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PDJane

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31. The US got involved in the firing war because she had no choice.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:06 AM
Sep 2013

However, the US was supplying England under the lend-lease programmes. US industrialists and bankers were also supplying the Nazis with materials because it was lucrative to do so, and because there was a hefty portion of the US who were anti-semitic. I. C. Farben and Vereinigte Stahlwerke build weaponry with American assistance and funding. Standard Oil gave Farben a monopoly on production of synthetic oil from coal, along with the patent for synthetic silk for parachutes. Just under one half of the high octane fuel produced in Germany during the period came directly from that programme, and much of the rest came from subsidiaries. Opel, a Subsidiary of General Motors, produced tanks. Ford himself was decorated by the Nazis for his investments in German manufacturing.

Alcoa and Dow transferred domestic technology, as did IBM. Bendix Aviation supplied Siemens & Halske A. G. in Germany with data on automatic pilots and aircraft instruments, along with technical data to Robert Bosch for aircraft and diesel engine starters and received royalty payments in return. I. G. Farben and Standard Oil of New Jersey suppressed development of the synthetic rubber industry in the United States, to the advantage of Germany. And yes, the Bush family was in there, too.

Why am I pointing out this old history? Because war, for the US, has been a mostly economic endeavor. US multinationals and the US banking system make money, lots of it, from being above the fray. Their investments have not been confined to helping America or her allies during the wars that have come their way; it's about money, only money. How to get it. How to control it. How to make sure that every death swells their pockets, no matter on which side the deaths occur. How to make sure that the people who control the money are 'citizens of the world,' with hegemony on their mind. They are above corruption, because they have no loyalties. The system is amoral and self-sustaining.

American financial rules mask the risk of big banks. Part of the reason that Canada didn't get hit as hard with the crisis in 2009 is that Canada uses international financial rules; mortgages are on the books, unlike the US, even though 75% are guaranteed by the government. The firewall between investment and commercial banking remains in place in Canada, despite Conservative efforts to move us to a US system. US banks have resisted more accountability and some necessary accounting changes. This masks risks. For example, as a percentage of GDP, Switzerland's UBS and Credit Suisse alone account for nearly 600% of the country's GDP. The US banking system, with much more risk, state the % of GDP as between 56 and 69%. No matter what the truth of the matter, it seems that the banking system in the first world is a very greedy behemoth, sucking up a totally incredible amount of money. It's not money for work, it's money for the sake of making money, and it's unsustainable.

These wars are an unsustainable expenditure, too.

All of it, from the wars to mortgages to the fees they charge the poor and disenfranchised for banking services, are the way that the banking giants control the economy. They, even more than the big corporations, are responsible for the dip in the economy and the attitude of the elite.

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This is a painfully stupid question Spider Jerusalem Sep 2013 #1
With a qualifier, the US entered the war on the European front after Germany declared war nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #2
True on all counts. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #5
According to Gallup, 62% thought "defeating Germany is more important than staying out" Renew Deal Sep 2013 #10
I think if you go back another year or two, it was much different MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #11
And the bill to institute the draft in 1940 thucythucy Sep 2013 #29
Look at all those bloodthirsty warmongers voting yes Renew Deal Sep 2013 #3
Of course we should have. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #4
There is no comparison. Stay out of Syria. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #6
The Nazi Skinhead contingent votes no. lol. BootinUp Sep 2013 #7
LOL. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #12
Duh, Germany and Italy declared war on the US 11 December 1941 neverforget Sep 2013 #8
Germany declared war on us first after we declared war on Japan. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #9
Horrible comparison davidn3600 Sep 2013 #13
Did you read the part in my OP where I said MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #14
to all those who think we were just minding our own business and the war came to us: unblock Sep 2013 #15
And some of us we're helping the Fascists. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #16
true enough. some even wanted us to enter the war on the wrong side! unblock Sep 2013 #26
We were not 'actively' aiding the Soviets (nor 'passively' aiding them either, except HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #18
Lend-lease: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #19
MV, one thing I that so endears me to this site is how frequently I learn HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #21
Fighting the Germans to the last Russian exboyfil Sep 2013 #28
The US got involved in the firing war because she had no choice. PDJane Sep 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Demonaut Sep 2013 #17
Are you trying to compare Syria to WW2? LOL B Calm Sep 2013 #20
I voted yes but am against action in Syria. nt RiffRandell Sep 2013 #22
We were attacked by the Axis. JVS Sep 2013 #23
Germany declared war on the US, and proceeded to attack our vessels. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #24
Yes. Pearl Harbor was attacked and Hitler was known to have killed Jewish with chemical weapons David Krout Sep 2013 #25
Pearl Harbor? workinclasszero Sep 2013 #27
It's easy to say yes with 70+ years of hindsight & knowledge Lurks Often Sep 2013 #30
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