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In reply to the discussion: Former Stasi Reaction to NSA “You know, for us, this would have been a dream come true” [View all]Just Saying
(1,799 posts)8. No, intelligent people get offended because it's hyperbole.
BERLIN At its height, the Staatssicherheit, or Stasi, employed one full-time agent for every 63 East German citizens. Taking into account unofficial informers, one out of every seven people in the communist country collaborated, in some capacity, with the secret police. There is probably no population, in all of human history, which lived under greater surveillance than those citizens of the former German Democratic Republic.
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For all the complaints about the NSA, neither Snowden nor any of his enablers in the media have pointed to any illegality or wrongdoing, a far cry from the daily excesses of the Stasi, which operated at the behest of a dictatorial political system not beholden to any sort of democratic will. Snowden and his allies cannot point to a single instance in which the NSA spying has hurt an innocent person.
Another crucial difference is the purpose of these intelligence services. The Stasi was created to monitor and, more importantly, control an entire citizenry living under the rule of a one-party state. The Stasi, sword and shield of East Germanys Socialist Unity Party, existed solely to keep that party in power, not to protect individuals. Information gleaned by the Stasi was used to defame, imprison and kill those who showed the slightest divergence from the party line.
The same can hardly be said about the NSA, which has operated continuously under Democratic and Republican presidents alike, in a country where people can say whatever they wish about the government without fear of disappearing in the dead of night.
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For all the complaints about the NSA, neither Snowden nor any of his enablers in the media have pointed to any illegality or wrongdoing, a far cry from the daily excesses of the Stasi, which operated at the behest of a dictatorial political system not beholden to any sort of democratic will. Snowden and his allies cannot point to a single instance in which the NSA spying has hurt an innocent person.
Another crucial difference is the purpose of these intelligence services. The Stasi was created to monitor and, more importantly, control an entire citizenry living under the rule of a one-party state. The Stasi, sword and shield of East Germanys Socialist Unity Party, existed solely to keep that party in power, not to protect individuals. Information gleaned by the Stasi was used to defame, imprison and kill those who showed the slightest divergence from the party line.
The same can hardly be said about the NSA, which has operated continuously under Democratic and Republican presidents alike, in a country where people can say whatever they wish about the government without fear of disappearing in the dead of night.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/absurd-attempts-call-nsa-american-stasi-article-1.1400317#ixzz2buCw3fYs
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Former Stasi Reaction to NSA “You know, for us, this would have been a dream come true” [View all]
kpete
Aug 2013
OP
+ 1000 - The Pot Calling The Kettle Black - Hurts When The Game Is Over And The Cheer Leading Ends
cantbeserious
Aug 2013
#4
And just look at these replies. Do you have any doubt what these people would do under
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#34
Actually, Im not comparing anything except those two numbers, which I found coincidentally similar
quakerboy
Aug 2013
#62
Actually, the Stasi were gentle by comparison in many respects, at least toward the end.
David__77
Aug 2013
#32
Rather than 1 out of 73 - we've got 100% surveillance and a ONE PARTY SURVEILLANCE STATE.
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#39
Funny how they won't even tell us "what is actually happening." And they LIE when they do
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#61
Umm.. J Edgar Hoover had official Washington terrified of his dossiers on them
Fumesucker
Aug 2013
#12
Convenient lapses of memory and comprehension seem to plague a certain group here.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#35
last year it was "he's loved abroad where his FP is conducted, not like you soft ingrates"
MisterP
Aug 2013
#56
Too bad you're past retirement age, Colonel. The US is looking for capable men these days..
kenny blankenship
Aug 2013
#26