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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
165. The double standard that is being used to judge President Obama is so
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:12 AM
Jul 2013

obvious that it is painful to have to describe it further detail:

FDR

Action: Executive order 9066

Actual victims: 100,000 who lost their property and freedom

(Also proposed 'packing of the court', a second attempt to undermine the Constitution but was not successful).

JFK and RFK

Action: Authorized the wiretapping of Dr. Martin Luther King

Actual victim: Dr. King's loss of privacy and the circulation of transcripts of private conversations.

President Obama

No unauthorized wiretapping.

Not a single US citizen has been identified who has been the subject of a search or arrest as a result of the NSA using meta data bases.


The fact that the President's record on civil rights is frequently compared to Bush's by people afflicted by the Obama Derangement Syndrome further shows this amazing double standard.

Unlike other Presidents this President has dramatically expanded coverage of civil rights to people residing in the US.

Prior to President Obama's administration ICE was used to conduct sweeps of undocumented workers who live here but violate no other laws and are simply hard working laborers.

Here is one example



http://revcom.us/a/104/ice-raids-en.html

In total 1,200 people have been detained in these massive raids, and at least 600 of those arrested have already been deported. ICE boasts that this is the largest operation they have conducted in the U.S. so far. Most of the arrests took place in Los Angeles—with many people also being picked up in Orange County, Riverside, San Bernardino, and Ventura County.

As word spread, shopping centers and neighborhoods that are usually full of life and activity became still. Teachers at ESL schools reported dramatically low attendance. A 19-year-old student from Guatemala told Revolution, “I spent six months in jail in San Antonio because I didn’t have papers when I was 16 years old. They deported me, but I risked it again and came back. Imagine what it feels like to know that you could be grabbed at any moment—I just want to send money to my family. I’m no criminal!”

People in the targeted neighborhoods said that many of the arrests have been made at dawn while people are getting ready to go to work or families are still asleep. Now, people don’t open the door to anyone or talk about the whereabouts of their neighbors to anyone they don’t know.

Maria, one of those targeted by ICE as a “fugitive alien,” came to the U.S. when she was 11 years old. She attended college for a while until she couldn’t afford it any more. She married a U.S. citizen and has an infant child. When ICE went into her home, she told them that she was still breastfeeding her baby. Maria told La Opinion, “They arrested me, they handcuffed me in front of my family as if I were a criminal.” In an unusual turn of events, the ICE did not take her into custody then but gave her a court date. Maria is now trying to get legal representation to change her legal status.



The interesting thing about these raids is that the uproar in blogosphere against these actual assault of liberties never reached the same level of outrage that simply entering a data base did.

Here is an accurate description of how those rights were abused before President Obama



http://www.ilrc.org/for-immigrants-para-inmigrantes/know-your-rights

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a part of the United States Department of Homeland Security, and runs a nationwide enforcement initiative to identify, arrest and remove undocumented immigrants with a prior order of removal, deportation or exclusion. During the course of their raids, ICE teams often encounter people without prior deportation orders and without criminal records. ICE has maintained its right to arrest and deport these people as well. But ICE agents are not just sweeping up noncitizens they encounter in the process of seeking “fugitive aliens.”

Furthermore, through tactics of intimidation, coercion, threats, and sometimes even force, ICE agents have violated people’s Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights and the rights of their families. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that it protects all people, which includes immigrants, from unreasonable searches and seizures (Fourth Amendment) and self-incrimination (Fifth Amendment).

In some of the more egregious cases, ICE officers have entered homes without warrants, even when warrants were requested; U.S. citizen children of undocumented parents have been held in custody; people have been threatened and coerced into signing away their rights and been immediately deported from the United States, leaving their families, including young children, behind; and detainees have not been provided with basic information regarding their rights or have had their very basic rights violated. As a result of these illegal practices, hardworking immigrants have been forced to depart from the United States, often leaving their U.S. citizen children behind.



Now ICE is used to track down actual criminals who are here illegally and we now see stories like this:



http://www.sbsun.com/traffic/ci_13979882

Camacho-Madrigal was found in San Bernardino County just seven months after he had been deported, according to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court. He had been convicted in Los Angeles County in December 1992 for the sex offense, and was sentenced to three years in prison.

The three-day immigration bust, which concluded late Thursday, targeted illegal aliens with criminal records and was the largest ever carried out by ICE.

ICE officials said more than 80 percent of the people arrested had prior convictions for serious or violent crimes, including rape, armed robbery and assault with a deadly weapon. Thirty are convicted sex offenders. At least 100 have already been removed from the country.



Last December I travelled with my soon to be son in law who is an undocumented refugee from El Salvador. We went through 3 border patrol checkpoints. He presented them with his temporary authorization card that the President has issued to hundreds of thousands of undocumented workers in the US and the Border Patrol Agent said "technically you are still here illegally and before you would have been picked up and sent back but under this administration you are protected" and waived us through.

But you talk of "excesses of the Obama administration".

Really?

Name one actual victim of the NSA mega data base who has

1) had his property seized
2) been detained
3) had his records, including phone conversations seized without a warrant.

The fact that the President has extended protection to millions that didn't get it before doesn't register on your meter at all.

Why is that?

Is it because those victims are brown and you are completely unaware of the realities of their life?
Seriously? NoOneMan Jul 2013 #1
And yours highlights the lost art of reading and comprehension. sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #4
lol..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #7
That would require I valued wading past the first few paragraphs NoOneMan Jul 2013 #8
Allergic to complexity and nuance? JaneyVee Jul 2013 #56
IOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #82
“lackey butt-kissing shit” pocoloco Jul 2013 #172
I ws prepared for a rant and then for a looooooong rant. Well done and worth the read. I think..... marble falls Jul 2013 #89
+ a million or 2..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #5
What? cyberswede Jul 2013 #6
"Had I but more time, I would have written less." NoOneMan Jul 2013 #10
Post like this remind me snooper2 Jul 2013 #11
Look - not all of us are "Hooked on Phonics" survivors Mopar151 Jul 2013 #13
Its a bit sarcastic... NoOneMan Jul 2013 #18
Quite the opposite. HappyMe Jul 2013 #15
I read it and it took about 10 minutes. phleshdef Jul 2013 #17
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Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #25
Haha NoOneMan Jul 2013 #26
With the right hand or the left? zeemike Jul 2013 #60
Mounted Fleshlight FTW. phleshdef Jul 2013 #62
So you can't really commit to one or the other. zeemike Jul 2013 #67
The inanimate object was asking for it. You could tell by the way it looked at me. phleshdef Jul 2013 #69
Well that would make a diference... zeemike Jul 2013 #74
Masturbate, Rub Face In Filth --- Interesting Set Of Options You Favor, Fella.... The Magistrate Jul 2013 #28
speaking for everyone? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #50
I had the opposite reaction. Why attack someone Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #72
Seriously? You think there aren't those still on DU who would Cha Jul 2013 #129
Reading is fundamental. That was a great read. MADem Jul 2013 #154
+1. I thoroughly enjoyed it. nt Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #203
Rec because it is a GREAT post. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #2
Indeed...eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #51
I agree. Blanks Jul 2013 #177
Well Done, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #3
You lost me here: GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #9
That's a shame ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #85
Good post...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #12
The opposite is also true here. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #14
If there are people who state that then it is wrong and counter productive, but grantcart Jul 2013 #21
Here is the counter list: Pholus Jul 2013 #135
Don't forget "authoritarian" and "jack booted thug"... MADem Jul 2013 #155
Two wrongs don't make a right--and ironically, you complain about their name calling you ("hater)-- Moonwalk Jul 2013 #35
Phony enthusiasm is like high school pep rallies. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #39
Once again, you prove the point, by trying to excuse YOUR condemnation.... Moonwalk Jul 2013 #128
A swing and a miss hobbit709 Jul 2013 #130
No miss at all if others get the message. Thank you for being such a good example. Moonwalk Jul 2013 #132
That's a natural and very old cognitive habit that is used by either/any side to OPPRESS. patrice Jul 2013 #96
There's an old saying IrishAyes Jul 2013 #195
This should resonate more than it will. great white snark Jul 2013 #16
I WILL FITE YOU for "lackey butt-kissing shit" #1 position. phleshdef Jul 2013 #19
Yeah, I'd be no where in the Cha Jul 2013 #131
It's a shame that the President has put his most ardent supporters into a position where ... dawg Jul 2013 #22
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #24
some of which are war crimes, un constitutional and crimes against humanity..very sad indeed..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #34
^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #36
^^^THIS^^^ = strawman...noted along with Paulian memes. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #40
That's all you've got? dawg Jul 2013 #42
Is more needed? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #65
I honestly don't think you even understand ... dawg Jul 2013 #70
Unfortunately, many of our conservative defenders of an authoritarian government ... bvar22 Jul 2013 #185
That's all any of them have. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #120
That was not pitchy at all, dawg!! bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #76
that's not support, it is OBSESSION Skittles Jul 2013 #143
Zactly.......nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #149
Yep. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #162
+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #181
Overload ...got a life ...I reserve book time for late night. L0oniX Jul 2013 #23
lol did someone force you by gun point to read the OP? grantcart Jul 2013 #30
bwahh haa haa haaa *gasp for air* haaahhaaa Sheepshank Jul 2013 #52
I thank people like that for the kick.... MADem Jul 2013 #156
I appreciate the friend who sent me a link to your OP IrishAyes Jul 2013 #196
Well done. bemildred Jul 2013 #27
Sorry but your OP is way too long to address each point. I do find it interesting rhett o rick Jul 2013 #29
I didn't complain about DU not hiding a thread grantcart Jul 2013 #33
We must fight apathy and complacency and be vigilant. It's not paranoia to recognize rhett o rick Jul 2013 #81
Kick & Recommend Pirate Smile Jul 2013 #31
What does it mean to be a "100% supporter of the President" ??? polichick Jul 2013 #32
I consider myself to be a FDR Democrat. grantcart Jul 2013 #41
I must've missed "the vitriol that is used to disparage the President"... polichick Jul 2013 #73
Great post. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #88
It's pretty obvious that 'shit' refers to behaviour, not a person muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #37
Obviously you find vitriol against the President and his supporters to be grantcart Jul 2013 #49
If they're fishing through everyone's records for patterns, then everyone's under surveillance muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #61
missed his point, I think bigtree Jul 2013 #58
"ask them what they believe or represent" - so why didn't he ask WillyT, instead of posting the OP? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #68
good example bigtree Jul 2013 #78
Thank you! Cha Jul 2013 #136
Lame attempt. No one.. much less bigtree is Cha Jul 2013 #137
Hey, count me in too! IrishAyes Jul 2013 #197
K&R. Well said. Bottom line: GOTV 2014. FSogol Jul 2013 #38
Second that motion nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #44
Absolutely n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #90
An excellent OP, grant! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #43
Kick! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #45
I'm seeing this issue in pretty much the same way as grantcart Jessy169 Jul 2013 #46
thank you! bookmarking to read later BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #47
Yes. Long time since I heard that one. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #198
nice thread, as usual bigtree Jul 2013 #48
Well, first of all, let me say this is very well put-together OP NuclearDem Jul 2013 #53
Wow...a complete list of excuses and rationalizations all in one place zeemike Jul 2013 #54
K & R MoreGOPoop Jul 2013 #55
Do you expect me to read books about your hurt feelings? xtraxritical Jul 2013 #57
Based on your nuanced and insightful response, no one expects you to read any books at all. Ever. 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author xtraxritical Jul 2013 #84
The lexicon and manners of those who wear Obama's name like a shield speak volumes Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #169
I can't imagine someone who objects to this OP being too long reading Dostoevsky or Tolstoy stevenleser Jul 2013 #194
Your incredible effort on the OP is appreciated - well done, and thought-provoking. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #59
I couldn't have said it better. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #125
If you can't catch a rodent any other way, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #199
Well done and worth the read Sheepshank Jul 2013 #63
K & R! Quite possibly the most sane and rational OP I've ever read on DU. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #64
This is the longest post at DU I have read all the way Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #66
Great OP ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #71
Not entirely. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #200
I want to start... Wait Wut Jul 2013 #75
A rather long thread to get the point across. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #77
Maybe you should have ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #92
I did read it. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #95
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #99
The other points were burrs on bushes that scratch your leg. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #107
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #110
Touche. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #201
Thanks for the authoritarian view. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #167
A couple of points and a question. cali Jul 2013 #80
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #94
I doubt cali read the whole thing the first time. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #98
I doubt more than a few ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #100
well written and seriously needed sigmasix Jul 2013 #83
Enthusiastic K&R!!!!! cliffordu Jul 2013 #86
Sanity has returned to DU with your post BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #87
Fascist propaganda against those with whom they disagree is prejudiced & over-simplified. You can patrice Jul 2013 #91
These same people Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #157
And we are known by our fruits. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #202
There is no such thing as an absolute right. Rights are relative; that's what makes them rights. patrice Jul 2013 #93
K/R CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #97
If you want to think of yourself as a lackey etc etc Rex Jul 2013 #101
You said, "No one is going to be persuaded by this thread." Ilsa Jul 2013 #102
Its just on this issue that for the most part opinions have crystallilzed grantcart Jul 2013 #105
Yes, a ton of assumption, conclusion jumping (me too), and petty personal attacks here BornLooser Jul 2013 #103
I wish I could rec a reply. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #109
Thanks BornLooser Jul 2013 #114
Thank you, grantcart -- you're my kind of "lackey butt-kissing shit"! VOX Jul 2013 #104
Excellent post! zappaman Jul 2013 #106
Reminded me of the requirement to report payments over $10,000 treestar Jul 2013 #108
An excellent post. Kick. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #111
Why are we assuming that everyone on either/any side of this is exactly what they patrice Jul 2013 #112
Thank you Grantcart felix_numinous Jul 2013 #113
An interesting manifesto. bvar22 Jul 2013 #115
Thanks for your reply grantcart Jul 2013 #118
Nobody here praises FDR for the Japanese Internment. bvar22 Jul 2013 #126
The double standard that is being used to judge President Obama is so grantcart Jul 2013 #165
Let me make it real simple for you. bvar22 Jul 2013 #187
You'd make a great spin doctor. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #205
My argument (that YOU avoid adressing in your Ad Hominen attack) is Basic Logic bvar22 Jul 2013 #206
Some people mistake a string of hot words as wisdom IrishAyes Jul 2013 #207
No ... No ... No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #192
An excellent example of MISSION CREEP Pholus Jul 2013 #161
Not too many years ago, I could drive Coast to Coast WITHOUT... bvar22 Jul 2013 #186
which court? oh, the roberts court. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #164
PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #150
I think you completely miss the point of the surveillance state. reusrename Jul 2013 #116
Yes! dougolat Jul 2013 #189
Simply Outstanding. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #117
Truly, some people are comfortable with their chains and the callouses they have grown galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #119
are you comfortable in your chains? Californeeway Jul 2013 #191
Concise and informative post from a long-timer. Spot-on analysis, sir. byronius Jul 2013 #121
Great post grantcart! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #122
Screw that noise! I don't even trust myself 100% Throd Jul 2013 #123
K&R!!!!!! Bravo and thank you! stevenleser Jul 2013 #124
Excellent post, grantcart. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #127
Man... Must Have Hit A Nerve... Thanks GrantCart !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #133
Of course, it was obvious who the OP was refering to.. Cha Jul 2013 #134
anyone who supports a politician 100% lacks credibility Skittles Jul 2013 #138
Agreeing with and supporting are two different things. grantcart Jul 2013 #142
Good that you aren't announcing that you're leaving. I would have given you my normal salute bluestate10 Jul 2013 #139
WOW! A long but GREAT post! jazzimov Jul 2013 #140
I can't believe that I missed you the first time. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #141
Wow - amazing post! Politicub Jul 2013 #144
I'M A HUGE FAN!!!!! Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #145
Flemish? Kurovski Jul 2013 #146
You didn't hit the link grantcart Jul 2013 #166
Kick for the night crowd cliffordu Jul 2013 #147
Well, it's settled then. n/t pa28 Jul 2013 #148
This forum is totally unworthy of such an intelligent FACTUAL post Number23 Jul 2013 #151
grantcart dropping a reasonable and clear headed post, as usual. joshcryer Jul 2013 #152
That was a lovely romp! Not only do I agree with your comments, I've said most of them as well, MADem Jul 2013 #153
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #158
We desperately need more threads like these in GD. Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #159
Beats the vitriolic ones for sure...and the ones that have One Cryptic Sentence as the subject line! MADem Jul 2013 #204
Great post. Bravo to my favorite LBKS. lamp_shade Jul 2013 #160
Whining about DU. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #163
If you think this is whining about DU then first please hit the alert button grantcart Jul 2013 #168
tldr East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #183
sis boom bah bobduca Jul 2013 #170
It is impossible to have substantive discussions with those who cannot grasp, Zorra Jul 2013 #171
I found your reply hilarious and I don't apologize if you think it is condescending grantcart Jul 2013 #173
"Good luck with that whole "going to change the world by posting copies of lyrics" thing." bobduca Jul 2013 #175
I would be happy if that became the new standard for civility. grantcart Jul 2013 #178
I'm sorry, but I believe you must have missed this part of my post: Zorra Jul 2013 #182
! Number23 Jul 2013 #190
Great post. Thank you! ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #174
Thanks, grant. I've dropped out of the NSA threads - too high strung, reactionary, toby jo Jul 2013 #176
I did read all of your post, and I am impressed Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #179
Lol excellent point. I don't think anyone was rising to the level of an epitaph. grantcart Jul 2013 #180
Good, I would hate to see you go away! Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #184
Here's a very public thank you. Autumn Jul 2013 #188
Kick nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #193
K'n'R ucrdem Jun 2014 #208
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