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In reply to the discussion: I might take a break from this place if Obama nominates Summers. [View all]Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)72. Try this
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/what-potential-fed-front-runner-lawrence-summers-said-about-women-20130724
The second thing that I think one has to recognize is present is what I would call the combination of, and here, I'm focusing on something that would seek to answer the question of why is the pattern different in science and engineering, and why is the representation even lower and more problematic in science and engineering than it is in other fields. And here, you can get a fair distance, it seems to me, looking at a relatively simple hypothesis. It does appear that on many, many different human attributesheight, weight, propensity for criminality, overall IQ, mathematical ability, scientific abilitythere is relatively clear evidence that whatever the difference in meanswhich can be debatedthere is a difference in the standard deviation, and variability of a male and a female population. And that is true with respect to attributes that are and are not plausibly, culturally determined. If one supposes, as I think is reasonable, that if one is talking about physicists at a top twenty-five research university, one is not talking about people who are two standard deviations above the mean. And perhaps it's not even talking about somebody who is three standard deviations above the mean. But it's talking about people who are three and a half, four standard deviations above the mean in the one in 5,000, one in 10,000 class. Even small differences in the standard deviation will translate into very large differences in the available pool substantially out. I did a very crude calculation, which I'm sure was wrong and certainly was unsubtle, twenty different ways. I looked at the Xie and Shauman paper-looked at the book, rather-looked at the evidence on the sex ratios in the top 5% of twelfth graders. If you look at those-they're all over the map, depends on which test, whether it's math, or science, and so forth, but 50% women, one woman for every two men, would be a high-end estimate from their estimates. From that, you can back out a difference in the implied standard deviations that works out to be about 20%. And from that, you can work out the difference out several standard deviations. If you do that calculationand I have no reason to think that it couldn't be refined in a hundred waysyou get five to one, at the high end. Now, it's pointed out by one of the papers at this conference that these tests are not a very good measure and are not highly predictive with respect to people's ability to do that. And that's absolutely right. But I don't think that resolves the issue at all. Because if my reading of the data is rightit's something people can argue aboutthat there are some systematic differences in variability in different populations, then whatever the set of attributes are that are precisely defined to correlate with being an aeronautical engineer at MIT or being a chemist at Berkeley, those are probably different in their standard deviations as well. So my sense is that the unfortunate truthI would far prefer to believe something else, because it would be easier to address what is surely a serious social problem if something else were trueis that the combination of the high-powered job hypothesis and the differing variances probably explains a fair amount of this problem.
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Next round? He could repeat an action related to the loss of 8 Senate races and 54 House seats.
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#83
oh, i can't wait to see how the bog spins his nomination. should be good for a chuckle or 2
KG
Sep 2013
#7
“We are surely a kinder and gentler nation because of you and we can’t thank you enough.”
panzerfaust
Sep 2013
#43
I'm just hoping that I'll just throw up once after the announcement and then my stomach
CTyankee
Sep 2013
#13
Well I get laughed at and scorned by some here but I still say flood the WhiteHouse.gov site
kelliekat44
Sep 2013
#19
hated Geithner can't abide Summers. I can understand Syria though not support it all.
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#30
Trumad you were and are a cornerstone and a pillar of strength around here.
Rebellious Republican
Sep 2013
#41
Wow ...so finally now I can take you off ignore ...and may I welcome you to the dark side...
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#55
one has to wonder if this is the WH floating Summers' name or his advocates trying to make him seem
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#51
As we, as the People, have the right to express our approve or disapproval as we deem fit
Jack Rabbit
Sep 2013
#147
LOL. Right. THAT will be the move to the HARD RIGHT that breaks the camel's back for you...
Romulox
Sep 2013
#48
I'm just providing the information, not arguing for or against its controversial nature.
Jackpine Radical
Sep 2013
#94
Wow ...never thought I would say this ...I agree with you and feel the same way ...and
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#57
I know what you mean, trumad. For me, Obama has been like a wierd girlfriend that...
BlueJazz
Sep 2013
#66
It should be fun to at least watch the apologists spin this latest gift to Wall Street...
truebrit71
Sep 2013
#96
No. No close your eyes, trumad. Bull no knocked up. He glad that man is buy-partisan...
Octafish
Sep 2013
#104
I can't stand Summers, but if he's nominated, the 2014 election will be even more important
Squinch
Sep 2013
#125
Senator Warren can always place his nomination ''on hold,'' and let it die there.
DeSwiss
Sep 2013
#129
I know you are a supporter of our President, and I understand why you feel this way about
Grateful for Hope
Sep 2013
#131