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ljm2002

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194. I think it's catapulting the propaganda...

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:36 PM

Aug 2013

...and attempting to control the discussion. A distraction campaign to keep us from organizing? No, I don't think it reaches that level.

It's damned annoying though. I really don't have a problem with people expressing different viewpoints. I understand why many people view both Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden as criminals, or worse, traitors, because they broke their oaths to protect classified information. I don't agree with it, but I can understand and respect the position. What I cannot understand nor respect is the bulldozer approach to discussion, where threads are overrun with a high volume of information / misinformation / disinformation, much of it irrelevant to whatever discussion it appears in, and attempts to smear anyone and everyone who holds a different viewpoint, along with implying that we must share 100% the political views of anyone whose position we support on a single issue. It very much detracts from the experience at DU. And putting people on Ignore is no solution, as it allows the falsehoods and nasty tactics to go unremarked.

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I am getting sick and fucking tired of hearing that anyone opposed to NSA domestic . . . . [View all] Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 OP

It needed to be said. Thank you for saying it. Autumn Aug 2013 #1

Wait ProSense Aug 2013 #2

I swear, it's like you're *immune* to logic. Marr Aug 2013 #10

Kick and rec if you support the proposed NSA reforms. ProSense Aug 2013 #21

The reforms are weak which has been pointed out to you countless times. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #73

It's amost as if she believes listening doesn't pay. last1standing Aug 2013 #74

And some people believe they get more buck for their bang by posting in quantity, not quality. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2013 #147

+1 Whoa. Is THAT ever true: Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #254

...and any amount of reforms would still be weak to the GG is god stokers, what difference uponit7771 Aug 2013 #103

Snark like yours adds zip to the conversation. Do you have any comments Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #107

Guess the OP flew right over your head. cui bono Aug 2013 #162

You're responding to someone who thinks universal healthcare and public schools are conservative. last1standing Aug 2013 #222

How do you feel about the massive surveillance programs Ron Wyden has been trying to warn sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #218

The ones that will be overseen by Clapper? For a day or so we were hopeful, then the Fox sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #219

Some people around here will call you a racist apologist if you agree with one word that stillwaiting Aug 2013 #22

She's not rewarded for being logical LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #38

What do logic and propaganda have to do with each other? last1standing Aug 2013 #43

I think they get vaccinated for the job. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #64

It's like automatic. A response is posted even if it doesnt pertain. Must get a response posted. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #185

Yes, seems designed to muddy the waters,. to make actual debate impossible. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #199

Most often a link back to another post bobduca Aug 2013 #213

Unless it is done by a bot KurtNYC Aug 2013 #252

The New Civil Rights Movement: against spying, lying, wars, ProCheney-ProAuthoritarian BS. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #12

"We're for what democracy in general, and Democrats in particular are supposed to stand for." ProSense Aug 2013 #30

Just stop slandering DU'er's. This has NOTHING THE FUCK to do with RAND PAUL. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #66

She just can't stand it that some people don't think Obama is perfect. lark Aug 2013 #180

LOL! ProSense Aug 2013 #205

Oh brother. Non one is fucking "slandering DU'er's." ProSense Aug 2013 #204

I AGREE! FUCK RAND PAUL!!!! cascadiance Aug 2013 #245

I have beened Cryptoad Aug 2013 #82

"I never thought I would have to fight in here. . " LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #171

Bull Cryptoad Aug 2013 #172

Agreed, the corporate-military spook supporters are the only ones bringing up the Pauls. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #200

And the Carlyle Group-owned, PNAC-led Booz Allen got $2 billion, courtesy of Obama. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #20

"ProSense hearts Poppy Bush/Carlyle Group/PNAC/James Woolsey" ljm2002 Aug 2013 #67

Obama's second term: A productive six months. ProSense Aug 2013 #75

You are the one who repeatedly does guilt-by-association... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #80

Do you support the massive surveillance program Ron Wyden, a Democrat who I fully support btw sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #221

I do not think that is true. Th1onein Aug 2013 #161

Well I don't either... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #167

You think that there is an effort to "catapult the propaganda" here, or Th1onein Aug 2013 #189

I think it's catapulting the propaganda... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #194

You are right on point,. the attempt is to muddy the debate, and make treads unreadable / useless. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #203

Oh, now that's just dishonest. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #29

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #51

"Please don't act like we're stupid. " ProSense Aug 2013 #59

You IGNORE the OP and post more pro-non-sense,. . unrelated noise, useless links to self,. . Civilization2 Aug 2013 #206

You just can't stop yourself can you? East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #127

OMG... just fucking stop already. cui bono Aug 2013 #160

You know what: ProSense Aug 2013 #179

"people who believe nonsense" NealK Aug 2013 #187

The OP is not about Snowden not being a Paulite David Krout Aug 2013 #177

SSDD lark Aug 2013 #178

Just wow! Reading is fundamental,. the OP crushed you BEFORE you commented,. wow! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #198

So, if Assange and Greenwald wear a red tie than all people who wear red ties are Paulites? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #211

And why should we care about any of that? This President has no problems with Repulicans sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #217

LOL! I can almost guarantee you won't get a straight answer to that question. last1standing Aug 2013 #223

It's astounding, isn't it? The incredible childishness of it all. That they actually think people sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #226

Don't worry, tomorrow there will be an entirely new angle blasted through the forums. last1standing Aug 2013 #228

I think the money being spent is most likely going to Security Contractors to try to smear sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #235

Speaking of serial killers, do any of you religiously believe in Ayn Rand's obsession with one? cascadiance Aug 2013 #246

Quote, "if you're inclined to throw it at me, Fuck You." grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #239

K n R n2doc Aug 2013 #3

Their goal is not to convince anyone of anything bvar22 Aug 2013 #135

I really hate to think this, bvar, but I am slowly coming to the conclusion that it might be true. Th1onein Aug 2013 #164

I'm inclined to agree. I've noticed these little exit detours are almost always posted Marr Aug 2013 #188

Yup, you noticed a key tactic, the "exit path link", designed to pull eyes OFF the offending truth! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #208

Chomsky explains it: Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #227

^^ +1. . . . . n/t annabanana Aug 2013 #248

It's almost funny-- this tiny, vacuum-sealed group points at everyone outside their tiny bubble Marr Aug 2013 #4

yes, it's exactly the same behavior I monitored at freerepublic.. grasswire Aug 2013 #40

Well it worked so well for them. zeemike Aug 2013 #41

Monty Python did a good bit about this Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #58

Are you now, or have you ever been, in a romantic relationship with a pole dancer? Newsjock Aug 2013 #5

yes... KoKo Aug 2013 #76

I wouldn't call my relationships with pole dancers as romantic hootinholler Aug 2013 #105

A vehement K&R followed by a Bonobo Aug 2013 #6

all this talk about paul this and paul that and paulites makes me think BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #7

Powerful and recommended. Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #8

K to the friggin R! A pox on all this neo-McCarthyism masquerading as HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #9

I'm with you. marble falls Aug 2013 #13

I'm not that partisan 90-percent Aug 2013 #11

I've been on a fair amount the past week - TBF Aug 2013 #14

I agree with what you have said. Skidmore Aug 2013 #28

They've all been screwing the same pooch pscot Aug 2013 #139

Absolutely true alarimer Aug 2013 #15

100% with you. WinkyDink Aug 2013 #16

K & R n/t RoccoR5955 Aug 2013 #17

I'd say that 99.9% of DUers are opposed to domestic spying. randome Aug 2013 #18

Meh, it's just another desperate attempt to marginalize concern about the NSA's activities. winter is coming Aug 2013 #19

I would assume some of them actually know what is really going on, and is it much worse! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #209

Spot on. go west young man Aug 2013 #23

I also wanted to add this great post from Sabrina1 in regards to this matter from yesterday. go west young man Aug 2013 #27

yes, Bush and Obama both have that wrong grasswire Aug 2013 #46

^^^^This^^^^ truebluegreen Aug 2013 #150

She definitely nailed it. +! KoKo Aug 2013 #83

I am hoping that in upcoming election cycles, NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #98

I agree. Sabrina1 really nailed it with that post. bvar22 Aug 2013 #144

Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Lindsey Graham love mass surveillance. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #24

You are pure then when it comes to name calling right? treestar Aug 2013 #25

do you have links to the OP calling others on this board names? would be instructive to see them. niyad Aug 2013 #37

It would be very instructive Autumn Aug 2013 #56

believe me, not holding my breath for that. niyad Aug 2013 #57

That's your entire thinking on the subject? A bunch of personal snark at the OP and an emoticon? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #42

Your snarky reply is a good example of the problem that the OP is talking about. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #88

... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #108

You would know, you are one of the worst. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #121

You are wasting my time. sibelian Aug 2013 #258

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #26

Ya nailed it Stinky and Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2013 #31

Its a disgusting logical fallacy Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #32

k and r niyad Aug 2013 #33

Fuck the libertarians, fuck the surveillance state, and SHAME on those Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #34

+1 sarcasmo Aug 2013 #44

It's like they've never heard of an ad hominim attack before Salviati Aug 2013 #94

That it can occur here at all, in any form, much less consistently, is as frightening as the Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #173

yes it is. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #176

Just remember, if you've done nothing wrong, well you have nothing to fear DainBramaged Aug 2013 #35

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #36

K&R G_j Aug 2013 #39

BIG K&R LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #45

"We're your conscience." gulliver Aug 2013 #47

They're using basic propaganda techniques to demonize the enemy. last1standing Aug 2013 #48

yep,it's ugly stuff grasswire Aug 2013 #50

If there is, these people couldn't afford tuition. last1standing Aug 2013 #53

and the paranoia grasswire Aug 2013 #54

They're giving Paul and Libertarianism lots of publicity leftstreet Aug 2013 #65

Yes they are. last1standing Aug 2013 #102

thank you, Sailor! nt grasswire Aug 2013 #49

The Propagandists are trying to put us on the defensive AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #52

I'm against that kind of abuse now as I was when it was Bush doing it. I can't brewens Aug 2013 #55

I agree—spying is wrong.... No matter who is in the White House... midnight Aug 2013 #60

Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #61

Exactly. This is McCarthyist tactics. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #120

SnowGlenn are Paulite Paulbots... Whisp Aug 2013 #62

...so says a snot splasher nonpareil. nt grasswire Aug 2013 #155

I don't support some whack-a-do thieves and charlatans Whisp Aug 2013 #156

Come on, Whisp, you know better than this kind of post. Th1onein Aug 2013 #165

There is no wholesale government spying on Americans. Whisp Aug 2013 #166

I love your certainty. "There is no wholesale government spying on Americans." rhett o rick Aug 2013 #190

you know how I'm so certain? Whisp Aug 2013 #193

Let's look at your logic. Because some idiots claimed Obama was born in Kenya rhett o rick Aug 2013 #230

Whisp! Even the government has admitted that they are collecting everything! Th1onein Aug 2013 #191

You fail when you get to "adore and trust" them. morningfog Aug 2013 #174

Maybe the party was taken over by George Wallace Democrats. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #63

Go Stinky! You rock! nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #68

You would think The Philosopher Aug 2013 #69

I wholeheartedly agree Stinky. mick063 Aug 2013 #70

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #71

Sad times Loudestlib Aug 2013 #72

Nice post. You are one of many, many lifetime Democrats who are seriously wondering what sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #238

The best thing about calling out the Pauls and their supporters is that ProSense Aug 2013 #77

Start a rebuttal thread. You're like a fart in a wondstorm here. Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #81

There is nothing to rebut except the strawman claim, which I ProSense Aug 2013 #92

Your trope is broke, your meme is maimed, your brand is burned.... Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #104

Look at the rec's and it is done. Autumn Aug 2013 #114

Here's another thread ProSense Aug 2013 #143

That was a good OP. Autumn Aug 2013 #148

Man, you're now reduced to spelling barbs. Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #183

Some value principles over principals. Imagine that. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #86

An enthusiastic K&R! n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #78

If someone is for NSA spying simply because Paul is for it they are thinking like the Tea Party. Kablooie Aug 2013 #79

I think they have moved on to other equally lame talking points 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #84

The facepalming one: mick063 Aug 2013 #95

Right on! damnedifIknow Aug 2013 #85

K&R! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #87

Not everyone. But most certainly the "heroes" Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #89

Thank you for saying what I've been thinking. crim son Aug 2013 #90

INDEED! tblue Aug 2013 #91

K and F'ing R Hydra Aug 2013 #93

We are all sick of it. But by now, most people just ignore it and focus on trying to get something sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #96

It's just plain juvenile and stupid, and Zorra Aug 2013 #97

Hear hear! East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #99

On the issue of security vs privacy, there is a huge gender gap. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #100

There lies the problem.......... Historic NY Aug 2013 #111

You dont think that shift could have anything to do with Egnever Aug 2013 #130

Those polls asked two different questions JHB Aug 2013 #159

You are a jackass. You complain other Dems create divisions on NSA Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #101

Ah, the direct namecalling. A wonderful feature of your work. Do you really think it elevates your Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #106

Just getting tired of the fake condescension. Most of you are extremely flawed individuals too Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #109

What do you mean by 'most of you'? Do you mean gay people? I'm just one guy. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #116

You're not a very forgiving person, are you? Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #119

How is that obvious? Why would I have a 'grudge' against some internet poster? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #151

I reject that bullshit too, bvar22 Aug 2013 #196

Jury voted 3-3 to leave a direct ad-hominem attack. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #122

The whole OP was ad hominem attack on DU'ers who disagree with him. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #126

Really BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #152

You certainly are on a roll! zappaman Aug 2013 #163

A Kaiser roll? Rex Aug 2013 #225

Duh. zappaman Aug 2013 #236

Why I no longer participate in that system nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #136

I know where you're coming from. Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #134

By the way, your transparency page is showing. Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #182

OUCH. bvar22 Aug 2013 #197

He's coming from the grave. Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #229

i found it. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #237

What a mess of an OP BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #110

No, the OP means that if we believe the NSA is spying on us LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #132

There's a lot that's blatantly obvious in that stinky chocolate box of an OP BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #149

The democratic party leadership has been running away from civil liberties issues since Nixon. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #112

k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #113

They take their cue from Obama and the crowded space under his aircraft carrier sized bus MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #115

you will also be accused of being a foreign agent for China. hows that one eh? nt msongs Aug 2013 #117

K&R! This authoritarian, McCarthyist tactic needs to be a TOS violation. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #118

Lololol. You crack me up Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #124

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #123

DURec. bvar22 Aug 2013 #125

Two words heard from a local party insider nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #128

Seems to me the ones talking about it are the ones "sick" of it. DevonRex Aug 2013 #129

They are projecting AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #131

Well said, Stinky The Clown. Octafish Aug 2013 #133

REC #200 nt alp227 Aug 2013 #137

And I care what you are sick and tired of why? Egnever Aug 2013 #138

Hooray for Stinky The Clown!! I remember tsuki Aug 2013 #140

the K and the R.... mike_c Aug 2013 #141

The depraved 'association smear' is a favorite of partisan hacks whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #142

We sir, are not just the Democrats conscience.. 99Forever Aug 2013 #145

they're angry and they've got nothing. Phlem Aug 2013 #146

Stasi-bot, sycophant, cheerleader, pom pomer, apologist, authoritarian... Whisp Aug 2013 #153

If only the Stasi-bot, sycophant, cheerleader, pom pomer, apologist, authoritarian ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #251

It seems like there are only two choices left here: "Obama Apologist" or "Obama Hater" arcane1 Aug 2013 #154

K&R There is a lot of 'Left Baiting' felix_numinous Aug 2013 #157

Amen! nradisic Aug 2013 #158

Hear hear! Note that those who excuse this tend to also excuse......... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #168

Damn right Stinky The Clown!! Howler Aug 2013 #169

I am getting fucking sick and tired of supposed liberal Democrats baldguy Aug 2013 #170

+1 SunSeeker Aug 2013 #224

248 Rec's so far. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #175

knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #181

I question the motives of those who question our motives. DirkGently Aug 2013 #184

Seconded! Quantess Aug 2013 #186

Please, please tell me our government wouldnt lie to us. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #192

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #195

Thank you Stinky the Clown n/t dflprincess Aug 2013 #201

Meh. We were already kicked out for complaining about Heritage Care. Doctor_J Aug 2013 #202

Imagine this story breaking between 2001-2008 madville Aug 2013 #207

It did, and no one gave a shit. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #232

For someone who wasn't here - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #234

LOL. The poster I was replying to was here since 2005... SunSeeker Aug 2013 #241

Fuck em. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #210

Kick and Rec. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #212

Couldn't agree more Stinky! Oakenshield Aug 2013 #214

I am against the spying Eko Aug 2013 #215

Well said, Stinky! Swiperthefox Aug 2013 #216

Indeed Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2013 #220

K&R Eyerish Aug 2013 #231

A Bipartisan POLICE STATE... blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #233

I love you, baby!!!! Time to seperate the wheat from the chaffe. grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #240

Happy to K&R this. nt laundry_queen Aug 2013 #242

You're just an insulting fellow. great white snark Aug 2013 #243

K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #244

BAM!.. Thank you Stinky! annabanana Aug 2013 #247

The level of intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking. K&R n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #249

Cons are such hypocrites thablueprint. Aug 2013 #250

Got links? JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #253

No links to real life, Julie Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #255

Mea culpa JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #259

Now that that's all cleared up, have a swell day. Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #260

And you as well. JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #261

I'm with you on each and every point. AikidoSoul Aug 2013 #256

K&R! TeamPooka Aug 2013 #257

*kick* One of the best threads ever! Thank you, Stinky! (nt) scarletwoman Aug 2013 #262

Here are some links to other NSA posts. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #263

Ah! Bookmarking for later. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #264