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boston bean

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Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:39 PM Feb 2012

Look, Kitten, I Am Too A Feminist! Fauxminism and Men [View all]

It’s great when men identify as feminists. Really, it is. It’s great when anyone identifies as a feminist. What’s more important, however, is actually sticking to the tenets of that identity and philosophy. This is important for feminists from all walks of life, but it becomes particularly paramount when men claim the title of feminist. Many a woman-identified feminist is unwilling to speak out against men who self-ID with the movement for fear of alienating them from the cause all together – or worse – becoming the man-hating stereotype. However, it’s time to speak the unspeakable. I am totally ok with being labeled a man-hater if it means that feminism can better serve those it is meant for. So here goes: fauxminism in male, masculine-identified allies is a problem, and it needs addressing.

There, I said it.

So how do you tell if a man you are conversing with (or perhaps know, love, and/or are friends with) is, in fact, a fauxminist?


He interrupts women that he speaks with.

Some people don’t understand the politics of simple conversation. However, it’s important to note that talking over people or interrupting them is considered rude for a reason. It’s exerting power over them. It is a way of conveying that what one person has to say is more important – more worthy of consideration and therefore more imperative to be stated sooner – than what another has to speak about.

These politics have historically played across gender lines, and they continue to have attachments to gender to this day. Many studies have been conducted on gender and communication, and in each one men interrupted women more than they interrupted men. Due to their general societal privilege, what men say is generally considered more important than what a woman has to say. This can also be seen in cases in which a man giving a lecture receives applause for saying something that a woman or women in general have said for quite a bit of time.

Legitimate male feminists make a concerted effort not to interrupt the women they’re speaking with. They understand the politics of conversation and they work to limit their male privilege within the confines of spoken communication. It places real value on the words, thoughts, and ideas put forth by women and can be a great learning experience for these men.


He expects to be given leadership roles far before he’s ready for them.

In some cases, this can manifest itself as simply taking on the position of director of a particular project or group. In others, men in feminist groups just tend to become leaders – many before they’re ready. It’s a feminist activist group glass escalator, and on some level it makes sense. It makes sense to fight back against stereotypes by having men at the forefront of feminist groups. It’s a great PR strategy. That is, until it completely backfires.

By placing men in leadership positions just to give off the impression that men are active and involved in feminist politics and organizing, some groups are also giving off the impression that feminism is only relevant if men are in charge of it. This is the antithesis of what feminism should be about, and it only seeks to serve a patriarchal definition of importance in the first place. You can’t smash the patriarchy by adhering to its demands for the privileged to always be calling the shots.

Men need to realize that as a person with privilege, odds are they have a lot to learn about unpacking that privilege before they can lead the march to liberation. Those who demand to be put at the forefront from the get-go are simply attention seekers, and they make it obvious that they have not done the work necessary to be a leader in the fight for equality.


Each one of the below is further expounded upon by the author. You can read at the link.

He interrupts women that he speaks with.

He mansplains.

He insists that feminism must make equal time for men and men’s issues.

He continues to partake in media or activities that objectify/degrade women.

He calls women he doesn’t agree with “bitches”, “whores” or other gender-based slurs.

He feels entitled to the trust of the women he works with in feminist activism circles.

He will not hold other self-proclaimed male-identified feminists accountable.

He uses the tone argument on you.

He is pissed off by this article.

http://www.lawsonry.com/891-look-kitten-i-am-too-a-feminist-fauxminism-and-men/

With the attack on feminists and womens rights lately, ie women not being allowed to speak about reproductive rights at a congressional hearing..... men doing all the talking. I think article gives an interesting perspective.
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"He insists that feminism must make equal time for men and men’s issues." varelse Feb 2012 #1
Yes boston bean Feb 2012 #5
What's wrong with being a good person? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #15
Yes, we should be encouraging everyone to be that. Zalatix Feb 2012 #21
We should learn to stand up decisively for our best interests first BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #34
+1 Scuba Feb 2012 #42
Women are not the only ones who need to make room for other people's issues. EVERYONE needs to. Zalatix Feb 2012 #20
Feminism is about equality for women, and feminists believe in equality for everyone. boston bean Feb 2012 #33
What if we don't hate our gender role? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #41
+infinity redqueen Feb 2012 #9
yes. this is only worthwhile if feminism is about equality. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #26
Again, feminism is about equality for women. Feminists believe in equality for everyone. nt boston bean Feb 2012 #35
You can't simultaneously believe in equality lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #43
I don't really want to femrap Feb 2012 #48
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #2
Huh? Vanje Feb 2012 #3
Admins, maybe? nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #4
A link would be of interest. nt Vanje Feb 2012 #6
Not even gonna touch that. ;) nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #10
Makes sense to me and I wouldn't call you a man-hater for insisting that women Bonobo Feb 2012 #7
That is an interesting take Bonobo boston bean Feb 2012 #12
It's a great article Irishonly Feb 2012 #8
I thought it was a good article too. boston bean Feb 2012 #11
Of course it is. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #14
Faux Feminist Men and Other Figments (Real and Imagined) redqueen Feb 2012 #13
I vote for the last paragraph Remember Me Feb 2012 #52
Ohhhh, good luck. nt BlueIris Feb 2012 #16
I think "mansplains" is a broad-brushed, gender-based slur and has no place on DU. nt Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #17
Are you implying it has a negative "tone"? boppers Feb 2012 #22
My *opinion* is that it's a broad-brush, gender based slur, which should have no place on DU. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #27
What exactly does "mansplains" mean? Number23 Feb 2012 #47
oh, so you want me to mansplain it to ya? Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #49
On second thought, maybe someone a bit more coherent and less hysterical Number23 Feb 2012 #50
no prob. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #51
Is there anything odd about not considering myself a feminist in the slightest? jsmirman Feb 2012 #18
This seems fine to me. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #19
Out of curiosity, what does "feminist" mean to you? boppers Feb 2012 #23
I think that's part of what I was getting at jsmirman Feb 2012 #24
Oh, and I'm still positive jsmirman Feb 2012 #25
LOL -- in that case I like you even more Remember Me Feb 2012 #53
You sound like a feminist to me lunatica Feb 2012 #30
I wouldn't ever apply the term "feminist" MineralMan Feb 2012 #28
K & R! lonestarnot Feb 2012 #29
STFU Fauxminists... ha, nice. redqueen Feb 2012 #31
goood find! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #36
I am a little uncomfortable with the biological specificity in her writing. RadiationTherapy Feb 2012 #32
The subtitle ("Fauxminism and Men") implies to me redqueen Feb 2012 #37
As I tread the razor thin line of one of the points in the article... RadiationTherapy Feb 2012 #38
Is there a way to do that? Remember Me Feb 2012 #55
Yes, "masculinity" is an acculturated trait that has no concrete definition and can be changed. RadiationTherapy Feb 2012 #56
Then again some people just trail on and on Dragonbreathp9d Feb 2012 #39
That is not what was said at all. boston bean Feb 2012 #40
Maybe it's time for some "mansplaining" to the guys who think that being a feminist is ingratiating. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #44
There's no reason women shouldn't register for the draft, altho Remember Me Feb 2012 #57
point by point. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #59
I think the vast majority of people, male or female... MellowDem Feb 2012 #45
Some excellent points Remember Me Feb 2012 #58
I think men have a different role in supporting feminism. DirkGently Feb 2012 #46
Very Interesting! Texasgal Feb 2012 #54
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