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29. Both I think. Also much of the press seems to have started waking up with the AP and Rosen incidents

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:05 PM

Aug 2013

At least it seems that way based on how little sympathy and cooperation they're getting from media like The Washington Post, Salon, The Nation and the New Republic, etc.

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They must be scared shitless or high on power. [View all] boston bean Aug 2013 OP

Press is owned by a handful of corporations abelenkpe Aug 2013 #1

Exactly. The press is useless now. Triana Aug 2013 #5

That includes the Guardian then. Good you see that. Whisp Aug 2013 #14

The Guardian is owned by the Scott Trust, not some corporate conglomerate. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #106

The Guardian is much better than most stateside "news" outlets, go west young man Aug 2013 #116

I'd agree with that. Marr Aug 2013 #119

Hes owned by choice. nt darkangel218 Aug 2013 #76

Bingo! nt City Lights Aug 2013 #97

Would you let anyone you know trapse around with stolen government documents Whisp Aug 2013 #2

The right of the people to be secure Bonobo Aug 2013 #4

Can you tell me how that applies to a Brazilian in Heathrow? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #7

Can you tell me why it shouldn't? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #31

The UK has no constitution. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #49

Irrelevant to my point. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #71

Up to the UK to sort that out themselves. They can demand it at the voting place. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #83

Great Britain and Northern Ireland do have a constitution. mwooldri Aug 2013 #87

It's a strange exceptionalism you espouse. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #65

Not really, simply a question of ethical thought. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #69

The exceptionalism I referred to is that you seem to want an American law applied at Heathrow that msanthrope Aug 2013 #73

You can't grasp the difference between law and ethics, can you? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #74

Well, one does need to ascertain that they are discussing the same law and ethics, right? msanthrope Aug 2013 #78

Already covered it. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #80

I am sorry, but what is your standpoint on the ethics of the exception to the Warrants msanthrope Aug 2013 #81

A question of ethical thought? bvar22 Aug 2013 #99

Egads MuseRider Aug 2013 #101

He's talking about ethics now creeksneakers2 Aug 2013 #108

" if we debated points with facts and logic." bvar22 Aug 2013 #118

huh? MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #122

so if he had kiddie porn in those files, he should walk through with them too? Whisp Aug 2013 #10

If there was true suspicion... Bonobo Aug 2013 #13

Is that how the law works, you have to have a warrant to search someone at the airport? Whisp Aug 2013 #17

My point exactly. Bonobo Aug 2013 #19

brazillions have 4th amendments rights in England? wow. Whisp Aug 2013 #20

Do you suppose that English rights are so different than US rights? Really? Bonobo Aug 2013 #21

do they and Brasil have a 4th amendment. That is what you said. Whisp Aug 2013 #23

Sore loser. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #24

Case rested. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #25

lol! :) darkangel218 Aug 2013 #79

Ding! KurtNYC Aug 2013 #93

brazillions? NealK Aug 2013 #37

... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #45

Why do you find that so strange? markpkessinger Aug 2013 #39

but this was not on US Soil JI7 Aug 2013 #46

I know that ... markpkessinger Aug 2013 #56

i don't know UK laws in much detail but i know they can be different , things like freedom of speech JI7 Aug 2013 #60

That is quite possibly the case . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #61

Is there an authoritarian action that you won't condone? blackspade Aug 2013 #85

The fact that Brazilians do not have 4th amendments rights in England... ocpagu Aug 2013 #92

ooh. killer analogy.nt uhnope Aug 2013 #113

but he wasn't in the USA. He was in the UK. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #117

It sounds like Glenn pulled a David House....or a failed Fawn Hall. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author vanlassie Aug 2013 #35

In your opinion, was it terrorism? morningfog Aug 2013 #41

His electronic property is no more 'stolen documents' than a copy of The Guardian muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #63

Just because they said they were "stolen" doesn't mean anything. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #64

To whom do government documents belong? OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people? chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #67

. Little Star Aug 2013 #100

so you think, for example, that the plans to get Bin Laden Whisp Aug 2013 #105

Who is saying stolen government documents were the reason for the stop? midnight Aug 2013 #104

I wonder if there is any chance that he was not avebury Aug 2013 #109

exactly. This is so overblown. nt uhnope Aug 2013 #112

It is a drip by drip process mick063 Aug 2013 #3

I share your opinion LearningCurve Aug 2013 #8

If Ron Wyden is correct, and Udall, what we are witnessing is just the tip of the iceberg. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #15

I sure hope that a good part of that iceberg will be exposed. NealK Aug 2013 #38

And...it started with the Bush admin nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #62

there is a lot buried, to be sure, but my question is-- why don't they detain Greenwald? NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #89

A purely rhetorical question I pose out of frustration.... defacto7 Aug 2013 #110

To answer your question mick063 Aug 2013 #121

I don't think we've seen the end of them either. I expect Autumn Aug 2013 #6

I'd say scared shitless or not afraid of consequences LearningCurve Aug 2013 #9

sorry but.... wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #12

"They"? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #16

What do you think is behind the outrageous abuses of power we are witnessing and the crackdown sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #27

I'm curious to know who 'they' are ... one_voice Aug 2013 #30

all kardonb Aug 2013 #55

Funny both incidents in the OP took place solely in Europe treestar Aug 2013 #72

They are scared shitless, this is the latest evidence of that and like everything else they've been sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #18

"except to the far right here in this country" NealK Aug 2013 #40

they excuse and love conservative policies, so the rule of compensation means that they have to pret MisterP Aug 2013 #42

That is my observation on this board. It seems to fit. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #51

I've never seen anything like this either. It's both scared snappyturtle Aug 2013 #22

Yes there are millions like you, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #90

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #26

It started when Great Britain threatened to raid the Ecuadorian embassy. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #28

Both I think. Also much of the press seems to have started waking up with the AP and Rosen incidents Catherina Aug 2013 #29

Yes, they are talking back now. bemildred Aug 2013 #32

"both" is a bad combination--but they have Americans by the short and curlies MisterP Aug 2013 #36

The press IS awake. They just have different priorities than we do. So they ignore it. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #33

I am press, and quite frankly, most press is not aware. Whether it is willfull nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #47

No, they just don't care what the Hair on Fire Department throws a fit about. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #34

nothing to see here; move on Skittles Aug 2013 #44

"I don't think we've seen the end of these abuses." NealK Aug 2013 #43

This is starting to make Watergate look tame by comparison! cascadiance Aug 2013 #48

Gigagate MisterP Aug 2013 #52

I couldn't agree more. n/t NealK Aug 2013 #53

That is because Watergate was almost two generations ago nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #58

Could it be both? Rex Aug 2013 #50

The POLICE STATE cometh... blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #54

Alex...I will take *both* for 1000 nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #57

If it makes you feel any better. nolabels Aug 2013 #66

K&R nt Zorra Aug 2013 #59

Really? What about 9/11, torture, Guantanamo, the Iraq war NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #68

And what about them? blackspade Aug 2013 #86

Just give thanks that there exists a UK Guardian malaise Aug 2013 #70

This is the beggining of the end Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #75

It will not end. Not anytime soon, anyway. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #77

Booz Allen, who facilitated this whole thing...anybody gonna talk about them? No? whatevs. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #82

That is important, and merits discussion, but... bvar22 Aug 2013 #102

Oh we've worked our way there, the distractions are unending... LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #115

Paulbot paranoia. 6000eliot Aug 2013 #84

Tens of billions in contracts to private surveillance companies are at stake. another_liberal Aug 2013 #88

It's a bit of both, actually Warpy Aug 2013 #91

Exactly. Thats one reason why dictators are so dangerous. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #103

I think we are at a major tipping point. TPTB will never relinquish their rhett o rick Aug 2013 #94

...and then they came for me but there was no one left to speak up. nt TeamPooka Aug 2013 #95

Both. N/T Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #96

Both. I think they are scared shitless that we are going to learn that they have not been doing avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #98

The press is incapable of waking up jimlup Aug 2013 #107

unreal that someone trafficking in stolen stuff would be detained at the airport? uhnope Aug 2013 #111

You forgot about them destroying the computers at The Guardian. Th1onein Aug 2013 #114

Definitely scared shitless. defacto7 Aug 2013 #123

It's pure arrogance and hubris. Dash87 Aug 2013 #120