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hfojvt

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12. it is kinda hard to get "real time reporting" of facts
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:58 AM
Aug 2013

I kinda like to wait a few days - for the dust to settle, for the truth to come out.

Further, how does one determine the truth. Here's an example.

Suppose you read this piece in The Nation which is linked to, quoted and discussed here http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2013/08/dubliners-too-liberals-this-time.html


When Professor Williams writes this " in a fact-free “demonstration” during final argument, O’Mara-as-Martin dropped a huge chunk of concrete, bigger and more jagged than a cinder block, in front of the jury box—as though onto Zimmerman—from a great and death-dealing height."

How do you know if that is true or not, unless you watched a bunch of the trial?

People state things that they think are fact from sources they think they can trust. When lots of sources really cannot be trusted.

Another example, my little dispute with the great Krugman. Krugman has written that ATRA decreases inequality and I dispute that. Rather than argue with logic or facts, the two responses I got were name-calling and mockery. Who am I, one wrote, to think he could argue with an expert like Krugman? If Krugman says that permanent tax cuts for the rich reduces inequality then by God, it MUST be true. He oughta know. He's a perfesser, for God's sake.

Again, people seem to get their "facts" from sources, from "experts" rather than doing the math themself.

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it is kinda hard to get "real time reporting" of facts hfojvt Aug 2013 #12
Bullshit. People distinguish fact from fiction after experience delrem Aug 2013 #13
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