarifying. IF YOU DISAGREE DON'T ANSWER
uppityperson
Jul 2013
#278
The defense does have to present affirmative evidence supporting self-defense.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#146
The prosecution is tasked with proving reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self defense.
Avalux
Jul 2013
#154
They need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not act in self defense nt
bayareamike
Jul 2013
#165
The intent of the defense calling him, imo, was a pathetic attempt to taint Trayvon's mother's...
Spazito
Jul 2013
#177
WTF? On redirect, State let's West say TWICE that Good said he saw TM "striking" GZ!!
Duer 157099
Jul 2013
#180
TM's arms were going in a downward movement, but he wasn't hitting Z, what exactly was he doing?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#182
He might be heavier and older, but if I am taller and have longer arms...
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#416
he COULD have been, but we do know TM's arms were going downward and we know what
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#192
...or it could be z's arms going downward and sense TM stopped blleeding no bruises showed
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#196
as the ME stated, you could strike someone with no bruising on your hand.
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#245
never said that I did... don't know where you are getting that from??
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#252
my whole point is that everyone is different. TM is TM, Duer 157099 is Duer 157099
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#261
thats fine, but what you would do MIGHT be different than what TM would do, no?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#293
If I am on top and see a gun I am trying to hit it out of their hand or even hit them to stop them
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#208
So would I, but getting the muzzle to point in another direction would be my priority
Duer 157099
Jul 2013
#237
If I had the gun hand pushed aside, I am pissed off enough to punch the fuck out of whoever did that
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#240
that exactly my point... not everyone is the same, so when someone says..
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#257
Let's try this. Is it ok for someone to do something different than you would do? 2nd question
uppityperson
Jul 2013
#281
I do as well, I think he had his gun drawn, came up behind Trayvon with the...
Spazito
Jul 2013
#279
he was probably trying to hold Zimmerman's arms so he couldn't point and shoot the gun.
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#388
I don't know about friend. She was asked if he was her friend and had trouble with
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#226
Interesting. This neighbor witness has seen Martin in the neighborhood before.
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#215
...I think they needed some racial negation with her vs a credible witness...
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#244
I would say no, you don't HAVE to dig your nails into someones scalp in order to grasp it firmly.
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#253
Would that not leave DNA on Trayvon Martin as well, using the heel of his hand,
Spazito
Jul 2013
#292
I don't think he ever said 20 to 30 times. I can't find a source for that.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2013
#377
So I'm assuming they are now going to do more arguing over Zimmerman's cartoon? nt
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#275
Whoa, the defense is in big trouble re Good consulting with the defense after...
Spazito
Jul 2013
#313
If it is as big a deal as it sounds, the prosecution could move to strike his testimony.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#316
They are currently arguing, State and defense, on why or why not the animation...
Spazito
Jul 2013
#332
No, it is such a serious breach, it will be dealt with separate and apart from this hearing...
Spazito
Jul 2013
#345
I can't recall who introduced the recordings - but I agree that once the defense
hedgehog
Jul 2013
#426
Usually one waits a little while before lashing out at posters on a new board
Marrah_G
Jul 2013
#408