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randome

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87. I know you want badly to believe that.

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 07:15 PM

Jul 2013

It fits in with the narrative that you have power over those who wield actual power.

I maintain that I have no problem admitting who is right or who is wrong. See post #69 for why this story is more likely bogus.
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US Threatens To Eliminate Trade With Venezuela If It Provides Snowden With Asylum [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

Roughly 6% of our oil comes from Venezuela, we won't be pissing them off 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #1

We overstimate our self-importance Catherina Jul 2013 #3

Haha! City Lights Jul 2013 #17

+100 HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #77

Don't forget Russia. They may be saying they want to maintain Cleita Jul 2013 #40

This is where I don't understand what those MBAs are thinking. Catherina Jul 2013 #73

"Is it our arrogance that blinds us and makes us make huge mistakes like this?" ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Jul 2013 #130

+1 n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #134

Agreed, in our desperation to inflict harm on Snowden we will reduce our influence to Latin America Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #127

Hmmm.... Maybe it is the Koch brothers that are fueling this UNAMERICAN policy... cascadiance Jul 2013 #21

first heaven05 Jul 2013 #45

Yep. Next it's going to be gas shortages that matthews Jul 2013 #94

On the other hand they import gasoline from us. hack89 Jul 2013 #34

Ah, so you think that's really what's behind all the noise? lark Jul 2013 #42

And that oil we don't buy goes to China, to pay debts. joshcryer Jul 2013 #101

They could build their own refinery easily, but we can not get more oil easily or cheaply 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #125

US imports of Venezuelan oil are at a 30 year low. We export gasoline to 'em. joshcryer Jul 2013 #100

And still at a million barrels a day. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #144

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #2

wow, just wow - the empire strikes back nt markiv Jul 2013 #4

I can't believe they're still pretending the empire has the clout and good-will it used to. Catherina Jul 2013 #9

I would think that threatening them with sending them more Wall Street bankers for "help"... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #5

Lol, Good one! What they have to say about our *bankers* is some of the best stuff on the net Catherina Jul 2013 #12

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #6

i need to read up on our current relationship with south america, does anyone have.. allin99 Jul 2013 #7

May I recommend "Open Veins of Latin America"? Catherina Jul 2013 #11

Thanks! ooh, and thanks for the pdf... allin99 Jul 2013 #19

If Chavez really wanted President Obama to read the book, Tanuki Jul 2013 #128

Lol. Ok, Obama walks on water and the whole world revolves around English. Catherina Jul 2013 #129

Don't forge to examine the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary, ronnie624 Jul 2013 #133

Good. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #8

We didn't even do this to Pakistan when they harbored Bin Laden n2doc Jul 2013 #10

That' because Bin Laden was never a real threat to the Government, but Snowden is. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #13

The U.S. is less afraid of Snowden than the precedent this will set. wtmusic Jul 2013 #29

So 3,000+ dead Americans = no real threat, vs 0 dead by Snowden = Threat? ShadowLiberal Jul 2013 #70

Well you are less confused than I am. What Snowden has done was matthews Jul 2013 #96

I thought people learned that in Diplomacy 101. Catherina Jul 2013 #14

Obama just keeps digging the hole deeper. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #80

Or the story is bogus. randome Jul 2013 #83

He has been digging deeper from the get-go. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #86

I know you want badly to believe that. randome Jul 2013 #87

I'd rather not believe it. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #92

I agree that Obama should not be above the law. randome Jul 2013 #95

Three soures saying the same thing... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #99

All sources cite ABC.es? joshcryer Jul 2013 #105

Even after pointing that out, posters are climbing on board without bothering... randome Jul 2013 #110

I think it's more about protecting a system that relies too heavily on the military and espionage Catherina Jul 2013 #91

Bin Laden was an external threat, Snowden is an internal one. GliderGuider Jul 2013 #15

Pakistan cooperated with the U.S. and there were discussion about cutting aid. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #20

They co-operated so much with us that we had to have a secret stealth SEAL raid n2doc Jul 2013 #24

Do you ProSense Jul 2013 #33

Do you bahrbearian Jul 2013 #64

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #65

You do know we conducted the raid without Pakistans approve or even Knowledge. bahrbearian Jul 2013 #66

Bin Laden was a CIA asset. bahrbearian Jul 2013 #22

They seem to be in panic mode. Like a police department frantically threatening everyone limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #63

Exactly! The whole response to Snowden smells like coverup. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #81

So Kerry challenges Maduro to personally pick Snowden up from Moscow? marions ghost Jul 2013 #16

There goes heating assistance to the poor.... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #18

Citgo has other sources marions ghost Jul 2013 #25

CITGO is owned by the Venezuelan government. joshcryer Jul 2013 #103

Thanks for that detailed info marions ghost Jul 2013 #117

According to this (see link below) they don't need it. L0oniX Jul 2013 #26

I guess they can burn wrappers DainBramaged Jul 2013 #27

Grease fires are eco friendly too. L0oniX Jul 2013 #28

Whew marions ghost Jul 2013 #43

EXACTLY! I was thinking the very same thing 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #44

The heating assistance program helped tens of thousand when our government failed to do so DainBramaged Jul 2013 #47

LIHEAP = $3.2 billion. CITGO to Citizen's Energy = $60 million. joshcryer Jul 2013 #102

If there is a NAFTA agreement with them the US will get to enjoy a lawsuit. L0oniX Jul 2013 #23

that would be weirdly entertaining. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #30

I wish it were China instead of Venezuela Populist_Prole Jul 2013 #31

Last week's trade meeting with China didn't end on a good note Catherina Jul 2013 #38

Yes but when the chips are down, who's bread will be buttered? Populist_Prole Jul 2013 #39

i am still laughing at both the notes from HK and... allin99 Jul 2013 #41

You obviously mistranslated. woo me with science Jul 2013 #32

!OMG! Catherina Jul 2013 #36

You owe me a new engineering tablet. Mine is covered with soda... Pholus Jul 2013 #52

! muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #67

and Venezuela should care why? i think someone else will buy their oil. robinlynne Jul 2013 #35

Just a few headlines away were articles about more deals with China Catherina Jul 2013 #37

The bullying has become OTT... KoKo Jul 2013 #54

Because they have to import gasoline from the US? hack89 Jul 2013 #79

Didn't the US rush a Chinese lawyer out of China and into the US malaise Jul 2013 #46

that was quite different.... allin99 Jul 2013 #50

Either it's asylum or it isn't malaise Jul 2013 #53

oh, i thought you were talking about the situation... allin99 Jul 2013 #55

No - Chen Guangcheng never requested asylum hack89 Jul 2013 #56

Thanks for that clarification malaise Jul 2013 #61

Maduro should know that his irresponsible actions have consequences. tritsofme Jul 2013 #48

Venezuela responds. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #49

Yes, that's about it. Expect a replay of Yanquis de mierda any minute now Catherina Jul 2013 #57

Yanquis de mierda -- "so much shit from you Yankees" marions ghost Jul 2013 #58

This will surely give the follower authoritarians among us a little tingle. Their authoritarian Big rhett o rick Jul 2013 #51

" Venezuela, China strengthen friendship, cooperation" Catherina Jul 2013 #59

i think i've misjudged the PRC BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #71

Ya...and when's the last time China held elections? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #75

there is no such thing as "the progressive cause" BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #97

How dare they? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #60

Yeah Venezuela, respect Cartman's Authoritah! marions ghost Jul 2013 #62

Maduro didn't win the election by much. My guess is that he's fully capable of playing byeya Jul 2013 #68

They were already going up before this. I agree with you that this will make them even higher Catherina Jul 2013 #76

If you don't mind, I'll be counting on you to monitor this and see if the Venezualen people byeya Jul 2013 #113

Ok, I'll keep an eye on it. Catherina Jul 2013 #116

This sounds completely ridiculous. randome Jul 2013 #69

agree. the u.s. might do something with the trade but it's not going to be this extreme... allin99 Jul 2013 #72

I wondered if this is an indirect justification flamingdem Jul 2013 #84

I don't see what Putin actually gains by granting asylum. randome Jul 2013 #85

I think that his problem now is stopping it flamingdem Jul 2013 #89

You can read the original source here on ABC.es (source OP hates): joshcryer Jul 2013 #104

Thank you for researching that. randome Jul 2013 #109

Laughably hollow posturing. Marr Jul 2013 #74

78 replies, and this is the first one to utter the name "Obama" - as in, this is Obama's policy. reformist2 Jul 2013 #78

No, it isn't. The story is bogus. randome Jul 2013 #82

Big brother is quick to punish the impertinent who has annoyed him and, as Cuba indepat Jul 2013 #88

Just as well. Venezuela doesn't need USA Bryn Jul 2013 #90

Sad for us to be alienating contries with more progressive platforms but true. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #115

How funny. I think they'll survive fine without us. matthews Jul 2013 #93

Bullies bully. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #106

And what about the POOR that burrowowl Jul 2013 #107

More and more countries and more and more people are waking up to the fact that the American DemocratForJustice Jul 2013 #108

It's sad it's going to be that way. It didn't need to n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #111

Uncle Sam has a special talent for kicking himself in the groin Coyotl Jul 2013 #112

Gawd they are so tone-deaf. You chart is the neoliberals' dream come true Catherina Jul 2013 #114

kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #118

Are you ever going to address the point that the source of this item is one you previously disowned? randome Jul 2013 #119

US denies suspension of Venezuelan officials' visas due to Snowden case joshcryer Jul 2013 #120

Still puzzled why the OP is pushing this crap. randome Jul 2013 #124

Authoritarianism. joshcryer Jul 2013 #141

Meh. "The source, who spoke under condition of anonymity" Zorra Jul 2013 #131

The ABC.es source is anonymous, as well. joshcryer Jul 2013 #142

The predictable result: "Venezuela has terminated talks with the United States" Catherina Jul 2013 #121

Maybe we could get lucky nolabels Jul 2013 #122

See this thread Catherina Jul 2013 #123

Most in Venezuela know who and what the nomenclature of "US" really represents nolabels Jul 2013 #137

+1. Poor people rising & welcoming warriors in the same fight Catherina Jul 2013 #138

Translation: Global bully throws hissy fit when it does not get its own way. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #126

. Go Vols Jul 2013 #132

+1 but don't forget its lackeys. Catherina Jul 2013 #136

+1 nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #140

I have little patience for hypocrites and liars. joshcryer Jul 2013 #143

Any other news outlets pick this up? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #135

Wow. We sure sound desperate & scared. N/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #139

Article - "With “Zero Tolerance to Gringo Aggression,” Maduro Cuts Off Venezuela-U.S. Talks" Catherina Jul 2013 #145

You are creating DU's largest echo chamber in this thread. randome Jul 2013 #146

U.S. lawmakers want sanctions on any country taking in Snowden Catherina Jul 2013 #147