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pipi_k

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Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:06 AM

Aug 2013

One thing I wanted to mention was that whether or not Ms Winfrey wrote that book is not my point.

My point is that there are things in it that can be, and maybe are, offensive to many people.

Does she actually read the books she hawks on her show? Or does she pay someone to read them for her and give her a brief "Cliff's Notes" version of them?

If she doesn't read them, then she's a bit of a fraud.

If she DOES read them, then it must have struck her at some point that it's offensive to blame people for their circumstances and for their poverty.

Did she encounter racism that day in the shop? Who knows for sure. She feels she did. And, if what that book says is true (and she promoted it on her show) about people attracting into their lives exactly what they put out, then she herself must be a racist. Right?

A racist would naturally attract racism from others. Right?

Or would she get a pass on being a racist because she's black?

What is the answer here?

Did she attract what she is herself?

Or does she hawk bullshit on her show? Which would be a whole other matter in terms of bullshitting lots of people...

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I love handbags [View all] BainsBane Aug 2013 OP

This is the very bag Oprah wanted to look at BainsBane Aug 2013 #1

Sorry.....not looking at the handbag. yourout Aug 2013 #2

Seriously? n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #14

Oh you're such a MAN NuclearDem Aug 2013 #96

Perhaps because the purchase of that bag Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #3

because no shop clerk tells white women they can't afford expensive bags BainsBane Aug 2013 #6

Just a guess - Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #16

I tend to agree that it looks like an ordinary bag BainsBane Aug 2013 #138

The coverage must have been in media I don't read/listen to. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #177

I am one DUer that likes the Daily Mail. RebelOne Aug 2013 #17

Just be aware it's a right-wing tabloid BainsBane Aug 2013 #55

I think I can detect Right-Wing sentiments. WinkyDink Aug 2013 #86

I like The Daily Mail.... Little Star Aug 2013 #174

well, it is, really. BainsBane Aug 2013 #195

I read it...daily! WinkyDink Aug 2013 #85

i like it also Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #133

The hell they don't pipi_k Aug 2013 #53

The only reply in that case was, "That would be for you on your salary, Shopgirl." WinkyDink Aug 2013 #87

^^^^ this happens ^^^^ daily ^^^^ clerks -just- know ^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #89

Then how come they didnt know O had $$$ ?? lunasun Aug 2013 #128

Yes, I agree it doesn't - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #178

So do you believe Oprah's treatment had nothing to do with race? BainsBane Aug 2013 #95

Here's what I believe... pipi_k Aug 2013 #102

Sexism, in buying a handbag? BainsBane Aug 2013 #108

The reference to pipi_k Aug 2013 #187

We're supposed to take pity on a billionaire duffyduff Aug 2013 #115

She said she was dressed as usual--in designer clothes. tblue37 Aug 2013 #192

+1 PotatoChip Aug 2013 #194

"enough experience with racist snubs to recognize one" RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #233

When I shop for a car, I wear the raggediest clothes I own. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #216

Years ago... pipi_k Aug 2013 #223

I know lots of people like that. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #224

"because no shop clerk tells white women they can't afford expensive bags" ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #122

My mother and I are white and when I was in high school pnwmom Aug 2013 #235

Not true. Any shop in the same league as the shop being discussed avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #141

Honestly, I wouldn't even go in such a shop BainsBane Aug 2013 #143

Evidently, Oprah show is not broadcast there. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #149

If you nicely tell them you're "just browsing today" they usually respond very kindly and let you be bettyellen Aug 2013 #186

A shoe store clerk once told my mother and me that we couldn't afford their boots. pnwmom Aug 2013 #234

If that is a bag that sells for $38K, someone got taken. CurtEastPoint Aug 2013 #4

I really do not see 38K there and I love my handbags. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #28

And you KNOW it cost pennies to make duffyduff Aug 2013 #110

I agree. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #243

38.000?!?! burnodo Aug 2013 #5

Fail BainsBane Aug 2013 #8

really? burnodo Aug 2013 #10

No, not to me BainsBane Aug 2013 #12

Well, Target was just a generic reference. burnodo Aug 2013 #15

No BainsBane Aug 2013 #66

One of my favorite purses came from Target dflprincess Aug 2013 #124

"There is no fucking way I'd be caught dead with a Target bag." lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #218

A homeless family could live a year on that. Cleita Aug 2013 #41

that is the average retirement pension income of a teacher where I live after nearly roguevalley Aug 2013 #71

Not rich by any means, but... pipi_k Aug 2013 #184

ditto, my angel roguevalley Aug 2013 #197

By buying cheap imported products made in sweatshops BainsBane Aug 2013 #135

I guess we shouldn't buy food either because it's harvested by cheap immigrant labor. Cleita Aug 2013 #185

Well, as soon as you look for a big price break- you're helping ensure lower wages or bettyellen Aug 2013 #188

You are clearly uninformed on the point BainsBane Aug 2013 #204

You are suggesting that the Target bag won't carry and contain purse-stuffing? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #217

Oh yeah! pipi_k Aug 2013 #225

I have several purses. I like them as well. But I've never paid over $44 for a purse, and Zorra Aug 2013 #13

Sounds like you are wasting money having several purses you don't need BainsBane Aug 2013 #20

By that reasoning you shouldn't have a purse at all. Cleita Aug 2013 #46

So it's okay for someone to buy five cheap purses BainsBane Aug 2013 #83

You haven't really followed the issue here. Cleita Aug 2013 #88

Thanks for taking the time to explain BainsBane Aug 2013 #91

Here's the thing...I like Oprah and am very disturbed about the racism she experienced Zorra Aug 2013 #69

Obviously to normal people that kind of expense is inconceivable BainsBane Aug 2013 #92

That is one FUGLY bag BuelahWitch Aug 2013 #58

Well, you wouldn't buy it BainsBane Aug 2013 #60

I have no problem with Oprah looking at a FUGLY bag BuelahWitch Aug 2013 #65

You made the comment BainsBane Aug 2013 #70

hey you didn't accuse me of being racist, BB Skittles Aug 2013 #105

You want me to kick her ass too? BainsBane Aug 2013 #159

For $38,000, I could buy a nice car. PADemD Aug 2013 #117

you wouldn't give it to the poor instead ? JI7 Aug 2013 #139

My car is 11 years old. PADemD Aug 2013 #144

so is mines, but unlike some other poor we still have a car JI7 Aug 2013 #147

I'd carry the car around on my arm to show people that I can afford a $38,000 car. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #220

I can't imagine why anyone needs a car that expensive BainsBane Aug 2013 #152

I would have some left over after buying the car I want tabbycat31 Aug 2013 #219

Anyone paying 38 Large for that thing... greytdemocrat Aug 2013 #72

You see, it's not how WE perceive that bag. The wealthy recognize the price..uh designer! Blaukraut Aug 2013 #76

Maybe she just thought it was pretty BainsBane Aug 2013 #154

Agreed BuelahWitch Aug 2013 #78

This is definitely the way to go, much better for the economy BainsBane Aug 2013 #155

The bag was designed for Jennifer Aniston (it's called the "Jennifer") and it doesn't cost $38,000. Beacool Aug 2013 #121

It depends avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #151

OMG. What a fugly bag. Ilsa Aug 2013 #127

I remember my junior high classmates in the '70s wore bags like Aniston's BuelahWitch Aug 2013 #131

Looks like a basic bag to me, not ugly but not particularly noteworthy. BainsBane Aug 2013 #136

Does that bag come with $37,925 in cash in it? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2013 #134

Thirty-eight THOUSAND dollars - for that??? calimary Aug 2013 #183

I'm told that one is actually closer to $3000 BainsBane Aug 2013 #200

Sheesh - still WAY too high. calimary Aug 2013 #201

The one advantage is that it's made in Italy as opposed to a Chinese sweatshop BainsBane Aug 2013 #205

Bag..theres a bag? That's Anniston...Oooo Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #199

Seriously? It's UGLY! AndyA Aug 2013 #206

I guess it's a different version of the bag BainsBane Aug 2013 #210

Is that it? I'm no handbag expert, but it looks rather ordinary....dare I say it...ugly. nt lunamagica Aug 2013 #226

What is the second one? senseandsensibility Aug 2013 #7

I got it for about $260 after the coupon BainsBane Aug 2013 #9

No way would I pay $260 for a purse even with a coupon. RebelOne Aug 2013 #19

Yes, I see avoiding the issue is incredibly important to some BainsBane Aug 2013 #24

no one is avoiding the issue. they are discussing another one. Paying 40K for a roguevalley Aug 2013 #74

See, I don't think what's fucked is what people buy BainsBane Aug 2013 #137

The second one is also a Brahmin BainsBane Aug 2013 #11

I just did some shopping and found a cute cross-body Brahmin on Dillard's site senseandsensibility Aug 2013 #21

That's my view BainsBane Aug 2013 #29

What kind of moron doesn't realize that Oprah can afford whatever she wants? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #18

They know she can afford it BainsBane Aug 2013 #26

...In Manhattan? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #29

What? BainsBane Aug 2013 #42

I haven't really been paying attention to the story, to be honest. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #45

Obviously the clerk didn't know her BainsBane Aug 2013 #52

A "moron" that has no clue who she is. Beacool Aug 2013 #125

Serious question: Did the event take place in Switzerland? I'm asking because I missed the story. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #126

She was in Zurich for Tina Turner's wedding. Beacool Aug 2013 #129

Oh, okay. That makes a bit more sense. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #130

Good post. And that $38,000 is probably not even close to her daily interest earned on her fortune R B Garr Aug 2013 #22

Spending $38,000 on a handbag is sickening no matter what color you are. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #23

By all means, post your outrage about Jennifer Aniston BainsBane Aug 2013 #25

It's not outrage. Bonobo Aug 2013 #56

What is most sickening BainsBane Aug 2013 #62

That's fine. Bonobo Aug 2013 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Aug 2013 #64

I agree rape and rape apology is sickening. Bonobo Aug 2013 #68

Okay, let me try again BainsBane Aug 2013 #80

I wish your attempt at talking to me about my post Bonobo Aug 2013 #81

I apologize for raising the issue here out of context BainsBane Aug 2013 #84

Seems to me what is far more problematic BainsBane Aug 2013 #67

Aniston bought a much less expensive bag, not the the $35,000 bag Oprah was interested in. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #148

Better than spending 4 Million to lock a pot smoker in a room until he drinks his own urine. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #33

+1 nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #38

I'm too rough on purses to ever spend sufrommich Aug 2013 #27

Well, that is the chief reason to get a good bag BainsBane Aug 2013 #35

That must have been some party! sufrommich Aug 2013 #43

Same here pipi_k Aug 2013 #73

to each their own Skittles Aug 2013 #31

Scheduling Skittles for an ass kicking BainsBane Aug 2013 #32

You're not the only one. n/t tammywammy Aug 2013 #34

They are. nt Cleita Aug 2013 #50

truly. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #90

Why don't you show us a handbag that meets your discerning taste then? BainsBane Aug 2013 #161

I do too.... pipi_k Aug 2013 #104

Yeah, they aren't designer BainsBane Aug 2013 #160

so they're not pipi_k Aug 2013 #182

They are made by a family owned business BainsBane Aug 2013 #208

Cool, but... pipi_k Aug 2013 #215

Simply not true theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #36

I'm here enough to know what outrages people BainsBane Aug 2013 #39

So you admit you made an uniformed statement? theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #49

I think the main difference here is that Oprah was denied the potential purchase R B Garr Aug 2013 #51

That has nothing to do with my post theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #54

I see, sort of, but the conspicuous consumption of the uber-wealthy is really a sidebar R B Garr Aug 2013 #61

I'll agree it is a sidebar discussion - Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #82

Exactly. theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #94

I think you mean when they are non-white, because this is what she said: R B Garr Aug 2013 #97

My post was made in repsonse to a very specific statement theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #93

Okay, but you took one sentence and basically changed the intention of the entire OP R B Garr Aug 2013 #100

Thank you for clarifying my post BainsBane Aug 2013 #166

Sure! I just thought it was very brave of you to post this personal insight into your tastes R B Garr Aug 2013 #198

I did not say there had never been outrage about conspicuous consumption BainsBane Aug 2013 #165

People have been denying the role of race BainsBane Aug 2013 #59

actually, I am curious now. what number is the post where they deny race here. Thanks. roguevalley Aug 2013 #77

I repost one in the African American group (without link or reference to the poster's name) BainsBane Aug 2013 #98

another post is number 202 BainsBane Aug 2013 #209

where is the denial? Jeez, point to the number on the thread roguevalley Aug 2013 #75

I already gave you that information BainsBane Aug 2013 #162

Yeah, and the finger-wag and the armchair quarterback are central moves in the exercise regimen. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #40

I buy my shirts at Costco and rarely pay more than 35 bucks for a pair of shoes. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #37

It IS her business. Bonobo Aug 2013 #57

It'd have to be one hell of a bag, I tell you what. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #111

The $200,000 Birkin bag carried by other celebrities BainsBane Aug 2013 #163

If I was as rich as Oprah, I'm sure I'd find questionable stuff to spend ridiculous sums o money on. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #169

Do you know how to fly it? BainsBane Aug 2013 #170

Heh. No. I flew a Cessna once for about 10 minutes. Seemed fairly intuitive but it freaked me out. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #171

You could also take all the lessons you would need BainsBane Aug 2013 #172

Yah. What you said! 'Zakly! Everyone spends pnwest Aug 2013 #44

If I had 38K to burn I'd buy a professional espresso machine and one of those crazy massage chairs Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #47

I bought the only purse I own at a discount store five years ago. Cleita Aug 2013 #48

That top one, the dark brown is sicc! bravenak Aug 2013 #79

I dismiss neither the racism directed at Oprah nor the horror of global class disparity. antigone382 Aug 2013 #99

this post deserves its own OP. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #103

I don't know about that...it's just something I rattled out. antigone382 Aug 2013 #112

I don't resent it but, as another human being on the face of this earth I can look and watch and say Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #116

No, I don't deny that a bag is a privilege at a lower income level BainsBane Aug 2013 #107

My point is that we need to point out how obscene our own purchases are globally. antigone382 Aug 2013 #120

There is also the issue that our economy is now based entirely on consumption BainsBane Aug 2013 #156

Yes, and that is precisely the problem. antigone382 Aug 2013 #179

It's not a derailment. BainsBane Aug 2013 #212

+1000 lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #222

Didn't Beyonce buy a Bugatti Veyron? That's $1 million plus. flvegan Aug 2013 #101

Who is the idiot? BainsBane Aug 2013 #167

The clerk, of course. flvegan Aug 2013 #181

I agree BainsBane Aug 2013 #211

If this were Ann Romney you'd be complaining about it duffyduff Aug 2013 #106

Oprah isn't running for President BainsBane Aug 2013 #109

You aren't making sense, but then again your original post doesn't, either duffyduff Aug 2013 #113

That's the issue if you are determined to deny racism BainsBane Aug 2013 #118

huh? interviewer asked her_MSM picked up the story lunasun Aug 2013 #132

Do you hate Jennifer Aniston too? BainsBane Aug 2013 #142

Carried the same bag since 1990 abelenkpe Aug 2013 #114

Has to be a good bag to last that long BainsBane Aug 2013 #119

These are the handbags that Oprah was looking at. Beacool Aug 2013 #123

There is a picture above with Jennifer Aniston carrying that same bag BainsBane Aug 2013 #140

Jeniffer's bag doesn't look the same. It doesn't appear to be made of crocodile skin. LisaL Aug 2013 #145

Could be. I came across it on the Daily Mail through a google image search BainsBane Aug 2013 #146

I found the whole line of bags Tom Ford named for Jennifer Aniston. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #150

Well, then she didn't buy that bag at all BainsBane Aug 2013 #153

You are making an assumption. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #157

So you're saying you think Aniston has a line of handbags named for her BainsBane Aug 2013 #158

It's not the same, it's regular leather. Beacool Aug 2013 #189

Yeah, but the one Jennifer is wearing doesn't cost as much. Beacool Aug 2013 #190

Oprah should just go to ebags.com and invest the rest. knitter4democracy Aug 2013 #193

Everything in that picture is tacky from her shoes to the bags to her pants snooper2 Aug 2013 #221

I don't mind the jacket, but the pants got to go. Beacool Aug 2013 #232

The bigger the bag, the harder it is to find any one specific item in it. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #164

definitely BainsBane Aug 2013 #168

BainsBane JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #173

I have always loved handbags and shoes. I also think Oprah can spend whatever she... Little Star Aug 2013 #175

The elephant in the room, here, is that there is racism in Switzerland. MADem Aug 2013 #176

I love bags and shoes etherealtruth Aug 2013 #180

KnR. BTW, I really like that second bag. tblue37 Aug 2013 #191

Here is the link BainsBane Aug 2013 #196

Racism is bad. Oprah is a poor example of a victim of it. Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #202

Oprah is a drama queen and an egomaniac to boot duffyduff Aug 2013 #203

I'm thinking you really aren't in a position to point fingers BainsBane Aug 2013 #207

The first woman to own her own network, that's who... Phentex Aug 2013 #239

First world problem, in spades. nt MineralMan Aug 2013 #213

So is Oprah full of shit? pipi_k Aug 2013 #214

Oprah didn't write the Secret BainsBane Aug 2013 #228

My pipi_k Aug 2013 #236

PS... pipi_k Aug 2013 #240

"A racist would naturally attract racism"? BainsBane Aug 2013 #241

Oprah is clueless... lunamagica Aug 2013 #230

This is one reason why pipi_k Aug 2013 #238

I'd never heard of hardbags costing that much. Sometimes I go to Nordstrom and see shoes and hanbags lunamagica Aug 2013 #227

A lot of celebrities carry Birkin bags. They can cost up to $200K. BainsBane Aug 2013 #229

WHOAH! What is that they say about a fool ad his money? lunamagica Aug 2013 #231

I love bags too. But here's what I don't get about the "It's not racism" comments. nolabear Aug 2013 #237

Some actually did deny racism in the Trayvon Martin murder BainsBane Aug 2013 #242

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I knew this was out here somewhere JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #245