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VanillaRhapsody

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89. It is not idolizing having a leader and trusting his judgement....

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 04:57 PM

Sep 2013

trusting your own judgement for selecting him....I didn't pick him to follow what the latest polls are and shift with the way the wind blows....he "stands his ground" if you will...But I guess to you he shoulda folded like a cheap suit because of a bunch of signal noise.

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Of course people opposed to military strikes are horrified by the use of chemical weapons [View all] cali Sep 2013 OP

So the trick is to (1) buddy up to Putin so he will veto any UN resolution; Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #1

"getting away with it". Perhaps that's not the most important consideration cali Sep 2013 #4

It's easy to take pot shots at others but hard to state your own position. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #20

I know that PBO has framed the discussion this way MNBrewer Sep 2013 #31

No, no, haven't you heard? Those of us who oppose war with Syria are OK with chemical weapons .... Scuba Sep 2013 #2

Or maybe the other way.. people who are for some action against Assad are warmongers... DontTreadOnMe Sep 2013 #26

Advocating military action before exhausting all other avenues is indeed "warmongering". Scuba Sep 2013 #27

Bazinga! HangOnKids Sep 2013 #48

What other avenues remain? ellisonz Sep 2013 #53

UN sanctions, for example. I'm certainly not advocating doing nothing. Scuba Sep 2013 #58

Russia and China have opposed all UN action. ellisonz Sep 2013 #78

There's a pretty good body of literature that show US military intervention makes things worse .... Scuba Sep 2013 #79

Do you really think it's that simple? ellisonz Sep 2013 #80

Do I think what is how simple? Scuba Sep 2013 #81

Do I know for sure it will make it worse? ellisonz Sep 2013 #82

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Depends on the situation. ellisonz Sep 2013 #94

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You're right. It was more flip, than knee-jerk. ellisonz Sep 2013 #96

Obama was not previously bothered by chemical weapons use, he never mentioned Reagan's Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #3

I don't think that's fair. How can you possibly know that cali Sep 2013 #8

^ +1000 ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #15

Let's not forget that he has been a strong proponent of non-proliferation all along. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #28

+1000 "cartoon" is right dionysus Sep 2013 #77

dude, your blind hatred of obama and pushing your "he luvs reagan!1!" lie are making you look absurd dionysus Sep 2013 #76

"If there was no collateral damage" - wouldn't it be simpler to just say I won't support strikes el_bryanto Sep 2013 #5

Or how about VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #29

The fact that a US strike on Syria is illegal doesn't seem to change your favoring it MNBrewer Sep 2013 #34

The AQ terrorists who did this are monsters. Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #6

I think, as Juan Cole does, and as recent revelations provide evidence for, cali Sep 2013 #10

Exactly! LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #7

Perhaps because it is the one thing that 98% of the world agreed to disarm itself of? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #30

Those same nations also agreed to mechanisms by which to deal with the use of chemical weapons MNBrewer Sep 2013 #37

The main reason I'm against it is because of the high likelihood LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #9

So ProSense Sep 2013 #11

Prosense. there is no one here that I consider cali Sep 2013 #21

and if Obama succeeds in getting Syria to turn over its chemical weapons to international VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #32

that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said in my post cali Sep 2013 #83

"Your perspective on everything begins and ends with your absolute fealty to President Obama. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #84

there is no "good" or rational explanation for anyone cali Sep 2013 #85

If he is a going down as one of the greatest Presidents ever? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #86

no, not even if that were true cali Sep 2013 #88

It is not idolizing having a leader and trusting his judgement.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #89

Good summation by OP. Speaks for me. n/t Alkene Sep 2013 #12

Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel about it right now... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #13

If you were 98% sure...would that be enough? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #33

I wouldn't supportmilitary action under any circumstance than a direct threat to the US.... marble falls Sep 2013 #14

Thank you gopiscrap Sep 2013 #16

no point in it now ragemage Sep 2013 #17

We also live in the real world where the Syrian Government will continue to kill people... brooklynite Sep 2013 #18

thankfully, we have Real World Realists like you to explain things to us.. frylock Sep 2013 #23

that real world is also one where Syrian rebel factions will continue to kill cali Sep 2013 #24

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read about Agent Defense Weapons VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #35

that's just bullshit. cali Sep 2013 #38

Oh really? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #40

Yes, really, 'nilla. cali Sep 2013 #45

you are seriously grasping at straws, here. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #47

straws of 10 yr mature technology...yeah...sure... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #56

you use as evidence MNBrewer Sep 2013 #59

right....you have seen technology that video games have used for 10 yrs...how has that technology VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #62

You're really using video game technology as your basis... SRSLY??? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #71

NO...are you daft? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #73

do chew on this information prior to making this silly claim again cali Sep 2013 #54

the talking points memo and the daily beast? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #60

wikipedia? Really? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #61

You know for a fact I have supplied plenty of articles... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #63

no, you haven't and you sure as shit have not provided cali Sep 2013 #65

Just did...but here you go.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #67

one more time: NOT AN OPTION cali Sep 2013 #72

and... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #68

Here is just one "mature technology" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #66

lol. you chide me for using TPM and the DB and go straight to wiki: Hilarious, honey. cali Sep 2013 #64

Only to show the expanse of what we are talking about... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #69

You have provided some nice glossy MIC materials produced for their propaganda effects MNBrewer Sep 2013 #74

How does that apply to the question. You responded with a non sequitur. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #39

He asked how....and I am supplying an answer VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #42

So we're going to bomb them with these "Agent Defense Weapons"? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #44

that claim is a pile of dishonest shit. cali Sep 2013 #46

Agent Defeat Weapons, for YOUR edification MNBrewer Sep 2013 #75

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I'm far more horrified by Depleted Uranium than I am of anything Syria has to offer Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #22

I'll tell you what I saw in the Army... Hubert Flottz Sep 2013 #25

Your first hand experience explains why it is different... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #36

How many minutes does it take to die from a drone strike? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #41

seconds or minutes to die... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #43

bullshit, 'nilla cali Sep 2013 #49

Every single one it strikes? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #51

or hours and hours and days and weeks MNBrewer Sep 2013 #50

I will stop when Assad relinquishes his chemical weapons like the rest of the world has.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #52

In addition to Syria MNBrewer Sep 2013 #55

no, you won't stop. It's crystal clear that you will continue spreading cali Sep 2013 #57

We need more reasonable posts like this on DU. This place has deteriorated with both sides on AlinPA Sep 2013 #70

I would only support a military strike if all other Cleita Sep 2013 #87

The country that brought you Agent Orange, White Phosphorus, Depleted Uranium, and the Atomic Bomb undeterred Sep 2013 #97