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In reply to the discussion: An alternative view from a “lackey butt-kissing shit” [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)165. The double standard that is being used to judge President Obama is so
obvious that it is painful to have to describe it further detail:
FDR
Action: Executive order 9066
Actual victims: 100,000 who lost their property and freedom
(Also proposed 'packing of the court', a second attempt to undermine the Constitution but was not successful).
JFK and RFK
Action: Authorized the wiretapping of Dr. Martin Luther King
Actual victim: Dr. King's loss of privacy and the circulation of transcripts of private conversations.
President Obama
No unauthorized wiretapping.
Not a single US citizen has been identified who has been the subject of a search or arrest as a result of the NSA using meta data bases.
The fact that the President's record on civil rights is frequently compared to Bush's by people afflicted by the Obama Derangement Syndrome further shows this amazing double standard.
Unlike other Presidents this President has dramatically expanded coverage of civil rights to people residing in the US.
Prior to President Obama's administration ICE was used to conduct sweeps of undocumented workers who live here but violate no other laws and are simply hard working laborers.
Here is one example
http://revcom.us/a/104/ice-raids-en.html
In total 1,200 people have been detained in these massive raids, and at least 600 of those arrested have already been deported. ICE boasts that this is the largest operation they have conducted in the U.S. so far. Most of the arrests took place in Los Angeleswith many people also being picked up in Orange County, Riverside, San Bernardino, and Ventura County.
As word spread, shopping centers and neighborhoods that are usually full of life and activity became still. Teachers at ESL schools reported dramatically low attendance. A 19-year-old student from Guatemala told Revolution, I spent six months in jail in San Antonio because I didnt have papers when I was 16 years old. They deported me, but I risked it again and came back. Imagine what it feels like to know that you could be grabbed at any momentI just want to send money to my family. Im no criminal!
People in the targeted neighborhoods said that many of the arrests have been made at dawn while people are getting ready to go to work or families are still asleep. Now, people dont open the door to anyone or talk about the whereabouts of their neighbors to anyone they dont know.
Maria, one of those targeted by ICE as a fugitive alien, came to the U.S. when she was 11 years old. She attended college for a while until she couldnt afford it any more. She married a U.S. citizen and has an infant child. When ICE went into her home, she told them that she was still breastfeeding her baby. Maria told La Opinion, They arrested me, they handcuffed me in front of my family as if I were a criminal. In an unusual turn of events, the ICE did not take her into custody then but gave her a court date. Maria is now trying to get legal representation to change her legal status.
The interesting thing about these raids is that the uproar in blogosphere against these actual assault of liberties never reached the same level of outrage that simply entering a data base did.
Here is an accurate description of how those rights were abused before President Obama
http://www.ilrc.org/for-immigrants-para-inmigrantes/know-your-rights
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a part of the United States Department of Homeland Security, and runs a nationwide enforcement initiative to identify, arrest and remove undocumented immigrants with a prior order of removal, deportation or exclusion. During the course of their raids, ICE teams often encounter people without prior deportation orders and without criminal records. ICE has maintained its right to arrest and deport these people as well. But ICE agents are not just sweeping up noncitizens they encounter in the process of seeking fugitive aliens.
Furthermore, through tactics of intimidation, coercion, threats, and sometimes even force, ICE agents have violated peoples Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights and the rights of their families. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that it protects all people, which includes immigrants, from unreasonable searches and seizures (Fourth Amendment) and self-incrimination (Fifth Amendment).
In some of the more egregious cases, ICE officers have entered homes without warrants, even when warrants were requested; U.S. citizen children of undocumented parents have been held in custody; people have been threatened and coerced into signing away their rights and been immediately deported from the United States, leaving their families, including young children, behind; and detainees have not been provided with basic information regarding their rights or have had their very basic rights violated. As a result of these illegal practices, hardworking immigrants have been forced to depart from the United States, often leaving their U.S. citizen children behind.
Now ICE is used to track down actual criminals who are here illegally and we now see stories like this:
http://www.sbsun.com/traffic/ci_13979882
Camacho-Madrigal was found in San Bernardino County just seven months after he had been deported, according to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court. He had been convicted in Los Angeles County in December 1992 for the sex offense, and was sentenced to three years in prison.
The three-day immigration bust, which concluded late Thursday, targeted illegal aliens with criminal records and was the largest ever carried out by ICE.
ICE officials said more than 80 percent of the people arrested had prior convictions for serious or violent crimes, including rape, armed robbery and assault with a deadly weapon. Thirty are convicted sex offenders. At least 100 have already been removed from the country.
Last December I travelled with my soon to be son in law who is an undocumented refugee from El Salvador. We went through 3 border patrol checkpoints. He presented them with his temporary authorization card that the President has issued to hundreds of thousands of undocumented workers in the US and the Border Patrol Agent said "technically you are still here illegally and before you would have been picked up and sent back but under this administration you are protected" and waived us through.
But you talk of "excesses of the Obama administration".
Really?
Name one actual victim of the NSA mega data base who has
1) had his property seized
2) been detained
3) had his records, including phone conversations seized without a warrant.
The fact that the President has extended protection to millions that didn't get it before doesn't register on your meter at all.
Why is that?
Is it because those victims are brown and you are completely unaware of the realities of their life?
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I ws prepared for a rant and then for a looooooong rant. Well done and worth the read. I think.....
marble falls
Jul 2013
#89
The inanimate object was asking for it. You could tell by the way it looked at me.
phleshdef
Jul 2013
#69
Masturbate, Rub Face In Filth --- Interesting Set Of Options You Favor, Fella....
The Magistrate
Jul 2013
#28
If there are people who state that then it is wrong and counter productive, but
grantcart
Jul 2013
#21
Two wrongs don't make a right--and ironically, you complain about their name calling you ("hater)--
Moonwalk
Jul 2013
#35
No miss at all if others get the message. Thank you for being such a good example.
Moonwalk
Jul 2013
#132
That's a natural and very old cognitive habit that is used by either/any side to OPPRESS.
patrice
Jul 2013
#96
It's a shame that the President has put his most ardent supporters into a position where ...
dawg
Jul 2013
#22
some of which are war crimes, un constitutional and crimes against humanity..very sad indeed..nt
xiamiam
Jul 2013
#34
Unfortunately, many of our conservative defenders of an authoritarian government ...
bvar22
Jul 2013
#185
Sorry but your OP is way too long to address each point. I do find it interesting
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#29
We must fight apathy and complacency and be vigilant. It's not paranoia to recognize
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#81
If they're fishing through everyone's records for patterns, then everyone's under surveillance
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2013
#61
"ask them what they believe or represent" - so why didn't he ask WillyT, instead of posting the OP?
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2013
#68
Based on your nuanced and insightful response, no one expects you to read any books at all. Ever.
11 Bravo
Jul 2013
#79
The lexicon and manners of those who wear Obama's name like a shield speak volumes
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#169
I can't imagine someone who objects to this OP being too long reading Dostoevsky or Tolstoy
stevenleser
Jul 2013
#194
Your incredible effort on the OP is appreciated - well done, and thought-provoking.
NRaleighLiberal
Jul 2013
#59
Fascist propaganda against those with whom they disagree is prejudiced & over-simplified. You can
patrice
Jul 2013
#91
There is no such thing as an absolute right. Rights are relative; that's what makes them rights.
patrice
Jul 2013
#93
Yes, a ton of assumption, conclusion jumping (me too), and petty personal attacks here
BornLooser
Jul 2013
#103
Why are we assuming that everyone on either/any side of this is exactly what they
patrice
Jul 2013
#112
My argument (that YOU avoid adressing in your Ad Hominen attack) is Basic Logic
bvar22
Jul 2013
#206
Truly, some people are comfortable with their chains and the callouses they have grown
galileoreloaded
Jul 2013
#119
Good that you aren't announcing that you're leaving. I would have given you my normal salute
bluestate10
Jul 2013
#139
That was a lovely romp! Not only do I agree with your comments, I've said most of them as well,
MADem
Jul 2013
#153
Beats the vitriolic ones for sure...and the ones that have One Cryptic Sentence as the subject line!
MADem
Jul 2013
#204
If you think this is whining about DU then first please hit the alert button
grantcart
Jul 2013
#168
I found your reply hilarious and I don't apologize if you think it is condescending
grantcart
Jul 2013
#173
"Good luck with that whole "going to change the world by posting copies of lyrics" thing."
bobduca
Jul 2013
#175
Thanks, grant. I've dropped out of the NSA threads - too high strung, reactionary,
toby jo
Jul 2013
#176
Lol excellent point. I don't think anyone was rising to the level of an epitaph.
grantcart
Jul 2013
#180