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In reply to the discussion: When a Centrist Independent is a more reliable vote for Democrats than, well, some Democrats... [View all]TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)41. Probably "a centrist, independent" is closer to having their policy aims represented
What do you have to swallow that is too far left for you in order to be such a reliable voter?
I'm of the impression that the DLC/Turd Way policy and strategies are right up your alley because you describe your self as a "centrist" which always translates to corporate friendly, neocon tolerant, receptive to reductions in the safety net, not the least bit concerned about the environment, pro-police, pro-security state, favoring education deform while championing education as the key to better lives, and ever seeking paths to aligning with the opposition.
Your "challenge" is also logically flawed, it does not account for convergence of agenda. I'm all for kicking the shit out of the TeaPubliKlan agenda but that absolutely requires kicking the shit out of the Turd Way agenda, the two cannot be separated, sure some of the TeaPubliKlans are even more extreme in pressing it and do so with much harsher rhetoric but the broad agenda is the same.
It also tries to sell the idea that liberals don't work to elect Democrats and don't consistently vote for Democrats like "centrist independents" aka the folks I've never seen working a campaign. No, not even for "centrist" candidates.
In 2010 the minority vote dropped off, the youth numbers fell, and there are always Democrats who show up in Presidential years that are less apt to come to the polls in off years or for local races.
The thing is even if your phony assertions were true, it would seem necessary to try and get everyone out because the numbers aren't available within the regular electorate. If you have to replace significant numbers of people then they must be drawn from eligible non-voters.
I don't see how punching the hippies moves the needle but I do see how it is easier than motivating folks to mob the polls by being on their side rather than licking corporate taint, producing spin, and trying to win the blame for toxic policies passed to serve the rich and powerful.
There is no wishing away the reality that it is hard to the point of impossible to sell dicey voters that the solution to their dissatisfaction with the direction of a Democrat or Democrats is to vote for them or vote TeaPubliKlan. If the latter is unacceptable and significant to why one votes Democratic then??? Vote for them! Better yet pretend to support it while writing firmly worded letters that swear eternal allegiance but clear hope that the recipient evolve. If one can't feign support then be silent on this piece and talk up better areas. If there are many problems then shut up or again, go vote TeaPubliKlan since "you" must be one to have many problems with policy.
I can't pitch that shit and I've not seen a credible job to use as a template, it is ineffective to counter-productive as a tactic to herd established partisans who aren't even philosophically opposed to actually being Democrats and is completely worthless in selling those less inclined that I can see.
This bogus ass political strategy has burned bridges I worked hard to build in getting new folks to the polls in 2008, it is fucking dangerously stupid but instead of learning a damn thing here we are hearing the same bullshit spin and the same fingers pointing in the aftermath of their willful failure.
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When a Centrist Independent is a more reliable vote for Democrats than, well, some Democrats... [View all]
riqster
Jul 2013
OP
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#2
Is it your principles to vote for those who condemn children to starve, and suffer?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#54
After his mandate in 2009, Obama had the Republicans on the mat for the final 10-count
HardTimes99
Jul 2013
#8
I am a moderate democrat is a deep blue state. I often get out voted in primaries by
bluestate10
Jul 2013
#50
I smell bullshit. Look at any state that went from DINO to republican and tell me there is
bluestate10
Jul 2013
#48
Exactly. Idaho lost its DINO Representative in Congress when he was replaced by a flamethrowing . .
Major Hogwash
Jul 2013
#63
If it is partisan to want to keep Republicans from fucking the nation to death,
riqster
Jul 2013
#77
To be fair they only pretend half as crap, the reality of the offerings is much less than half
TheKentuckian
Jul 2013
#11
Bullshit!!! If you think is isn't, go live in Louisiana, Texas, South Carolina, Georgia.
bluestate10
Jul 2013
#30
The so-called "true" democrats and third party type here on DU disgusts me.
bluestate10
Jul 2013
#26
You know, Senator Amy Klobuchar won reelection by being so inoffensive and useless
Lydia Leftcoast
Jul 2013
#83
When a Centrist Independent is a more reliable vote for Democrats than, well, some Democrats...
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#32
Unfortunately, what the Dem establishment takes away from its losses is
Lydia Leftcoast
Jul 2013
#82
+1000. Every time we go further right, we sacrifice voters and our party identity.
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#107
Probably "a centrist, independent" is closer to having their policy aims represented
TheKentuckian
Jul 2013
#41
Nah, it is as described. Every "Centrist" politician is a corporate stooge asshole.
TheKentuckian
Jul 2013
#101
I'll grant you the first point but will add the self described "centrist" are more brazen and proud
TheKentuckian
Aug 2013
#128
As Job said to the Lord -so say I to the Party,"Though you slay me yet shall I serve you."-Job 13:15
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#55
BOOM! .... And small pieces of the OPs argument fall slowly back into the water n/t
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#84
May I ask what your philosophical reasons are for not registering as a Democrat?
Autumn
Jul 2013
#81
My objections to party membership may be found in Washington's Farewell speech.
riqster
Jul 2013
#104
So you are helping Repubs. Regardless of reason, you are out to hurt the Dems.
riqster
Aug 2013
#116
Nothiing gets resolved until the goverment coffers are filled to resolve them.
mick063
Aug 2013
#119
One of my complaints about Centrist politics is that lacking solid positions to advocate they
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#126
So you don't do any of the hard work it takes to run a Party, you just vote and preach at those
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#121