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54. The POLICE STATE cometh...

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They must be scared shitless or high on power. [View all] boston bean Aug 2013 OP

Press is owned by a handful of corporations abelenkpe Aug 2013 #1

Exactly. The press is useless now. Triana Aug 2013 #5

That includes the Guardian then. Good you see that. Whisp Aug 2013 #14

The Guardian is owned by the Scott Trust, not some corporate conglomerate. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #106

The Guardian is much better than most stateside "news" outlets, go west young man Aug 2013 #116

I'd agree with that. Marr Aug 2013 #119

Hes owned by choice. nt darkangel218 Aug 2013 #76

Bingo! nt City Lights Aug 2013 #97

Would you let anyone you know trapse around with stolen government documents Whisp Aug 2013 #2

The right of the people to be secure Bonobo Aug 2013 #4

Can you tell me how that applies to a Brazilian in Heathrow? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #7

Can you tell me why it shouldn't? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #31

The UK has no constitution. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #49

Irrelevant to my point. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #71

Up to the UK to sort that out themselves. They can demand it at the voting place. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #83

Great Britain and Northern Ireland do have a constitution. mwooldri Aug 2013 #87

It's a strange exceptionalism you espouse. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #65

Not really, simply a question of ethical thought. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #69

The exceptionalism I referred to is that you seem to want an American law applied at Heathrow that msanthrope Aug 2013 #73

You can't grasp the difference between law and ethics, can you? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #74

Well, one does need to ascertain that they are discussing the same law and ethics, right? msanthrope Aug 2013 #78

Already covered it. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #80

I am sorry, but what is your standpoint on the ethics of the exception to the Warrants msanthrope Aug 2013 #81

A question of ethical thought? bvar22 Aug 2013 #99

Egads MuseRider Aug 2013 #101

He's talking about ethics now creeksneakers2 Aug 2013 #108

" if we debated points with facts and logic." bvar22 Aug 2013 #118

huh? MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #122

so if he had kiddie porn in those files, he should walk through with them too? Whisp Aug 2013 #10

If there was true suspicion... Bonobo Aug 2013 #13

Is that how the law works, you have to have a warrant to search someone at the airport? Whisp Aug 2013 #17

My point exactly. Bonobo Aug 2013 #19

brazillions have 4th amendments rights in England? wow. Whisp Aug 2013 #20

Do you suppose that English rights are so different than US rights? Really? Bonobo Aug 2013 #21

do they and Brasil have a 4th amendment. That is what you said. Whisp Aug 2013 #23

Sore loser. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #24

Case rested. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #25

lol! :) darkangel218 Aug 2013 #79

Ding! KurtNYC Aug 2013 #93

brazillions? NealK Aug 2013 #37

... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #45

Why do you find that so strange? markpkessinger Aug 2013 #39

but this was not on US Soil JI7 Aug 2013 #46

I know that ... markpkessinger Aug 2013 #56

i don't know UK laws in much detail but i know they can be different , things like freedom of speech JI7 Aug 2013 #60

That is quite possibly the case . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #61

Is there an authoritarian action that you won't condone? blackspade Aug 2013 #85

The fact that Brazilians do not have 4th amendments rights in England... ocpagu Aug 2013 #92

ooh. killer analogy.nt uhnope Aug 2013 #113

but he wasn't in the USA. He was in the UK. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #117

It sounds like Glenn pulled a David House....or a failed Fawn Hall. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author vanlassie Aug 2013 #35

In your opinion, was it terrorism? morningfog Aug 2013 #41

His electronic property is no more 'stolen documents' than a copy of The Guardian muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #63

Just because they said they were "stolen" doesn't mean anything. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #64

To whom do government documents belong? OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people? chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #67

. Little Star Aug 2013 #100

so you think, for example, that the plans to get Bin Laden Whisp Aug 2013 #105

Who is saying stolen government documents were the reason for the stop? midnight Aug 2013 #104

I wonder if there is any chance that he was not avebury Aug 2013 #109

exactly. This is so overblown. nt uhnope Aug 2013 #112

It is a drip by drip process mick063 Aug 2013 #3

I share your opinion LearningCurve Aug 2013 #8

If Ron Wyden is correct, and Udall, what we are witnessing is just the tip of the iceberg. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #15

I sure hope that a good part of that iceberg will be exposed. NealK Aug 2013 #38

And...it started with the Bush admin nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #62

there is a lot buried, to be sure, but my question is-- why don't they detain Greenwald? NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #89

A purely rhetorical question I pose out of frustration.... defacto7 Aug 2013 #110

To answer your question mick063 Aug 2013 #121

I don't think we've seen the end of them either. I expect Autumn Aug 2013 #6

I'd say scared shitless or not afraid of consequences LearningCurve Aug 2013 #9

sorry but.... wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #12

"They"? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #16

What do you think is behind the outrageous abuses of power we are witnessing and the crackdown sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #27

I'm curious to know who 'they' are ... one_voice Aug 2013 #30

all kardonb Aug 2013 #55

Funny both incidents in the OP took place solely in Europe treestar Aug 2013 #72

They are scared shitless, this is the latest evidence of that and like everything else they've been sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #18

"except to the far right here in this country" NealK Aug 2013 #40

they excuse and love conservative policies, so the rule of compensation means that they have to pret MisterP Aug 2013 #42

That is my observation on this board. It seems to fit. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #51

I've never seen anything like this either. It's both scared snappyturtle Aug 2013 #22

Yes there are millions like you, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #90

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #26

It started when Great Britain threatened to raid the Ecuadorian embassy. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #28

Both I think. Also much of the press seems to have started waking up with the AP and Rosen incidents Catherina Aug 2013 #29

Yes, they are talking back now. bemildred Aug 2013 #32

"both" is a bad combination--but they have Americans by the short and curlies MisterP Aug 2013 #36

The press IS awake. They just have different priorities than we do. So they ignore it. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #33

I am press, and quite frankly, most press is not aware. Whether it is willfull nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #47

No, they just don't care what the Hair on Fire Department throws a fit about. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #34

nothing to see here; move on Skittles Aug 2013 #44

"I don't think we've seen the end of these abuses." NealK Aug 2013 #43

This is starting to make Watergate look tame by comparison! cascadiance Aug 2013 #48

Gigagate MisterP Aug 2013 #52

I couldn't agree more. n/t NealK Aug 2013 #53

That is because Watergate was almost two generations ago nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #58

Could it be both? Rex Aug 2013 #50

The POLICE STATE cometh... blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #54

Alex...I will take *both* for 1000 nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #57

If it makes you feel any better. nolabels Aug 2013 #66

K&R nt Zorra Aug 2013 #59

Really? What about 9/11, torture, Guantanamo, the Iraq war NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #68

And what about them? blackspade Aug 2013 #86

Just give thanks that there exists a UK Guardian malaise Aug 2013 #70

This is the beggining of the end Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #75

It will not end. Not anytime soon, anyway. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #77

Booz Allen, who facilitated this whole thing...anybody gonna talk about them? No? whatevs. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #82

That is important, and merits discussion, but... bvar22 Aug 2013 #102

Oh we've worked our way there, the distractions are unending... LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #115

Paulbot paranoia. 6000eliot Aug 2013 #84

Tens of billions in contracts to private surveillance companies are at stake. another_liberal Aug 2013 #88

It's a bit of both, actually Warpy Aug 2013 #91

Exactly. Thats one reason why dictators are so dangerous. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #103

I think we are at a major tipping point. TPTB will never relinquish their rhett o rick Aug 2013 #94

...and then they came for me but there was no one left to speak up. nt TeamPooka Aug 2013 #95

Both. N/T Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #96

Both. I think they are scared shitless that we are going to learn that they have not been doing avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #98

The press is incapable of waking up jimlup Aug 2013 #107

unreal that someone trafficking in stolen stuff would be detained at the airport? uhnope Aug 2013 #111

You forgot about them destroying the computers at The Guardian. Th1onein Aug 2013 #114

Definitely scared shitless. defacto7 Aug 2013 #123

It's pure arrogance and hubris. Dash87 Aug 2013 #120