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53. My games? You never addressed my point

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:32 AM

Aug 2013

about why the kid may have been carrying. Instead, you made a crack about my honesty. Coming from you, I found that amusing.

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Thanks, Stand Your Ground! No homicide charges for teen who shot, killed man [View all] Robb Aug 2013 OP

Courtesy of Jeb Bush and the Koch Brothers. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #1

Yes and No. onenote Aug 2013 #89

It's the Wild Wild... ummm East? Cronus Protagonist Aug 2013 #2

This is what SYG is supposed to do telclaven Aug 2013 #3

tell that to Trayvon Skittles Aug 2013 #5

Jesus, Skittles, two different cases and you know it. Bake Aug 2013 #58

I was referring to the PROPAGANDA IN THE POST TO WHICH I REPLIED Skittles Aug 2013 #94

The Trayvon case was a travesty. We all know that. Bake Aug 2013 #96

Or pick anyone else completely unrelated to the case at hand. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #83

waved a stick at the teens. one ran away. the other could have, but didn't. waving a stick HiPointDem Aug 2013 #13

"Waved a stick" - nice revisionism telclaven Aug 2013 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #18

swinging and waving are the same action. the other teen was able to run away from the big HiPointDem Aug 2013 #103

Hank Aaron used to "wave a stick" at a fastball, too. Bake Aug 2013 #128

oh really? TorchTheWitch Aug 2013 #172

HiPointDem is no longer with us. pintobean Aug 2013 #173

What caused that? Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #174

I assume this thread pintobean Aug 2013 #175

what a bunch of crap samsingh Aug 2013 #29

SYG is not a license to kill. It still has to be justifiable use of force. Bake Aug 2013 #130

in principle i see a value of 'reasonable force' - that's not what i'm seeing samsingh Aug 2013 #149

As do I. Bake Aug 2013 #150

How many specific cases can you cite hack89 Aug 2013 #160

But if there are only two people in a given encounter thucythucy Aug 2013 #157

Forensics and personal history come into play. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #162

Straw man. Bake Aug 2013 #182

No, it is a license to kill. Period! nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #159

No, you are wrong and obviously don't know the law. Bake Aug 2013 #183

... Javaman Aug 2013 #55

SYG lowers the threshold for using deadly violence. It is a fucking bad law. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #101

Why should he have to? telclaven Aug 2013 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Aug 2013 #155

Sounds legit. ileus Aug 2013 #4

He's still being charged for that. Dr. Strange Aug 2013 #8

Being engaged in unlawful activity is supposed to negate a SYG defense. Robb Aug 2013 #56

So he came at him swinging a weapon Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #6

As a minority small business owner...... rdharma Aug 2013 #7

Despite evidence I've shown to the contrary. Bazinga Aug 2013 #17

Evidence? Buwhahahhahahhahha! rdharma Aug 2013 #95

Not a rebuttal. n/t Bazinga Aug 2013 #102

No need to rebut BS! n/t rdharma Aug 2013 #104

It's hardly bs, Bazinga Aug 2013 #106

syg = blacks can kills blacks & whites can kill blacks. but blacks killing whites? less likely. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #11

I wouldn't quite say it that way. Bazinga Aug 2013 #19

Let me give you a scenario, and see what you think. thucythucy Aug 2013 #156

What's to prevent the exact same scenario from occurring under duty to retreat? Bazinga Aug 2013 #158

"What difference between your scenario..." thucythucy Aug 2013 #161

You were already talking about premeditated murder. Bazinga Aug 2013 #171

Really? rl6214 Aug 2013 #163

SYG means you don't have to walk away BainsBane Aug 2013 #9

I don't think the kid pintobean Aug 2013 #10

His friends did BainsBane Aug 2013 #12

Here's the link where Think Progress got the story. pintobean Aug 2013 #14

Is it possible... Bazinga Aug 2013 #20

SYG legalizes murder and therefore emboldens people to kill BainsBane Aug 2013 #22

Do you honestly believe that? Bazinga Aug 2013 #24

the law already allowed for self defense before SYG BainsBane Aug 2013 #26

I am not pretending there was not self-defense prior to SYG. Bazinga Aug 2013 #30

Already been the victim of life threatening assault" BainsBane Aug 2013 #121

You say that like justifiable omicides was a bad thing. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #138

No, homicide is not a good thing. BainsBane Aug 2013 #140

How would one invoke SYG if no assault ever took place? Bazinga Aug 2013 #143

Bullshit. ellisonz Aug 2013 #134

Do you really believe anything that you say? rl6214 Aug 2013 #164

You decided to dredge up a Zombie thread BainsBane Aug 2013 #179

To be fair, it was thucythucy who resurrected this thread. Bazinga Aug 2013 #181

The post you're responding to doesn't mention the 11 to 1 figure BainsBane Aug 2013 #198

And the post that rl6214 responded to didn't contain references in publications. Bazinga Aug 2013 #204

What statistics did I ignore? BainsBane Aug 2013 #205

Lol. pintobean Aug 2013 #206

Again your facts are wrong, I didn't dredge up anything rl6214 Aug 2013 #189

My facts are indeed right BainsBane Aug 2013 #199

Sure they are rl6214 Aug 2013 #209

Has anyone else considered the possibility pintobean Aug 2013 #16

If you think for a minute that SYG petition would have prevailed BainsBane Aug 2013 #27

Don't lecture me about honesty. (nt) pintobean Aug 2013 #28

so does that mean you simply do not care? BainsBane Aug 2013 #41

It means you shouldn't be pintobean Aug 2013 #44

Your little games are boring BainsBane Aug 2013 #47

My games? You never addressed my point pintobean Aug 2013 #53

You make your character crystal clear BainsBane Aug 2013 #61

You also shouldn't lecture about personal attacks. pintobean Aug 2013 #66

I'm sorry you aren't interested in discussing the subject of the OP BainsBane Aug 2013 #67

Bullshit. I commented on the OP pintobean Aug 2013 #69

That is not what I did BainsBane Aug 2013 #71

You put me on ignore right after I warned you about your security problem pintobean Aug 2013 #92

I'm with Bain's Bain on this one Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #109

Surprise, surprise. pintobean Aug 2013 #113

Yeah I won't forget Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #115

Won't forget what? pintobean Aug 2013 #116

I just read this thread and confirmed things haven't changed Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #122

I'm with pinto bean on this one. rl6214 Aug 2013 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #168

Same could be said about your post rl6214 Aug 2013 #170

OK sorry. Thought you were. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #180

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #201

It wouldn't occur to you that there existed another point of view BainsBane Aug 2013 #114

Another failed alert pintobean Aug 2013 #127

Ah, the mystery unfolds. But somehow I'm not surprised. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #133

Nice rl6214 Aug 2013 #166

Um, the raw numbers tell a different story, you don't get to make up your own facts snooper2 Aug 2013 #200

Looks like you forgot about the real world FL statistics. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #31

More bullshit BainsBane Aug 2013 #35

Show us the hard numbers behind that "fact" hack89 Aug 2013 #40

I've shown them multiple times BainsBane Aug 2013 #43

There are no hard numbers there hack89 Aug 2013 #50

You didn't read those articles. You didn't have time BainsBane Aug 2013 #59

The blog comes from your link. It is where the 11-1 figure originally comes from hack89 Aug 2013 #60

Yes BainsBane Aug 2013 #62

None of your articles give hard numbers. hack89 Aug 2013 #63

Ask me after work when I have time BainsBane Aug 2013 #64

I look forward to your further evasions. Later. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #65

If you're going to be snarky BainsBane Aug 2013 #76

I am very interested. I also have gone down this road with you before hack89 Aug 2013 #77

Here are some more sources BainsBane Aug 2013 #84

So you do have time to go back to your original thread and show me the hard numbers hack89 Aug 2013 #86

I get that you all learn this tactic BainsBane Aug 2013 #90

You made a claim you cannot back up. hack89 Aug 2013 #91

you ignore all evidence BainsBane Aug 2013 #107

Your post had no hard numbers hack89 Aug 2013 #110

aargh BainsBane Aug 2013 #117

No hack89 Aug 2013 #124

The office of civil rights has every right to investigate. Bazinga Aug 2013 #129

You provided a statistic and its source. Bazinga Aug 2013 #93

Are you actually pretending there is a moral equivlancy BainsBane Aug 2013 #85

Self defense is not murder hack89 Aug 2013 #87

SYG is not self defense BainsBane Aug 2013 #123

You still have to convince a jury of the traditional elements of self defense hack89 Aug 2013 #126

That's not true BainsBane Aug 2013 #131

We will never agree so let's end this thread, ok? nt hack89 Aug 2013 #135

After accusing me of evading BainsBane Aug 2013 #136

I am not really trying to engage you hack89 Aug 2013 #141

You obviously didn't look very closely BainsBane Aug 2013 #78

The Texas study does not mention racial disparities hack89 Aug 2013 #82

I made several points BainsBane Aug 2013 #108

I am trying get through your evasions hack89 Aug 2013 #111

The evasions are all yours BainsBane Aug 2013 #118

11-1. Where are the numbers? nt hack89 Aug 2013 #125

All those MJ graphs tell me is Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #54

Cherry pick? I used ALL W on B & B on W shootings in FL. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #75

Not according to the numbers. Bazinga Aug 2013 #32

11 to 1 BainsBane Aug 2013 #38

What you have is the distorting effects of small numbers hack89 Aug 2013 #46

Oh, so an entirely racist policing and justice system BainsBane Aug 2013 #51

In Florida, Blacks claiming SYG are acquitted at a higher rate than Whites hack89 Aug 2013 #57

More accurately, Bazinga Aug 2013 #79

Take another look at your statistic Bazinga Aug 2013 #68

11 to 1 rrneck Aug 2013 #74

How do you flat out ignore stats when forming your opinions? joeglow3 Aug 2013 #34

11 to 1 BainsBane Aug 2013 #36

Anyone can invoke it. joeglow3 Aug 2013 #37

That is the point BainsBane Aug 2013 #39

Yeah, and the "proof" of legalizing murder of blacks is weak at best joeglow3 Aug 2013 #42

Twice in this subthread I've provided sources BainsBane Aug 2013 #45

And in Florida, blacks claiming SYG are acquitted at a higher rate than whites. hack89 Aug 2013 #52

No, you are not being honest rl6214 Aug 2013 #165

If it hasn't been stated Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #139

He will deserve whatever penalty he gets pintobean Aug 2013 #145

thats fine Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #146

Some guy said ill make him trayvon 2. Some kid said f$ck you and turned the system against itself Township75 Aug 2013 #144

Sounds perfectly fine LittleBlue Aug 2013 #21

Kill! Kill! Kill! Iggo Aug 2013 #23

With a club or a gun? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #49

Both! Iggo Aug 2013 #147

The dead guy was committing an assault. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #25

Dead guy should not have been swinging a club at the innocent teen. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #33

ha.. like there is anyone who thinks almost G_j Aug 2013 #88

It seems more than a few sarisataka Aug 2013 #97

I don't think so G_j Aug 2013 #98

Holy Double Negative Batman sarisataka Aug 2013 #100

I dream of an American where once again sticking wielding maniacs can safely assault teens. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #48

Too many nuts with guns in Florida HockeyMom Aug 2013 #70

Don't assault people and you will be OK. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #80

Drive too slow in the right hand lane HockeyMom Aug 2013 #105

Do you plan on chasing and trying to assault young adults? Taitertots Aug 2013 #152

Driving too slow in the right hand lane? HockeyMom Aug 2013 #184

So, you oppose SYG because of situations where SYG doesn't apply? Taitertots Aug 2013 #185

They think SYG is an excuse to shoot somebody HockeyMom Aug 2013 #187

From what I can tell: You think that is what other people think... Taitertots Aug 2013 #188

This one is less black and white for me magical thyme Aug 2013 #72

Local news. Put it in the Gungeon. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #81

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #99

Why no charge for the illegal gun? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #112

The link says he's going to be charged for illegal possession. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #120

Gun freaks love legalised murder. 99Forever Aug 2013 #119

Doesn't sound much like he was a rl6214 Aug 2013 #169

He sounds exactly like a... 99Forever Aug 2013 #186

No he sounds like a young punk with a gun rl6214 Aug 2013 #190

Exactly. 99Forever Aug 2013 #191

Bullshit rl6214 Aug 2013 #192

Who appointed you... 99Forever Aug 2013 #194

Right back at ya rl6214 Aug 2013 #207

I thought "gun nut" = a white, racist, RW NRA member. hack89 Aug 2013 #193

Now now, you don't want to get him/her all riled up rl6214 Aug 2013 #208

Anonymously calling people cowards pintobean Aug 2013 #196

Golly gee... 99Forever Aug 2013 #197

Awful example. A "choir director" who attacked children with a large stick? DirkGently Aug 2013 #132

So, this is what happened krispos42 Aug 2013 #137

Insane law! B Calm Aug 2013 #142

Seems like a reasonable outcome to me... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #151

Gee, I was right, a crap load of replies to this one,,,,,,,,,,,,,, benld74 Aug 2013 #153

Here's how Justice Holmes analyized self-defense in 1921 in the Brown case: AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #154

Kid with illegal gun. Parents should be imprisoned first of all. valerief Aug 2013 #176

How does a parent control what a 17 year old does? pintobean Aug 2013 #178

this law gives gun huggers the edge olddots Aug 2013 #177

At what kind of church was he a choir director? Was it an anti-gay church? Freddie Stubbs Aug 2013 #195

Fucking gun nuts and property worshippers! gopiscrap Aug 2013 #202

There's probably a metric Turbineguy Aug 2013 #203