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Aerows

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40. What?

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 06:13 PM

Aug 2013

"imposing seriously punitive conditions of detention on someone who has not been found guilty of any crime is a violation of his right to physical and psychological integrity as well as of his presumption of innocence"

Oh gee, that's SO MUCH BETTER. I mean, violating someone's physical and psychological integrity along with the presumption of their couldn't possibly be considered torture, no way, no how. Waterboarding people didn't harm them physically for long and only affected their psychological integrity a little bit, and hey, serious punitive conditions of detention on someone who hasn't been found guilty of a crime is just peachy.

Is that the argument you are going with?

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US says Manning leak hurt human rights work [View all] struggle4progress Aug 2013 OP

Leaked Names Shuttled to Safety, Ambassador Says struggle4progress Aug 2013 #1

With 250,000 cables, they can't cite a single solid case of serious actual harm? Just at-risk? leveymg Aug 2013 #3

'At risk' is 'not good'. randome Aug 2013 #9

There's a burden of proof in criminal matters - "Not good" doesn't meet the standard leveymg Aug 2013 #12

I agree with you on the 'proving harm' issue. randome Aug 2013 #27

LOL reusrename Aug 2013 #57

But the burden of proof in sentencing is lower than BRD. Remember, what may not convict you msanthrope Aug 2013 #35

Right, because people have to die for you to care. The CIA had pnwmom Aug 2013 #29

Also a good point. randome Aug 2013 #33

Then, we are all in agreement that no great harm has come of this. leveymg Aug 2013 #34

Death isn't the only possible harm. If an effective agent had to be removed, pnwmom Aug 2013 #42

Nothing like the CIA using vaccinations as cover to collect DNA. morningfog Aug 2013 #2

+1 idwiyo Aug 2013 #53

LOL. "Nazis Charge Jews WIth Genocide." The header's a keeper. n/t Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #4

What's your actual evidence that Michael Kozak is a "Nazi", asiode from your smirk? struggle4progress Aug 2013 #7

That's not at all what the poster said and you know it. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #14

Article to which said poster responded was abot KOzak's testimony struggle4progress Aug 2013 #23

Oh yeah, the video comes to mind. Didn't look like human rights to me. Autumn Aug 2013 #5

It's not just yr view. It's mine as well... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #32

This is all getting to be so disgusting. Autumn Aug 2013 #49

It definitely did in the Maldives Recursion Aug 2013 #6

LOL. This from the country that's murdering civilians with drones. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #8

Weasel Speak. Human Rights Workers = Agents trained at the School of the Americas, now Zorra Aug 2013 #10

That's just ignorant... Pelican Aug 2013 #11

Ooooh, bingo, I hit a nerve! nt Zorra Aug 2013 #18

Only in the sense... Pelican Aug 2013 #19

Yes, aid workers do some amazing stuff. But that's not who Kozak was Zorra Aug 2013 #20

Actually, I was just referring to what you were talking about... Pelican Aug 2013 #21

Ah, sorry. You see, I recall Assistant Secretary Kozak being involved in Zorra Aug 2013 #24

He's a career Department of State professional. He's unlikely to have been involved in much during struggle4progress Aug 2013 #30

I'm quite sure that he was involved in the Iran Contra scandal proceedings. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #43

In Volume I of the Walsh report, the Index indicates his name appears only in Chapter 24, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #46

Nah...there's actually a bit more to it all than just that. Acting Assistant Secretary Michael Kozak Zorra Aug 2013 #52

Well, those are interesting links. Thanks! and thanks for the SoA heads-up struggle4progress Aug 2013 #56

Reframing ...It's so easy even the US gov can do it. Before ya know it... L0oniX Aug 2013 #13

The U.S. looks like fools Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #15

That's rich. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #16

Like drones maybe? 99Forever Aug 2013 #17

If only they would have cared this much about Valerie Plame. Rex Aug 2013 #22

Who was actually doing something important Aerows Aug 2013 #38

Yes and they all laughed over it with Bob Novak. Rex Aug 2013 #44

Manning didn't know wtf he was leaking.. he and the people involved Cha Aug 2013 #25

Us treatment of Manning in custody hurt American credibility on human rights issues, they mean Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #26

Pilkington, like too many other Assangists, misrepresented that report struggle4progress Aug 2013 #28

Attacking the messenger, nice Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #31

Pilkington claims in the Guardian article that "The UN special rapporteur on torture struggle4progress Aug 2013 #36

Dizzy yet from all that spinning? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #39

I love the conclusion Aerows Aug 2013 #41

I've never argued for solitary confinement, and I've never argued that extended solitary confinement struggle4progress Aug 2013 #45

Manning was held, naked, in isolation, for 23 hours a day for nine months. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #48

No. He was not held naked in isolation for nine months. struggle4progress Aug 2013 #50

Regardless of the length of time which he was denied clothing... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #51

Getting the facts right is not a "justification" of anything: it's a pre-requisite struggle4progress Aug 2013 #54

allowed visitors once a week and in isolation the rest of the time? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #55

Allowed visitors on Saturdays and Sundays, as I undersood it. And according to the brig at the time, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #58

What? Aerows Aug 2013 #40

I completely agree with the statement struggle4progress Aug 2013 #47

Any old lame excuse. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #37