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X_Digger

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97. The same way you 'know' if someone driving down the road has a license..

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:41 PM

Aug 2013

You can't directly detect it, therefore you look at how prevalent convictions of the two offenses are to get an idea of it's frequency.

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Why I won't allow guns in Keefer's Restaurant [View all] Robb Aug 2013 OP

Bravo mick063 Aug 2013 #1

Same for me. AndyA Aug 2013 #8

Out of sight, out of mind? X_Digger Aug 2013 #16

Concealed carry is concealed for a reason. rl6214 Aug 2013 #72

Yeah, so the toter won't look like a silly fool. Hoyt Aug 2013 #83

Yep mick063 Aug 2013 #101

And this comment doesn't make any sense at all. rl6214 Aug 2013 #109

Your reply sure doesn't make sense, but the one you are replying to does. RC Aug 2013 #119

Yeah, none of these people needed to kill their own food either rl6214 Aug 2013 #122

yeah heaven05 Aug 2013 #118

I vaguely know Glenn Keefer. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #2

How does he enfore that rule? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #141

We are now entering the Twilight Zone in NC, too, with guns allowed in bars. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #3

Virginia also... thecrow Aug 2013 #29

"The Bible is violent." WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #65

"You look like the Devil this morning," Blam Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #115

I agree. Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #127

I'm glad that he's up front about it... Pelican Aug 2013 #4

Do you live in his area? JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #22

Nope... Pelican Aug 2013 #25

It's an upscale steak house. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #26

I think this man's idea JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #37

I agree with you. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author tumtum Aug 2013 #40

Hooey Hooey Hooey JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #44

Thanks for explaining that. tumtum Aug 2013 #48

My dad JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #60

I'm ashamed to say that during my tours I did use the term. tumtum Aug 2013 #106

why regret it DustyJoe Aug 2013 #177

Would you consider yourself a racist? Bandit Aug 2013 #179

Back then? Yes. tumtum Aug 2013 #180

DINKS = Double Income - No Kids LanternWaste Aug 2013 #45

Got it, see post 48. tumtum Aug 2013 #49

Guess I am not in the vast majority... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #82

In somewhat more recent usage ... surrealAmerican Aug 2013 #46

Got it, see post 48. tumtum Aug 2013 #50

If I lived there he'd get LOTS of my business. I agree completely with him. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #41

If they're carrying concealed, how do you know they're carrying? tumtum Aug 2013 #42

If you lived where I lived JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #47

That may be true, but that's not what I asked. tumtum Aug 2013 #51

If I answer the question JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #59

You may think nobody knows. RC Aug 2013 #121

I guess we'll cancel each other out... as he just found a new customer in me. LanternWaste Aug 2013 #43

Me too, I'd eat there if I end up in that area in my travels. Erose999 Aug 2013 #52

It's a great point--we don't allow people to drink and drive, why should they be allowed msanthrope Aug 2013 #5

Who's allowing people to drink and carry concealed? (It *is* still illegal, btw..) X_Digger Aug 2013 #20

The Illinois law thecrow Aug 2013 #27

The other half of that is that it doesn't allow *carrying* while drinking. X_Digger Aug 2013 #28

If it's concealed, who the hell would know? AlinPA Aug 2013 #74

Without pulling a driver over, how do you know he has a license? X_Digger Aug 2013 #84

Why bother with your chart and the last sentence? My question has nothing to do with that. AlinPA Aug 2013 #86

No, it's perfectly relevant. X_Digger Aug 2013 #87

Texas CHL holders are merely better at beating the rap. Robb Aug 2013 #88

Oh look, random data point without data for comparison. X_Digger Aug 2013 #96

Don't let good data get in the way of manufactured stereotype... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #131

"Culture war", Wayne? Robb Aug 2013 #137

Yep. Casual denigration doesn't hide anything. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #140

I'm not proposing anything. My point is how the hell would you know if someone has a gun if it AlinPA Aug 2013 #89

The same way you 'know' if someone driving down the road has a license.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #97

Prevalent convictions...frequency..? Try this: 10 people drinking in a bar. One of them is hiding a AlinPA Aug 2013 #98

Easy, The criminal! Bazinga Aug 2013 #100

Can't see what conviction numbers have to do with it it. Maybe frisking everyone at the bar? AlinPA Aug 2013 #102

Or how about not encouraging a culture of reckless gun toting? ellisonz Aug 2013 #146

I like the Texas approach to this problem oneshooter Aug 2013 #147

Did you read the OP article? ellisonz Aug 2013 #150

What about an olive garden, or a Texas roadhouse? Bazinga Aug 2013 #160

Is there some rule that says one cannot become intoxicated at the Olive Garden while gun toting? n/t ellisonz Aug 2013 #161

Yes there is. It is against the law. Bazinga Aug 2013 #162

So clearly then we should set an arbitrary limit on where one can tote where alcohol is served? ellisonz Aug 2013 #163

Why is no guns while intoxicated not enough? Bazinga Aug 2013 #164

"Why do I have to compromise my safety because of someone else's beverage choice?" ellisonz Aug 2013 #165

Absolutely right. Bazinga Aug 2013 #166

The Second Amendment does not afford a right to carry whatever gun, whenever, wherever you please. ellisonz Aug 2013 #167

Please define threatened. Bazinga Aug 2013 #168

Tough shit. ellisonz Aug 2013 #169

Well then I'll side with the Democrats, Bazinga Aug 2013 #170

That doesn't mean what you think it does. ellisonz Aug 2013 #171

Fair enough. Bazinga Aug 2013 #172

We don't disagree. One of us is giving the interpretation of the Constitution as declared by SCOTUS. ellisonz Aug 2013 #173

What was hypothetical about my argument? Bazinga Aug 2013 #175

You didn't address my post at all. ellisonz Aug 2013 #178

Nor you mine. Bazinga Aug 2013 #181

Nobody. Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #128

alot of people blueamy66 Aug 2013 #138

^^^^ ellisonz Aug 2013 #145

It allows you to CC, as long as the owner doesn't ban firearms, tumtum Aug 2013 #30

It depends on whether IL concealed carry allows drinking while carrying rl6214 Aug 2013 #73

Its a social more that a restaurant is expected to cut a drunk off at a certain point and encourage Erose999 Aug 2013 #54

And that is the law in states that allow concealed carry in restaurants. X_Digger Aug 2013 #55

there are plenty of other places for gun humpers to go Skittles Aug 2013 #77

Sure there are. tumtum Aug 2013 #104

sorry, I cannot help with your affliction Skittles Aug 2013 #111

Affliction in your eyes, tumtum Aug 2013 #123

sorry, it's not me who is paranoid Skittles Aug 2013 #124

It sounds like you're paranoid of people with firearms. tumtum Aug 2013 #125

Not this shit again ellisonz Aug 2013 #149

Nobody's forcing you to read it. tumtum Aug 2013 #153

Paranoid? You guys can't venture out without a gun strapped to your body. Hoyt Aug 2013 #157

You're funny. tumtum Aug 2013 #158

Sounds reasonable - it is all about choice. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #6

I didn't know Ben Kingsley had a brother Dash87 Aug 2013 #7

"It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun." Jim__ Aug 2013 #9

It is illegal to be drunk and to drive. In many states it is illegal to be drunk and to carry a gun. hack89 Aug 2013 #11

You are incorrect. blueamy66 Aug 2013 #139

No, and it would still be illegal to do so in IL after this change. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #21

Only a total gun crazy would disagree, lark Aug 2013 #39

Thanks for acknowledging I am not a "total gun crazy." Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #135

As a gun owner and restaurant worker, this guy makes a very clear and to me obvious point: marble falls Aug 2013 #10

In many states it is a crime to use a gun while intoxicated. hack89 Aug 2013 #12

I agree totaly. I'd go a step further: being arrested drunk with a firearm should lose one's right.. marble falls Aug 2013 #15

Just like a drunk driver should permanently lose their license. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #18

A person with more than two or three DUIs should lose his license at least until the drinking stops. marble falls Aug 2013 #24

No. One DUI is all that is necessary to kill an innocent person hack89 Aug 2013 #32

I'll drink to that. marble falls Aug 2013 #35

You generally do Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #92

Thanks for a common sense approach. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #132

I wonder how many customers leave his place just under the legal limit but still impaired? hack89 Aug 2013 #13

Am I the 'he' of which you speak? I cut my customers off at two drinks in one hour and keep.... marble falls Aug 2013 #136

never thought about this mgardener Aug 2013 #14

Are you saying that your state does not alread have that law? ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #80

Alcohol and guns are a toxic mix obama2terms Aug 2013 #17

They have allowed guns in bars here in Tenn. for over 4 years Go Vols Aug 2013 #56

No, they tend to shoot people in the parking lot. Robb Aug 2013 #58

Yep,not in a bar Go Vols Aug 2013 #61

And nothing about concealed carry, either. X_Digger Aug 2013 #64

Harry Ray Coleman held a concealed carry permit. Robb Aug 2013 #66

Funny, the article you posted doesn't seem to support that.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #67

He's one of the convicted CCW murderers at the link in my signature line. Robb Aug 2013 #68

Thanks for actual relevant info. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #69

It's still a stupid idea obama2terms Aug 2013 #105

I think this goes on Go Vols Aug 2013 #107

That it does obama2terms Aug 2013 #130

you can't drink if CCin. ileus Aug 2013 #19

Or TX. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #23

Or AZ. tumtum Aug 2013 #31

Or FL. spin Aug 2013 #34

Or in GA aikoaiko Aug 2013 #57

Guns are allowed in bars in Georgia, but from the law I have read, RebelOne Aug 2013 #62

If it's concealed, who the hell would know? AlinPA Aug 2013 #75

Like most other laws on the books, it wouldn't be enforced truebluegreen Aug 2013 #129

Here's what's funny; DAngelo136 Aug 2013 #33

How many times does this have to be said? tumtum Aug 2013 #36

In all states? AlinPA Aug 2013 #91

I every state I am aware of Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #94

Shh. Stereotypes, narratives & doctrine are being manufactured. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #133

Carrying in a bar or restaurant doesn't require drinking in that bar. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #53

Odd how some don't seem to grasp that fact. ileus Aug 2013 #81

The voice of experience versus those who have a pathological need to force themselves on others. freshwest Aug 2013 #63

I'll drink to this man Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #70

With a Texas CCL you cannot drink and carry. rl6214 Aug 2013 #71

OMG COMMON SENSE Skittles Aug 2013 #76

A pleasant non insulting attitude, something you seriously lack. n/t oneshooter Aug 2013 #148

see,that's what cracks me up Skittles Aug 2013 #152

Then tell me what personal insults have been posted from the pro gun side. oneshooter Aug 2013 #174

It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun. etherealtruth Aug 2013 #78

Umm it is Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #93

How fun etherealtruth Aug 2013 #95

Well no Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #99

In every state that I know of, that IS the law. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #142

I cut and pasted a line from the article in agreement etherealtruth Aug 2013 #144

So let me get this straight Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #79

"Only a fool would think the sign changes anything." rdharma Aug 2013 #103

Geeze, my own e stalker Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #114

Are we talking about the "effectiveness" of the sign. rdharma Aug 2013 #120

if I was carrying concealed Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #110

The right to life must be the #1 priority malaise Aug 2013 #85

Commie bastard probably doesn't allow smoking either! What fun is a firearm without brewens Aug 2013 #90

and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun cui bono Aug 2013 #108

There you go, someone using common sense for a change. B Calm Aug 2013 #112

I don't understand the usefulness of CCWs, now don't get me wrong... Humanist_Activist Aug 2013 #113

"It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun." CrispyQ Aug 2013 #116

Already is illegal in all states that I know of. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #143

Like most yahoos who walk into a bar aren't going to drink. Be real. Hoyt Aug 2013 #151

Perhaps *you* can't walk into a restaurant without drinking; some of us have more self-control. X_Digger Aug 2013 #154

Most will, but the designated driver won't. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #155

I have no problem walking into a bar carrying concealed and not drinking. tumtum Aug 2013 #159

glad heaven05 Aug 2013 #117

plus, guns are hard to cook properly. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #126

Not if you use a pressure cooker. tumtum Aug 2013 #134

Here in Texas one sees this sign quite a bit: GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #156

You forgot to use the "room full of easy targets" 2A quip...eom Kolesar Aug 2013 #176