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badtoworse

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41. Concessions was meant in the context of not fighting tooth and nail against new gun control measures

Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:23 PM

Sep 2013

Lets say gun owners said we won't oppose universal background checks and we'll put up with a ten round magazine limit. That wouldn't be the end of it because those measures would have little impact on gun violence. When they didn't work, the gun control crowd would be back looking to ban detachable magazines altogether and limit the amount of ammunition you can own or buy. Given that, why would you not fight new gun control from Day 1?

One continuously making new demands is just as unreasonable as the other side opposing everything. The only solution is a deal where both sides give some things and get some things.

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Navy Yard shooting near U.S. Capitol unlikely to spur new gun laws [View all] Jefferson23 Sep 2013 OP

If only Congress cared enough to do something about it. Rex Sep 2013 #1

What is the number, does one exist that will turn the NRA money useless..I don't know. Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #4

Maybe ten times the number? Rex Sep 2013 #5

I think we have no confidence that such a number exists for the NRA's stranglehold to unwind. Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #8

Gun violence is actually down golfguru Sep 2013 #17

Not to mention some very vocal constituents... Weiter Sep 2013 #19

True many have to depend on votes by NRA members in their state. Rex Sep 2013 #20

Welome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #22

All I'm asking for is an improved background check system derby378 Sep 2013 #2

The Manchin/Toomey proposal would have done nothing about Alexis. former9thward Sep 2013 #15

The state didn't pass Cho's mental illness info to the feds so Cho was able to pass NICS checks. PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #26

Frankly, the only way to slow down mass killings in Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #29

By improved background are you talking specifically mental health reporting rl6214 Sep 2013 #39

Maybe all three share the blame for this derby378 Sep 2013 #40

Unbelivable! malletgirl02 Sep 2013 #3

it's just collateral damage Skittles Sep 2013 #6

What new laws would have prevented this? nt Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #7

Better background checks. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #9

Just include Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #11

In his case, ANY data... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #14

Exactly right. Adam-Bomb Sep 2013 #23

In the past four years, the NRA passed 99 laws making guns easier to own and conceal Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #10

As long as there is a population, many of them kept ignorant xfundy Sep 2013 #12

no shit. If 20 dead 1st graders in NJ didn't get it done, nothing will NightWatcher Sep 2013 #13

Granted, we don't want mentally ill people able to buy guns. Bake Sep 2013 #16

I don't support changes to HIPAA. Open carry, gun show sales and a host of other laws Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #21

It will spur a lot more gun sales, especially shotguns. AlinPA Sep 2013 #18

Only if DiFi proposes AWB 5.0 (Now with Remington 870 Pump action bannage!) n/t X_Digger Sep 2013 #24

I used a walnut & blue steel model in the dove field last wk. Got 10. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #28

Well of course not geomon666 Sep 2013 #25

Here are some possible reasons for little change: Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #27

Of course, you're correct, but it's easier to just blame the NRA for everything badtoworse Sep 2013 #30

That "incrementalism" is the consequence of puritanical prohibition... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #32

It would help if both sides were open to a deal. badtoworse Sep 2013 #36

Like the NRA, the controllers have a tiger by the tail.... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #46

Good summary. It's why nothing constructive ever gets done. badtoworse Sep 2013 #47

I would appreciate knowing what level of gun control reform you support. Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #35

Concessions? That implies an option to say no. badtoworse Sep 2013 #37

Concessions is a word you used in your previous post. That is why I asked Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #38

Concessions was meant in the context of not fighting tooth and nail against new gun control measures badtoworse Sep 2013 #41

If those measures would have little impact on gun violence, what do you propose would Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #42

They would be in the mental health areas and eliminating reasons why people resort to gun violence badtoworse Sep 2013 #43

HIPAA would need to be compromised, that is something the present administration is Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #44

Most semi-automatic handguns today are based on the .45 cal M1911 pistol developed for the military badtoworse Sep 2013 #45

So how would the NRA's roll back on laws help curb the violence? Are you suggesting Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #48

First off, what laws has the NRA rolled back? I'm unaware of any. badtoworse Sep 2013 #49

I have a link for you about the NRA laws that have made it much easier for gun rights Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #50

I had hoped to respond this morning, but Mother Jones crashes my computer at work. badtoworse Sep 2013 #53

He used the most popular hunting shotgun in America NickB79 Sep 2013 #31

According to Remington, over 10,000,000 produced. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #33

I do believe in the US we have a collective list of all types of gun control options Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #34

if a school full of dead 5 year olds didn't spur change, why would anyone think this tragedy would? piratefish08 Sep 2013 #51

Gee, what a fucking surprise. 99Forever Sep 2013 #52