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BeyondGeography

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5. Worth a read...two cool heads are included at the end
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:50 PM
Aug 2013
Dagmar Hovestaedt is the spokeswoman for the German Stasi Records Agency, which showed 88,000 people last year what the Stasi had gathered on them. She said the U.S. should consider doing the same.

“This is a study on how to deal with the information the NSA is now gathering,” she said of her archive. "To say that the NSA is the equivalent of the Stasi is too simplistic, but the people who are spied on do have a right to know what was learned about their lives, what they had hoped to keep private that was not. Transparency is essential.”

...Stefan Wolle is the curator for Berlin’s East German Museum, which focuses in part on the actions of and reactions to the Stasi. What becomes clear when studying the information the organization gathered is the banality of evil: Simple pieces of everyday life are given much greater importance than they deserve when a secret organization makes the effort to gather the information.

“When the wall fell, I wanted to see what the Stasi had on me, on the world I knew,” he said. “A large part of what I found was nothing more than office gossip, the sort of thing people used to say around the water cooler about affairs and gripes, the sort of things that people today put in emails or texts to each other.

“The lesson,” he added, “is that when a wide net is cast, almost all of what is caught is worthless. This was the case with the Stasi. This will certainly be the case with the NSA.”

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The Stasi WERE the terrorists. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #1
Yes. That's the point. nt delrem Aug 2013 #9
The STASI were a state organization KarKar Aug 2013 #37
I'll trust his opinion, and appreciate his honesty . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #2
And the defenders get butthurt when the NSA's compared to the Stasi... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #3
+ 1000 - The Pot Calling The Kettle Black - Hurts When The Game Is Over And The Cheer Leading Ends cantbeserious Aug 2013 #4
No, intelligent people get offended because it's hyperbole. Just Saying Aug 2013 #8
So substituting computers for human operatives makes it peachy keen eridani Aug 2013 #14
I don't know how anyone can have knowledge of what the Stasi was and did Just Saying Aug 2013 #15
I'll bet that Stasi didn't start out big eridani Aug 2013 #16
Now it's the Holocaust? Just Saying Aug 2013 #21
You are right about it not being tolerated. Exactly why do you think so many eridani Aug 2013 #25
The NSA has tech the Stasi did not. They don't NEED 1 in 7 narking tkmorris Aug 2013 #17
The NSA has no authority to spy on citizens Just Saying Aug 2013 #22
Do you REALLY believe that? DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #27
I agree the Patriot Act never should have passed or continued. Just Saying Aug 2013 #49
Without saying too much DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #50
Of course the technology is better than it was 20-50 years ago. Just Saying Aug 2013 #54
To paraphrase Governor Tarkin from "Star Wars"... DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #65
Actually there is and has been some blowback on journalists eilen Aug 2013 #55
Who, when and how? Just Saying Aug 2013 #57
And just look at these replies. Do you have any doubt what these people would do under Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #34
Like we haven't figured out we can replace people with computers... dkf Aug 2013 #53
"Snowden and his allies cannot point to a single instance... Jerry442 Aug 2013 #19
I'm just not that conspiratorial. Just Saying Aug 2013 #24
Thats interesting. quakerboy Aug 2013 #29
Like others on this thread, you're comparing the NSA Just Saying Aug 2013 #48
Actually, Im not comparing anything except those two numbers, which I found coincidentally similar quakerboy Aug 2013 #62
Actually, the Stasi were gentle by comparison in many respects, at least toward the end. David__77 Aug 2013 #32
First off, you're comparing how we are dealing with prisoners of war Just Saying Aug 2013 #47
I'm aware of the Stasi techniques. David__77 Aug 2013 #59
Rather than 1 out of 73 - we've got 100% surveillance and a ONE PARTY SURVEILLANCE STATE. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #39
The final nail in that coffin was the Patriot Act DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #41
You're completely exaggerating the situation. Just Saying Aug 2013 #46
Funny how they won't even tell us "what is actually happening." And they LIE when they do chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #61
Worth a read...two cool heads are included at the end BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #5
k and r nashville_brook Aug 2013 #6
For THEM it's incomprehensible. DevonRex Aug 2013 #7
Exactly. It really makes DU look bad, which I believe is the point. tridim Aug 2013 #11
What is this "makes 'DU' look bad" stuff? David__77 Aug 2013 #33
This forum has never been about praising Russia as a beacon of freedom. tridim Aug 2013 #36
Who exactly is "praising Russia as a beacon of freedom?" DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #43
No one is. It is a BS statement. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #64
Umm.. J Edgar Hoover had official Washington terrified of his dossiers on them Fumesucker Aug 2013 #12
Convenient lapses of memory and comprehension seem to plague a certain group here. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #35
I find their naiveté shocking and depressing both. nt stillwaiting Aug 2013 #45
The point is that it could end up that way. blackspade Aug 2013 #20
"The U.S. was never that way." Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #30
How original. A "good German" reference. DevonRex Aug 2013 #31
Don't you have a short memory KarKar Aug 2013 #38
US foreign policy is pretty sick KarKar Aug 2013 #40
K&R DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #42
I always scoffed at the RW claim that "liberals hate America". JoePhilly Aug 2013 #51
+1 Just Saying Aug 2013 #52
Yes. DevonRex Aug 2013 #60
Yep. KNR. DirkGently Aug 2013 #10
but, but, "it can't/won't happen here!!!" the apologists would say stupidicus Aug 2013 #13
last year it was "he's loved abroad where his FP is conducted, not like you soft ingrates" MisterP Aug 2013 #56
lol stupidicus Aug 2013 #63
Yeah, but his girlfriend is probably a pole dancer. closeupready Aug 2013 #18
And this is *not* the only comparison coming out of Germany, woo me with science Aug 2013 #23
Too bad you're past retirement age, Colonel. The US is looking for capable men these days.. kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #26
Imagine that gopiscrap Aug 2013 #28
'height of naivete to think that once collected this information won’t be used' markiv Aug 2013 #44
That is exactly the point the defenders fail to get. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #58
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