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Rosa Luxemburg

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153. In 2008 I thought

Sat Sep 7, 2013, 10:38 AM

Sep 2013

Basically I had high hopes with Obama that he could exert his powers diplomatically. With Iraq we ended up killing thousands of Iraqis and maiming hundreds of thousands and spent trillions. Now we have yet another dictator with chemical weapons with 'iffy' intelligence. We are going down the same road. We should use the UN first. That's what's the UN is for. Besides we can remove Assad and his followers without firing expensive missiles.

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Obama's Back. [View all] cali Sep 2013 OP

Agreed. Nt newfie11 Sep 2013 #1

There are many things that I will go to hell and back for Obama... Earth_First Sep 2013 #2

How about chained CPI? Obama lost a lot of us when he proposed that. Scuba Sep 2013 #4

Who is us? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #10

I do, several in fact. Scuba Sep 2013 #13

Well, there ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #24

"Sense" huh? Scuba Sep 2013 #27

Sorry ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #89

Strange, I know a lot of people pissed over chained CPI and "grand bargain" talk.. tokenlib Sep 2013 #91

Come on ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #100

I know several as well. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #128

I know 80+% of Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #131

What about Chained CPI and the TPP? Enthusiast Sep 2013 #83

Didn't happen/Hasn't happened. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #94

CPI was a turning point for me ...TPP makes it worse ...bomb Syria and it's the end. L0oniX Sep 2013 #90

Same here Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #135

it's like the Bible - every single word is absolutely and perfectly true or or it is all a big lie Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #3

doesn't surprise me. some people are partisan by nature. lots of them, in fact. cali Sep 2013 #5

I'm sure that a lot of us one here fit into that category... groundloop Sep 2013 #7

I think a lot of Obama's biggest supporters here are on the payroll. Probably cashing checks from Erose999 Sep 2013 #8

I doubt that very much - I think it is just a childlike approach to partisan politics Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #17

Yes there a whiff of that warrant46 Sep 2013 #32

I believe there are paid trolls here, Raksha Sep 2013 #65

I think you miscomprehend ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #14

perhaps so, but I still find that a depressing explanation cali Sep 2013 #15

Because one's opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #28

perhaps I should have said: "I don't trust any politician to decide cali Sep 2013 #35

Of course not. We each have the freedom to decide... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #57

No person ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #101

They are deciding for everyone and not just you treestar Sep 2013 #150

Many people confuse the idea of direct democracy with representative... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #56

Pretty sure we have neither but it's nice to dream nolabels Sep 2013 #60

It's pretty imperfect. Dreaming won't help to improve our democracy. Fighting to keep... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #64

Out in Cali our newer flavor seems to be the recall election nolabels Sep 2013 #71

Both Kerry and Obama have my informed distrust on the issue of Syria cali Sep 2013 #61

Not because he didn't try. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #63

didn't try what? to inform himself? cali Sep 2013 #68

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #102

... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #118

I have tried and tried ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #120

Someone recently made the point that... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #123

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #126

I agree. That is why I am glad... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #154

But ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #157

I agree that our decision-makers, in general, should be... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #159

Careful ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #161

... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #163

Earned trust is not depressing. nt tridim Sep 2013 #81

in some cases I'm sure you're right - but when I see litmus test that would be the envy Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #22

I thought that was rather heartening Nevernose Sep 2013 #29

I think 'servile and morally treasonable to the American public'. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #40

that's a good quote - I'll have to save... thanks Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #50

Excellent. I agree. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #51

too bad the poster's claim of support for striking Syria is flagrantly false, but cali Sep 2013 #52

Cali, we're never going to agree... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #53

He claimed that the American people support striking Syria. cali Sep 2013 #54

But you appear to be picking your own facts HangOnKids Sep 2013 #72

Which facts? n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #75

The "facts" you support HangOnKids Sep 2013 #78

Please tell me which facts concern you and I would be happy... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #80

I proved you wrong in the other forum ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #155

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #148

well us liberals florida08 Sep 2013 #6

That's the difference between DU and FR. We call it like we see it and call out.... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #9

For many, anyway. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #11

On Syria, I would like to think the majority does. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #12

I would like to think so, too. LWolf Sep 2013 #26

Personally I have not seen a few if any posts rushing to go to war. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #31

Threads with war supporters, LWolf Sep 2013 #46

Thanks LWolf, I had not seen these posts, all I can say is WOW. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #76

Me, too. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #145

BS, the difference used to be ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #19

DU is no different than it's ever been and cali Sep 2013 #23

IMO ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #34

yes, you do support bombing Syria and it takes some gall to say cali Sep 2013 #41

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #98

Your post says that you both oppose and support strikes upon Syria and her people. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #43

I am answer the question ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #99

DU used to get nuance, but that is something that has... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #62

Nuance is in the eye of the beholder HangOnKids Sep 2013 #73

I was referring to the difference between seeing issues... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #77

So you don't support bombing... and you do. At the same time. sibelian Sep 2013 #67

Limited military strike pecwae Sep 2013 #84

It may reflect the country, but there are many... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #59

Just to clarify your post are you saying there is no difference between DU and FR? Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #30

Some days ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #95

I guess I can honestly say that I am no expert on FR.... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #97

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #103

So let me clarify, you have no first hand knowledge of FR..... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #107

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #116

I think I understand, I am a simple man.... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #119

I've been there, and to other RW websites Scootaloo Sep 2013 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Sep 2013 #105

THANK YOU. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #58

Still waiting for your reply to my post..... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #79

Spot on. Thanks. tridim Sep 2013 #82

As it should be! Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #16

"And I certainly don't have John Kerry's back. At all." ProSense Sep 2013 #18

As do ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #20

what? are you claiming that the majority of Americans support intervening militarily in Syria? cali Sep 2013 #25

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #36

what recent polls? Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #37

Here ya go ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #104

the poll says exactly the opposite of what you are claiming. Why are you intentionally lying when Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #136

Are you kidding ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #142

yes most people disapprove of the Syrian policy and most people oppose bombing Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #144

Point to another poll that asks ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #149

Please reveal the source of this outlier poll. nt NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #39

Here ya go ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #108

The question directly above, Q8, NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #141

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #146

bullshit. why are you making this up??? cali Sep 2013 #42

intellectually dishonest and will not even attempt to back up his assertions. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #44

and his posts in this thread actually do reflect blind loyalty and cali Sep 2013 #47

Vapid, servile and always accompanied with mean comments about DU and DUers, that is Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #48

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #109

Question ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #110

I don't do that ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #106

brazenly post a blatantly false claim, then run, run, run away cali Sep 2013 #45

Bravely brave! Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #49

Some of us have real lives ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #111

You've descended from deceit to simple lying, I see. Marr Sep 2013 #55

Lying? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #112

You won't be receiving an apology. Marr Sep 2013 #121

I didn't think you would have the courage or integrity ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #129

You could've just admitted your claim was bullshit. Marr Sep 2013 #130

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #132

OFFS L0oniX Sep 2013 #92

I will accept your apology, as well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #113

Well, you and your lies can wait a hell of a long time for one RetroLounge Sep 2013 #124

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #127

Coward? Nice edit. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #151

I editted out the comment, because it was inappropriate ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #156

I know all I need to know RetroLounge Sep 2013 #158

And what is that? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #160

LOL n/t RetroLounge Sep 2013 #162

Just as I thought ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #164

Just as I thought ... RetroLounge Sep 2013 #165

My editting of my post ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #166

Nothing more juvenile than calling for war without enlisting yourself RetroLounge Sep 2013 #167

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #170

"Coward" is his go-to insult. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #168

Ah, that explains a lot. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #169

Yeah ... Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #171

Good luck with that. ...crack is bad mojo. There's no way this will be a limited strike. L0oniX Sep 2013 #143

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #147

I don't know where you get that idea? Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #33

From here ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #114

the poll is saying exactly the opposite of what you are claiming - furthermore a mutltitude of other Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #138

Because he's hiding behind it. The Link Sep 2013 #70

LOL! ProSense Sep 2013 #74

Obama told him what to say, so of course he does! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #117

"I didn't leave my party, my party left me" CincyDem Sep 2013 #21

I feel much the same way liberal N proud Sep 2013 #38

Kerry is morally bankrupt, but he is doing what his boss tells him to do. The Link Sep 2013 #66

That's crap. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #125

How ridiculous treestar Sep 2013 #152

i'm a "peace purist" noiretextatique Sep 2013 #69

Peact purist = isolationist CPX7700 Sep 2013 #87

you mean like the regimes we've installed? noiretextatique Sep 2013 #173

Ditto Pharaoh Sep 2013 #85

He hasn't had our backs since he closed Gitmo for half a second. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #86

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #88

OFFS ...enjoy your stay. L0oniX Sep 2013 #93

well no fucking duh? trumad Sep 2013 #96

That one's a no-brainer for me n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #115

He is my president Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #122

haven't logged in since 2012 Aru Sep 2013 #133

I have Obama's back when I know he has mine. donheld Sep 2013 #134

Yes! DeSwiss Sep 2013 #137

Once again, the "everything he says or does" hyperbole. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #140

In 2008 I thought Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2013 #153

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2013 #172