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17. Thank you for the --How To Be A Compliant Victim-- lecture. I'll take it under advisement.

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:16 PM

Aug 2013

Every self-defense situation is unique and must be separately evaluated. However, the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony, such as the robbery you cite, is prima facie evidence of the willingness to use lethal force against an innocent, and would justify a lethal response even in my VERY anti-gun home town of NYC.

As to Pete's policy, I both support the Second Amendment AND have no objection to the owner of a private establishment setting policy on their premises, so long as it does not infringe on other fundamental rights (e.g., refusal to serve someone because of race, etc.). Potential patrons can decide how they wish to react. I, personally, see such an obvious sign as an invitation to robbery or vandalism, but it certainly is not my decision.

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In case you were curious, Peet's Coffee & Tea has gun sense. [View all] Robb Aug 2013 OP

Thanks. I will be buying Peet's Coffee from now on. It is sometimes on sale at my supermarket. CTyankee Aug 2013 #1

If only Starbucks would wake up... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #2

Are not Peet's and Starbucks owned by the same corporation? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #13

No. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #40

No they are separate hlthe2b Aug 2013 #42

I thought so, but apparently not: enough Aug 2013 #71

I stand corrected. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #114

Now that you mention it.. Cha Aug 2013 #3

Aww, did the starbucks boycott fizzle today? n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #4

Do You Boycott Anything? otohara Aug 2013 #93

Nope, I'm not boycotting anything. X_Digger Aug 2013 #97

Wal-Mart is Evil otohara Aug 2013 #101

Well done, Peet's! Superior coffee, too. Hekate Aug 2013 #5

They can kiss my ass! Yavapai Aug 2013 #6

you poor thang Skittles Aug 2013 #26

Well, bless your heart. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #37

Go ahead, it's a free country. I will go elsewhere because I don't feel comfortable with bluestate10 Aug 2013 #64

Remember that if you are sitting in a gun free zone ... spin Aug 2013 #92

If you want to protect yourself, don't own a gun. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #115

All good points. I still chose to own firearms. ... spin Aug 2013 #122

I'm in! tblue Aug 2013 #7

It's good for their bottom line $$$. California Pizza Kitchen, too. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #8

The Open Carry people in California have accomplished a lot. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #12

That they did. As I said, it really backfired on them. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #100

... and their coffee is rather good too. surrealAmerican Aug 2013 #9

I don't visit Starbucks or Peets, wild bird Aug 2013 #10

It's not about the price of coffee. You also get to rent a table to hang out with a friend... Lucky Luciano Aug 2013 #76

But I can do that in my backyard. wild bird Aug 2013 #102

Not to mention, their coffee is much, much better. n/t MrModerate Aug 2013 #11

That's what a free country looks like Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #14

bullshit Skittles Aug 2013 #27

if they Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #45

I think you missed Skittles' sarcasm. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #54

probably... Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #58

Yep, and the printed word... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #60

lack of tone Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #65

lack of tone Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #78

Your cat has a lot of say in this? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #106

whatever lol Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #109

What do you call somebody who can't even walk to the store without packing heat? nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #80

depends on where you live Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #82

Maybe so. But since CC is banned in most urban areas, I guess it's kind of a moot point... nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #94

hmm no it isn't. Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #95

Okay, I guess I was mistaken. I was just thinking "big cities = strict gun laws." nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #96

when people talk about the wild west Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #105

You can hump your gun in any urban area in WI thanks to Criminal Walker. AllyCat Aug 2013 #111

So according to you Walker made it legal to have carnal knowledge of firearms? oneshooter Aug 2013 #121

Free Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #88

You are too scared to go get a cup of coffee without your gun? AllyCat Aug 2013 #112

I don't own a gun Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #113

Respectfully, where can I find that in the Constitution, or any state equivalent? branford Aug 2013 #53

I live in Texas Skittles Aug 2013 #57

And yet you managed to drink coffee out innumerable times without getting killed or injured. branford Aug 2013 #63

And I manage to drink coffee out innumerable times without getting killed or injured MANY times... CTyankee Aug 2013 #66

gun humpers always try to justify their fear and paranoia Skittles Aug 2013 #69

And are you afraid or paranoid of "gun humpers" Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #75

no, they just make me sick Skittles Aug 2013 #86

I refer you to the title of post 27 Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #89

and I refer you to Skittles Aug 2013 #91

CT is a shall-issue state. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #120

I have no doubt I have. CTyankee Aug 2013 #123

My condolences to you and your family for the loss of your niece. wild bird Aug 2013 #126

thank you. CTyankee Aug 2013 #128

Well. I would say see the OP Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #70

They just gained a customer. (nt) oxymoron Aug 2013 #15

And even if you have a concealed carry permit, Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #16

Thank you for the --How To Be A Compliant Victim-- lecture. I'll take it under advisement. branford Aug 2013 #17

Best of luck to you, Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #18

I am responsible for the shots I fire. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #29

You are if you start the shooting. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #31

I am talking about the law. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #33

I'm not a lawyer, Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #34

Texas has civil immunity. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #36

So if a robbery is happening, Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #38

I would be in the clear anyway, in any state. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #62

Are you an attorney? Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #68

The legal aspects of self-defense are part of a CHL class. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #119

In many jurisdictions, statutory and common law will protect someone involved in a lawful shooting. branford Aug 2013 #41

Good post. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #44

I believe in the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, but . . . branford Aug 2013 #52

As far as I see he's talking about the customers... Not the staff ;-) nt. Blue Idaho Aug 2013 #19

You are correct. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #22

Good managers will tell their people to do it, too... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #59

Maybe, but I'm not willing to gamble with a clerk's life or safety any more than a patron's branford Aug 2013 #47

I worked retail management for 10 years.... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #55

And I'm not at all saying you're wrong. branford Aug 2013 #61

I am probably more in agreement with you than I originally thought. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #67

When people are willing to listen, they often find many areas of agreement. branford Aug 2013 #83

Average robbers don't want an incident. So compliance works well for them, they bluestate10 Aug 2013 #73

As I previously stated, I don't own a gun and would likely comply. branford Aug 2013 #81

Now I see how our misunderstanding happened. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #84

Sorry about the misunderstanding. branford Aug 2013 #85

Hell I've been on consevative forums Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #87

Oh no! pintobean Aug 2013 #20

I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there! n/t Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #24

+1 branford Aug 2013 #56

Agreed. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #25

Thank You. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #28

I totally agree and I carry. ... spin Aug 2013 #30

That all makes sense. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #32

I had a slightly strange incident happen one time. ... spin Aug 2013 #74

Yeah, sounds like you may have prevented something there. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #79

On the other hand I might have simply mistaken an innocent situation as far worse. ... spin Aug 2013 #90

Easily the most respectful and productive subthread I've seen on a subject like this. Bazinga Aug 2013 #118

Their business, their right to make that decision. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #21

Glad to hear that Peet's policies are as excellent as their coffee. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #23

I read in the article that the policy in California, even where open carry is welcomed, is that Squinch Aug 2013 #35

Like I said in an earlier post, Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #39

Good to know, and good to hear the law was changed to something reasonable. Thanks! Squinch Aug 2013 #43

The Open Carry people have been saying they were going to start carrying shotguns and rifles, Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #46

Open carry of long guns has also been prohibited in CA petronius Aug 2013 #49

Thanks for the info. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #50

Peet's has been my bean of choice for years. nolabear Aug 2013 #48

We don't have them around here, but if we did, I'd shop there. Aristus Aug 2013 #51

Same here etherealtruth Aug 2013 #77

Good...I choose not to be near gunner shitheads if i can help it alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #72

Couldn't have said it better myself... Aristus Aug 2013 #98

+1 SunSeeker Aug 2013 #116

On pulling into my VA hospital parking lot I noticed: moondust Aug 2013 #99

Good to know, thank you. nt wtmusic Aug 2013 #103

If I am ever in a store and see someone carrying a gun, I am out of there as fast as my legs will c appleannie1 Aug 2013 #104

I wouldn't go that far, but I'm sure it would make me nervous to see someone "packing." nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #107

How is anyone to know if they are not a serial shooter? Or just some hot head looking for a fight? appleannie1 Aug 2013 #108

You could have been right next to a person who oneshooter Aug 2013 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author PorridgeGun Aug 2013 #117

Do they search customers before entering? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #124

Baristas have a sixth sense for spotting assholes. Robb Aug 2013 #125

Gun toters will go there anyway mwrguy Aug 2013 #127