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MNBrewer

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31. I know that PBO has framed the discussion this way

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:48 AM

Sep 2013

i.e., that anything other than a US military strike = "turning a blind eye"

But that's simply a lie.

There are a number of things that can be done that would "send a message" or "punish" the Assad regime that don't involve the US military.

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Of course people opposed to military strikes are horrified by the use of chemical weapons [View all] cali Sep 2013 OP

So the trick is to (1) buddy up to Putin so he will veto any UN resolution; Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #1

"getting away with it". Perhaps that's not the most important consideration cali Sep 2013 #4

It's easy to take pot shots at others but hard to state your own position. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #20

I know that PBO has framed the discussion this way MNBrewer Sep 2013 #31

No, no, haven't you heard? Those of us who oppose war with Syria are OK with chemical weapons .... Scuba Sep 2013 #2

Or maybe the other way.. people who are for some action against Assad are warmongers... DontTreadOnMe Sep 2013 #26

Advocating military action before exhausting all other avenues is indeed "warmongering". Scuba Sep 2013 #27

Bazinga! HangOnKids Sep 2013 #48

What other avenues remain? ellisonz Sep 2013 #53

UN sanctions, for example. I'm certainly not advocating doing nothing. Scuba Sep 2013 #58

Russia and China have opposed all UN action. ellisonz Sep 2013 #78

There's a pretty good body of literature that show US military intervention makes things worse .... Scuba Sep 2013 #79

Do you really think it's that simple? ellisonz Sep 2013 #80

Do I think what is how simple? Scuba Sep 2013 #81

Do I know for sure it will make it worse? ellisonz Sep 2013 #82

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Depends on the situation. ellisonz Sep 2013 #94

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You're right. It was more flip, than knee-jerk. ellisonz Sep 2013 #96

Obama was not previously bothered by chemical weapons use, he never mentioned Reagan's Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #3

I don't think that's fair. How can you possibly know that cali Sep 2013 #8

^ +1000 ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #15

Let's not forget that he has been a strong proponent of non-proliferation all along. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #28

+1000 "cartoon" is right dionysus Sep 2013 #77

dude, your blind hatred of obama and pushing your "he luvs reagan!1!" lie are making you look absurd dionysus Sep 2013 #76

"If there was no collateral damage" - wouldn't it be simpler to just say I won't support strikes el_bryanto Sep 2013 #5

Or how about VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #29

The fact that a US strike on Syria is illegal doesn't seem to change your favoring it MNBrewer Sep 2013 #34

The AQ terrorists who did this are monsters. Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #6

I think, as Juan Cole does, and as recent revelations provide evidence for, cali Sep 2013 #10

Exactly! LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #7

Perhaps because it is the one thing that 98% of the world agreed to disarm itself of? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #30

Those same nations also agreed to mechanisms by which to deal with the use of chemical weapons MNBrewer Sep 2013 #37

The main reason I'm against it is because of the high likelihood LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #9

So ProSense Sep 2013 #11

Prosense. there is no one here that I consider cali Sep 2013 #21

and if Obama succeeds in getting Syria to turn over its chemical weapons to international VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #32

that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said in my post cali Sep 2013 #83

"Your perspective on everything begins and ends with your absolute fealty to President Obama. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #84

there is no "good" or rational explanation for anyone cali Sep 2013 #85

If he is a going down as one of the greatest Presidents ever? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #86

no, not even if that were true cali Sep 2013 #88

It is not idolizing having a leader and trusting his judgement.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #89

Good summation by OP. Speaks for me. n/t Alkene Sep 2013 #12

Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel about it right now... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #13

If you were 98% sure...would that be enough? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #33

I wouldn't supportmilitary action under any circumstance than a direct threat to the US.... marble falls Sep 2013 #14

Thank you gopiscrap Sep 2013 #16

no point in it now ragemage Sep 2013 #17

We also live in the real world where the Syrian Government will continue to kill people... brooklynite Sep 2013 #18

thankfully, we have Real World Realists like you to explain things to us.. frylock Sep 2013 #23

that real world is also one where Syrian rebel factions will continue to kill cali Sep 2013 #24

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read about Agent Defense Weapons VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #35

that's just bullshit. cali Sep 2013 #38

Oh really? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #40

Yes, really, 'nilla. cali Sep 2013 #45

you are seriously grasping at straws, here. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #47

straws of 10 yr mature technology...yeah...sure... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #56

you use as evidence MNBrewer Sep 2013 #59

right....you have seen technology that video games have used for 10 yrs...how has that technology VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #62

You're really using video game technology as your basis... SRSLY??? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #71

NO...are you daft? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #73

do chew on this information prior to making this silly claim again cali Sep 2013 #54

the talking points memo and the daily beast? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #60

wikipedia? Really? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #61

You know for a fact I have supplied plenty of articles... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #63

no, you haven't and you sure as shit have not provided cali Sep 2013 #65

Just did...but here you go.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #67

one more time: NOT AN OPTION cali Sep 2013 #72

and... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #68

Here is just one "mature technology" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #66

lol. you chide me for using TPM and the DB and go straight to wiki: Hilarious, honey. cali Sep 2013 #64

Only to show the expanse of what we are talking about... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #69

You have provided some nice glossy MIC materials produced for their propaganda effects MNBrewer Sep 2013 #74

How does that apply to the question. You responded with a non sequitur. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #39

He asked how....and I am supplying an answer VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #42

So we're going to bomb them with these "Agent Defense Weapons"? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #44

that claim is a pile of dishonest shit. cali Sep 2013 #46

Agent Defeat Weapons, for YOUR edification MNBrewer Sep 2013 #75

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I'm far more horrified by Depleted Uranium than I am of anything Syria has to offer Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #22

I'll tell you what I saw in the Army... Hubert Flottz Sep 2013 #25

Your first hand experience explains why it is different... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #36

How many minutes does it take to die from a drone strike? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #41

seconds or minutes to die... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #43

bullshit, 'nilla cali Sep 2013 #49

Every single one it strikes? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #51

or hours and hours and days and weeks MNBrewer Sep 2013 #50

I will stop when Assad relinquishes his chemical weapons like the rest of the world has.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #52

In addition to Syria MNBrewer Sep 2013 #55

no, you won't stop. It's crystal clear that you will continue spreading cali Sep 2013 #57

We need more reasonable posts like this on DU. This place has deteriorated with both sides on AlinPA Sep 2013 #70

I would only support a military strike if all other Cleita Sep 2013 #87

The country that brought you Agent Orange, White Phosphorus, Depleted Uranium, and the Atomic Bomb undeterred Sep 2013 #97