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In reply to the discussion: what is it with DU's collective reluctance to criticize violent video games? [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)250. I disagree. And at the end of the day, so did the complaining Ice-T.
Her efforts more likely had the very opposite effect. Forbidden fruit, and all that. Slap a Parental Advisory sticker on a piece of shit song, and kids wanted it because it was forbidden:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center
It is uncertain whether the "Tipper sticker" is effective in preventing children from being exposed to explicit content.[11] Some suggest that the sticker actually increases record sales. Philip Bailey stated that "For the most part the sticker might even sell more records in some areas - all you've got to do is tell somebody this is a no-no and then that's what they want to go see."[11] Ice-T's "Freedom of Speech" states that "Hey PMRC, you stupid fuckin' assholes/The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold./Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots/The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get." And the Furnaceface song "We Love You, Tipper Gore", from 1991's album Just Buy It, suggests that the label "only whets my appetite ... only makes us want to hear it that much more".
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what is it with DU's collective reluctance to criticize violent video games? [View all]
cali
Sep 2013
OP
Our culture has also segregated blacks, treated gay members like 2nd class citizens
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#50
So, you are asserting that the architectural beauty and inadequate nutritional support
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#192
You seem to believe that I am campaigning for violence. If so, then you are incorrect.
Orrex
Sep 2013
#287
One thing that video games do is let you do things you can't do in real life.
backscatter712
Sep 2013
#274
Criticizing others is not BANNING. And it's telling that many jump to that erroneous position.
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#53
She asked for parental advisory. That is not censorship. Changing definitions does not make it so
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#179
Parent advisory. No different than a movie. No different the a computer game.
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#267
Ice -T was full of stinking shit about "Tip." She wasn't trying to "censor" anyone.
MADem
Sep 2013
#159
So you are all for spouting misogyny. Do I have the free speech to call your quote sexist
seabeyond
Sep 2013
#177
Americans are brought up to Honor...Respect...Play...Support and Enjoy War. Why wouldn't..
BlueJazz
Sep 2013
#9
Well then, my alternate answer to the OP would be something along the lines of:
opiate69
Sep 2013
#227
I never referred to any research.. Shall I find you a roster card to keep track?
opiate69
Sep 2013
#244
The criticism generally takes the form of "BAD THINGS" "THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#48
I realize you got huffy and left your OP after like 2 hours, but what was I unwilling to criticize?
CreekDog
Sep 2013
#247
I think at a fundamental level, everyone realizes that garbage in equals garbage out
LanternWaste
Sep 2013
#14
no fucking duh. and this thread is ample evidence of exactly what I said in the OP
cali
Sep 2013
#24
Theyre no diifferent than violenty books,music,movies,magazines, poetry, plays etc
bowens43
Sep 2013
#18
This is exactly what I was referring to above - a blanket condemnation based on nothing
el_bryanto
Sep 2013
#34
Which raises the question why people love them so much and spend hundreds of hours a
grantcart
Sep 2013
#142
It is sad that anyone is entertained by violence. I don't understand the attraction to
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#27
But you realize that people have been entertained by violence for millennia, right?
Orrex
Sep 2013
#35
Yes, in many different forms. That does not mean imo that we are not capable
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#41
People are free to qualify their socialization to include these games, I don't agree there is
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#74
The benefit is not comparable imo because there is no room for an altered beginning, middle
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#101
Whatever the trappings, in the end, shooting is utilized for the vitual games.
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#119
Oh, so I wasn't actually pretending to shoot all of those Indians when I was a kid?
opiate69
Sep 2013
#126
You're not taking me to task. It is my opinion, and would only be your problem if they were banned
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#134
I believe there is a striking difference, but you likely already knew that. n/t
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#61
I did not suggest it was not violent. I believe my post you responded to earlier explained
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#71
perhaps you should take a course on how the iliad was experienced in its time
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#129
In it's time and it is the equivalent of the participation required of virtual games we
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#135
I see. One can spend their leisure time doing many things, violent games are one.
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#256
The game requires an active participant..that is a significant difference, imo. n/t
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#68
MacBeth was a tragedy that provokes the mind to think, the characters, the dilemma, the
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#78
I don't like the games and most especially, what I don't like is what you have highlighted
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#99
You're presuming I prefer these games were banned. I stated much earlier, I do not.
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#108
No, you should not feel any need to bother to repeat. The dullness is not the objection in and
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#144
Movies have been much less violent and porny over the last 20 years or so.
ZombieHorde
Sep 2013
#285
You are laying out problems that have to do with economic instability...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#178
The problem is that available research into video games shows a negative correlation...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#188
I don't see why it would be strange, games, of all sorts, including video games...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#248
I shouldn't have to do this, but look at the various sources here...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#249
I haven't played the newest version, but yes, I saw the satire in older versions.
backscatter712
Sep 2013
#83
The GTA series has always had a certain amount of satire/parody vis a vis American culture
Mike Daniels
Sep 2013
#39
GTA is crap. Crap is made on purpose so that all media becomes a dumpster-dive...
dogknob
Sep 2013
#42
What can I say about GTA 5 that has not already been said about Afghanistan?
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#44
Indeed they are.. but, we have our first dig of the season tonight.. I'm hoping for more of this!
opiate69
Sep 2013
#131
heh.. well, let's write one up! There's brazillians to be made, Rex! We'll be moguls!!
opiate69
Sep 2013
#148
I guess a lot of us don't like them, but I don't think anyone thinks they should be banned.
Nye Bevan
Sep 2013
#60
Because for all the violence in some titles, video games are actually pretty good.
NuclearDem
Sep 2013
#76
Estes Kevauver flipped a shit about violent comic books which led to the Comics Code Authority
Hippo_Tron
Sep 2013
#91
Gotta love that warmongering piece of human shit like Joey Lies...
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Sep 2013
#184
Because so many folks think of themselves as propagandists rather than persons discussing things
cthulu2016
Sep 2013
#92
The OP is about criticism not censorship - do you think the two are the same thing? n/t
PoliticAverse
Sep 2013
#122
Because moral panics over media *invariably* drag things in that direction. (nt)
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#176
Are you unhappy that others play the game or because it has some tangible effect on you?
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2013
#132
Not the 21st century version of the "backward masking" Puritans form the early 80's?
TheKentuckian
Sep 2013
#133
I think eventually a lot of the physics in the software engines behind video games
fujiyama
Sep 2013
#191
I don't understand, youth violence is down, across the board, in the United States, since about...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#160
Do we also criticize violent or misogynist books, movies, and music?
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#163
The problem, is again, criticizing whole genres rather than individual works...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#166
We generally don't, since those are grandfathered in as "different" and therefore okay.
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#175
The thing is, people have no problems talking about bad books, movies, songs, etc.
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#180
Mostly just that - they're a new medium, and novelty plus generation gap brings that out
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#185
What is it with the anti-game crowd's reluctance to criticise any other forms of media? (nt)
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#173
Heh, reminds me of movies, and books, Paranormal romance crap for young teens...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2013
#181
I find it difficult to criticize a game or any media title I am not familiar with
fujiyama
Sep 2013
#194
Many of the people on this site who rip on the game would love it if they actually knew about it
Bjorn Against
Sep 2013
#199
I notice a lot of the people who criticize aren't real familiar with what they actually are.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#204
The fact that most game panics are framed entirely in terms of GTA or FPSes is telling
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#241
I've noticed a general tendency of some people to argue against the fictions in their own heads
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2013
#245
I haven't played it yet, but nearly everything I've heard echoes what you're saying
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#286
Becuase it'd be as dumb as lambasting cinema, literature, or sculpture. eom
TransitJohn
Sep 2013
#216
Oh Please.. I been playing Violent Video games sense the Sega Genesis first gaming system.
Walter-White
Sep 2013
#217
You lucked out. I replayed Portal 2 last month and I'm a potato now. (nt)
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#239
The sexism discussion in the industry the last few years has been something to follow.
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#243
Because most children and adults can usually distinguish between fantasy and reality.
baldguy
Sep 2013
#288
The idea that people can't generally leads to poorly performing theoretical models
Major Nikon
Sep 2013
#293