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In reply to the discussion: Former Stasi Reaction to NSA “You know, for us, this would have been a dream come true” [View all]BeyondGeography
(40,807 posts)5. Worth a read...two cool heads are included at the end
Dagmar Hovestaedt is the spokeswoman for the German Stasi Records Agency, which showed 88,000 people last year what the Stasi had gathered on them. She said the U.S. should consider doing the same.
This is a study on how to deal with the information the NSA is now gathering, she said of her archive. "To say that the NSA is the equivalent of the Stasi is too simplistic, but the people who are spied on do have a right to know what was learned about their lives, what they had hoped to keep private that was not. Transparency is essential.
...Stefan Wolle is the curator for Berlins East German Museum, which focuses in part on the actions of and reactions to the Stasi. What becomes clear when studying the information the organization gathered is the banality of evil: Simple pieces of everyday life are given much greater importance than they deserve when a secret organization makes the effort to gather the information.
When the wall fell, I wanted to see what the Stasi had on me, on the world I knew, he said. A large part of what I found was nothing more than office gossip, the sort of thing people used to say around the water cooler about affairs and gripes, the sort of things that people today put in emails or texts to each other.
The lesson, he added, is that when a wide net is cast, almost all of what is caught is worthless. This was the case with the Stasi. This will certainly be the case with the NSA.
This is a study on how to deal with the information the NSA is now gathering, she said of her archive. "To say that the NSA is the equivalent of the Stasi is too simplistic, but the people who are spied on do have a right to know what was learned about their lives, what they had hoped to keep private that was not. Transparency is essential.
...Stefan Wolle is the curator for Berlins East German Museum, which focuses in part on the actions of and reactions to the Stasi. What becomes clear when studying the information the organization gathered is the banality of evil: Simple pieces of everyday life are given much greater importance than they deserve when a secret organization makes the effort to gather the information.
When the wall fell, I wanted to see what the Stasi had on me, on the world I knew, he said. A large part of what I found was nothing more than office gossip, the sort of thing people used to say around the water cooler about affairs and gripes, the sort of things that people today put in emails or texts to each other.
The lesson, he added, is that when a wide net is cast, almost all of what is caught is worthless. This was the case with the Stasi. This will certainly be the case with the NSA.
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Former Stasi Reaction to NSA “You know, for us, this would have been a dream come true” [View all]
kpete
Aug 2013
OP
+ 1000 - The Pot Calling The Kettle Black - Hurts When The Game Is Over And The Cheer Leading Ends
cantbeserious
Aug 2013
#4
And just look at these replies. Do you have any doubt what these people would do under
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#34
Actually, Im not comparing anything except those two numbers, which I found coincidentally similar
quakerboy
Aug 2013
#62
Actually, the Stasi were gentle by comparison in many respects, at least toward the end.
David__77
Aug 2013
#32
Rather than 1 out of 73 - we've got 100% surveillance and a ONE PARTY SURVEILLANCE STATE.
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#39
Funny how they won't even tell us "what is actually happening." And they LIE when they do
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#61
Umm.. J Edgar Hoover had official Washington terrified of his dossiers on them
Fumesucker
Aug 2013
#12
Convenient lapses of memory and comprehension seem to plague a certain group here.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#35
last year it was "he's loved abroad where his FP is conducted, not like you soft ingrates"
MisterP
Aug 2013
#56
Too bad you're past retirement age, Colonel. The US is looking for capable men these days..
kenny blankenship
Aug 2013
#26