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11. Yeah, there's a shoot-out every night in the retirement communities.

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Wed Sep 25, 2013, 07:35 AM

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Here's What You Can Buy At The Biggest Gun Show In The Southeast{image warning} [View all] xchrom Sep 2013 OP

The business of fear is booming - nt Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #3

We got two choices...and we have chosen...poorly. deutsey Sep 2013 #14

Wow!! Guns and ammo!! badtoworse Sep 2013 #2

Certainly not regulations or anything approaching sanity or decency. EOTE Sep 2013 #10

The laws governing guns are the same inside a gun show as they are outside a gun show. hack89 Sep 2013 #21

Regulated so much that any random psycho can pick up just about any arm he wants from a EOTE Sep 2013 #22

We definitely need universal background checks hack89 Sep 2013 #25

They work fine until some psycho in one of those states decides to travel to another state. EOTE Sep 2013 #39

That's what I meant when I said "universal" hack89 Sep 2013 #41

depends on the show Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #27

Uhhh, the gun show in the OP does, indeed, allow private sales. EOTE Sep 2013 #30

Of course private sales in another state are already illegal Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #43

There are plenty of states where private sales are perfectly legal. EOTE Sep 2013 #46

I don't disagree Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #53

Needs to go through FFL, who will maintain records, be accountable for following rules, etc. Hoyt Sep 2013 #70

There is no need to wait for a gun show... Bay Boy Sep 2013 #119

Agreed. That's a problem too. The "Private Sales Loophole" needs to be closed. Hoyt Sep 2013 #133

So can we agree to DEfocus on "teh ebil GUNSHOWZ!!!1!" and work sir pball Sep 2013 #160

+1. When I finally sold off my dad's guns -- target and antiques mostly -- went through FFL. Hoyt Sep 2013 #176

It's the only way any rational person should dispose of a firearm sir pball Sep 2013 #200

I support UBCs. Be aware that even with such, you run into the dynamic of Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #240

Unless I'm mistaken, private sales are still subject to state regulation... badtoworse Sep 2013 #29

You are mistaken. EOTE Sep 2013 #31

I said state law badtoworse Sep 2013 #34

Ahhh, so private sales are still subject to state laws which don't exist. EOTE Sep 2013 #36

"Just as the gun nutters want it" badtoworse Sep 2013 #42

Bullshit, they wanted a "Well regulated militia". EOTE Sep 2013 #45

Have you considered decaf? badtoworse Sep 2013 #50

Ahhh, so not what the founders wanted, but what Roberts and Scalia wanted. EOTE Sep 2013 #54

To be honest... Bay Boy Sep 2013 #129

Funny how things are capable of changing in 200 plus years. EOTE Sep 2013 #139

I've certainly not advocated for Bay Boy Sep 2013 #259

Nice straw man. Does it keep the crows out of your garden? Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #158

And where does the "well regulated" part come in? EOTE Sep 2013 #159

That qualifier is ascribed to the militia. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #164

And what is "well regulated" about giving any psycho who wants one a gun? EOTE Sep 2013 #167

I think you're seeing/hearing what you WANT to see. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #184

Really? The RKBA crowd doesn't want any such thing? EOTE Sep 2013 #193

See above. Repeat as needed. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #209

So, tell me what the RKBA crowd is doing to prevent violent criminals from owning firearms. EOTE Sep 2013 #212

Still not bothering to read what I write, I see. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #217

If by universal, you mean federally mandated, then you and I agree. EOTE Sep 2013 #218

I do, yes. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #222

Then you're not the norm for the RKBA crowd. EOTE Sep 2013 #224

Actually, the UBC has been and IS discussed by the "RKBA crowd" regularly Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #241

What I've heard a number of times from the gunners here is that by "Universal Background Checks" EOTE Sep 2013 #243

A ready explanation: The gun-controllers have poisoned the well Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #258

Logic Alert. Logic Alert. Logic Alert. oldhippie Sep 2013 #187

You're telling me that there are no states in which anyone who wants one can walk into a gunshow EOTE Sep 2013 #191

I rest my case ...... oldhippie Sep 2013 #202

You do know that "I rest my case" is usually preceded by some form of logic or facts. EOTE Sep 2013 #203

No, he's not mistaken, and neither are you ...... oldhippie Sep 2013 #37

States CAN place further restrictions. EOTE Sep 2013 #38

Choice .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #40

There are some things which shouldn't be left up for states to decide. EOTE Sep 2013 #44

Like gay marriage or marijuana laws? That is a two edged sword you are swinging there. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #47

Do you disagree that there are some things the state shouldn't have the ability to decide? EOTE Sep 2013 #49

Every state has to respect the civil rights of their citizens hack89 Sep 2013 #57

I believe one of those rights is "life". EOTE Sep 2013 #62

Show me a state law that permits convicted violent felons to buy guns. hack89 Sep 2013 #65

Sure, it's illegal to sell guns to felons in every state. EOTE Sep 2013 #68

The Federal government does not get to decide how states enforce their own laws hack89 Sep 2013 #75

Yet somehow they got to decide that you can't purchase fully automatic weapons. EOTE Sep 2013 #79

You can purchase them - there are 32,000 legal machine guns in VA alone hack89 Sep 2013 #96

You mean, the government REQUIRES those background checks? TYRANNY!!!!! EOTE Sep 2013 #98

ok. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #103

That's a little false equivalency right there derby378 Sep 2013 #272

The background check doesn't need to be that extensive. EOTE Sep 2013 #276

None officially. But there is one State with a large city with street gangs that turn out the vote AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #278

Are you arguing against abortion now? Bay Boy Sep 2013 #124

The not so good at reading crowd might get something like that. EOTE Sep 2013 #144

You're thinking of the 14th Amendment, exercised in McDonald. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #242

Nope. Not at all. nt EOTE Sep 2013 #244

Unfortunately for you, the 14th clears up a lot of the arguments you've proffered. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #260

Unfortunately for you, you have no idea of what I'm talking. EOTE Sep 2013 #267

Keep up your culture war. Makes it easy for the "nutters." nt Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #269

Easier to what? Plan their next murder? EOTE Sep 2013 #274

Exactly what I expected ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #51

Wow, so you believe we should have the choice to own another person? EOTE Sep 2013 #59

Posts that start with "So you believe ..." about something I don't believe, ... oldhippie Sep 2013 #185

And you are anti-life. EOTE Sep 2013 #201

"You think ...." .... oldhippie Sep 2013 #204

No more than you. EOTE Sep 2013 #205

"Now we're giving states the "choice" to provide guns to depraved psychotics..." badtoworse Sep 2013 #52

But it IS given to the federal government, which is exactly what we should be doing. EOTE Sep 2013 #55

"But it IS given to the federal government" badtoworse Sep 2013 #58

What part of "well regulated militia" don't you understand? nt EOTE Sep 2013 #60

That was the stated reason for DENYING a certain power to the federal government badtoworse Sep 2013 #64

So, just so we're clear here. EOTE Sep 2013 #66

Why don't you do your own research and look up what "militia" meant to the founding fathers? badtoworse Sep 2013 #69

No need. You've already informed me. EOTE Sep 2013 #73

Is this a power you want to give a repuke president and congress? hack89 Sep 2013 #61

We're not talking about one state, we're talking about federal law. EOTE Sep 2013 #63

I support it. It just requires each state to pass a law. hack89 Sep 2013 #72

So what you're supporting is NOT universal. It's "whenever the states get around to it". EOTE Sep 2013 #74

If the ACA was restricted to a single state with no interstate component hack89 Sep 2013 #86

Yes, the ACA was a nationwide and LEGAL act passed for the benefit of all. EOTE Sep 2013 #90

You do realize that you can legally own fully automatic weapons? hack89 Sep 2013 #97

But with mandatory federal background checks. EOTE Sep 2013 #100

"But some minds are more inflexible than orders." - Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot. badtoworse Sep 2013 #105

Sure, the other side's opinions are probably even MORE strongly held as mine. EOTE Sep 2013 #109

The Feds basically wrote the law as a tax bill under their power to tax hack89 Sep 2013 #114

There is nothing that prevents them from doing the same thing with all firearms. EOTE Sep 2013 #136

How? Time for you to get specific hack89 Sep 2013 #137

It's in the 2nd amendment. EOTE Sep 2013 #141

The Bill of Rights is a limit on government power hack89 Sep 2013 #147

And any state cannot take for granted a right something that is NOT in the constitution or bill of EOTE Sep 2013 #152

Show me the words abortion or privacy in the Constitution - and think about what you are saying. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #170

The president and the Democratic party platform says otherwise hack89 Sep 2013 #148

Even for criminals and the insane? nt EOTE Sep 2013 #155

We were talking about the 2A giving powers to the Federal government hack89 Sep 2013 #172

That right is predicated on being well regulated. EOTE Sep 2013 #177

And of course you can point out the case law that supports this? hack89 Sep 2013 #183

There's nothing to consider. EOTE Sep 2013 #188

So the 2A gives Congress the power to pass any gun law they want. hack89 Sep 2013 #192

So, the 2A gives anyone the right to own any arm they see fit. EOTE Sep 2013 #194

No - the 2A can be restricted. Didn't you read Heller? hack89 Sep 2013 #195

So, it can be restricted, but not to the point where we say they can't be sold to violent felons. EOTE Sep 2013 #196

It is against the law to sell guns to violent felons. hack89 Sep 2013 #197

And do you HONESTLY think that prevents them from being sold in states where there are no background EOTE Sep 2013 #198

That is not the issue at hand hack89 Sep 2013 #208

They had the ability to regulate SOME firearms. EOTE Sep 2013 #211

The Congress used their power of taxation to regulate automatic weapons hack89 Sep 2013 #213

Automatic weapons and a number of other weapons. EOTE Sep 2013 #214

Their power of taxation. Didn't you read what I wrote? hack89 Sep 2013 #215

What is there to prevent another National Firearms Act? EOTE Sep 2013 #216

Because UBCs for intrastate private sales is not a federal taxation issue? hack89 Sep 2013 #219

And why couldn't it be? EOTE Sep 2013 #220

Because the states have sovereignty that prevents it hack89 Sep 2013 #223

But why didn't they have the sovereignty to prevent the regulation of machine guns? EOTE Sep 2013 #225

Because it was not an intrastate commerce issue. hack89 Sep 2013 #226

And there is absolutely no reason the same couldn't apply for all firearms. EOTE Sep 2013 #227

We are talking about transactions. That is the distinction that you refuse to grasp. hack89 Sep 2013 #229

So you're telling me that congress can't regulate intrastate transactiopns in terms of machine gun EOTE Sep 2013 #231

ok nt hack89 Sep 2013 #232

This whole sub thread shows that ..... oldhippie Sep 2013 #199

You could affect state laws, too. If you had the support. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #245

You'd need to affect state laws in all the remaining states at once for that to be worth anything. EOTE Sep 2013 #246

Less than 30 yrs ago, few states had "shall issue" CCW. Now, over 40... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #261

That's called regress. I suppose you'd prefer if it were unrestricted nation wide? EOTE Sep 2013 #266

Re-read my post regarding the commerce clause... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #270

Probably at least half of them. EOTE Sep 2013 #275

I see you like calling people "gunnutters".. NM_Birder Sep 2013 #277

I see. So it's those calling for sensible regulation who are causing these mass murders. EOTE Sep 2013 #279

if you drive a car, yet are unable to stop drunk drivers.... NM_Birder Sep 2013 #280

Cars are strongly regulated. EOTE Sep 2013 #283

your car is manufactured, advertised and sold NM_Birder Sep 2013 #285

the regulations don't appear to be working samsingh Sep 2013 #81

Pressure needs to be put on the states to require UBCs. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #87

How so? Gun-related crime has been trending downward for years. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #88

people are getting killed with guns all over the place samsingh Sep 2013 #264

Gun deaths have been cut 50% in the past 30 years NickB79 Sep 2013 #281

that's no consolation to the people being killed with guns today samsingh Sep 2013 #284

It looks like a collection of some of the least able people on the planet DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #71

yes it does samsingh Sep 2013 #83

a lot of dim witted people who don't care about innocent people being slaughtered. samsingh Sep 2013 #80

scary guns and man killer ammo. ileus Sep 2013 #182

I know right! nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #262

Article pushing an agenda Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #4

Granted. But if one takes the high side, one must also admit the hind side. longship Sep 2013 #56

Your opinion on ownership of Jenoch Sep 2013 #95

the agenda is to safe lives from gun nut insanity samsingh Sep 2013 #84

Someone somewhere is legally selling someone a gun. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #5

The handy thing about guns shows is that it is all legal BainsBane Sep 2013 #7

He looks like my Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #8

I am sorry to hear that BainsBane Sep 2013 #9

I am glad my grandpa Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #16

So why did you choose to equate him with someone who is clearly homicidal? BainsBane Sep 2013 #17

I am glad you can diagnose over Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #19

What does the shirt say? BainsBane Sep 2013 #20

I can Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #23

The shirt expresses a disdain for the police and their services- a sentiment held by most of DU Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #26

So the reaction to this tee shirt would be a perfect example BainsBane Sep 2013 #28

Actually, anyone defending the t-shirt Jenoch Sep 2013 #99

No, it is still illegal for felons to buy. And illegal to sell to them. Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Sep 2013 #18

As usual, you ignore the reality of private gun sales BainsBane Sep 2013 #265

That is hilarious. pintobean Sep 2013 #268

Perhaps things have changed since 2001 NickB79 Sep 2013 #282

Let's hope it's not James Holmes, Jared Loughner, Sueng Hui Cho or Aaron Alexis. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #24

Thus the need for universal background checks... Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #93

That tee shirt says it all BainsBane Sep 2013 #6

Yeah, there's a shoot-out every night in the retirement communities. pintobean Sep 2013 #11

My 72 year old neighbor HockeyMom Sep 2013 #33

I would like to invent a giant flying mechanic hand jpak Sep 2013 #13

I see paranoid rednecks. morningfog Sep 2013 #15

wow, geezer in first photo needs either to do some arm workouts or wear a little longer sleeve... CTyankee Sep 2013 #32

A nice place for Americans itching Turbineguy Sep 2013 #35

Possibly. But if so, I find it strange that gun violence in Florida is now at the lowest levels ... spin Sep 2013 #150

It would do that yes. Turbineguy Sep 2013 #174

I live in Florida and I don't know anyone who is afraid to go out. ... spin Sep 2013 #228

Actually Turbineguy Sep 2013 #235

I lived in a fairly bad neighborhood in Tampa for many years. ... spin Sep 2013 #237

"Afraid to go out?" Florida? A sub-tropical tourist state? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #248

And again... factual FAIL krispos42 Sep 2013 #48

I have been to gun shows. People with a gun to sell upaloopa Sep 2013 #92

Bingo! But the gun huggers pretend like they are unaware of that fact. n/t rdharma Sep 2013 #102

There is good and bad everywhere. upaloopa Sep 2013 #104

And that exact same transaction could be done in a McDonald's parking lot... krispos42 Sep 2013 #108

Sure. But it draws more attention...... and the selection is limited. nt rdharma Sep 2013 #115

Gun Control & RKBA group - 2 blocked members pintobean Sep 2013 #123

Yes. The RKBA group is just filled with those of diverse opinions! rdharma Sep 2013 #128

The numbers speak for themselves pintobean Sep 2013 #131

I guess you boys get tired of the "echo chamber". rdharma Sep 2013 #134

Aren't you a regular of castle Bansalot? hack89 Sep 2013 #127

You meant the massive list of 2 members? krispos42 Sep 2013 #132

186 people have trashed your forum. Robb Sep 2013 #135

And it's still 3x busier than yours. krispos42 Sep 2013 #142

I know it hurts to see all your right-wing gun buddies getting banned. Robb Sep 2013 #145

I love how... krispos42 Sep 2013 #151

You are not a RW troll. Robb Sep 2013 #157

He thinks I am. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #249

Well, these discussions can lead to a narrow focus. krispos42 Sep 2013 #251

You post here, we post here. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #256

It's not a different topic upaloopa Sep 2013 #210

Illegal versus convenience krispos42 Sep 2013 #230

No body is talking about what is legal or not upaloopa Sep 2013 #234

The OP is, which was what I was trying to correct. krispos42 Sep 2013 #250

OK got it upaloopa Sep 2013 #253

I appreciate our conversation krispos42 Sep 2013 #254

we should remain respectful to one another upaloopa Sep 2013 #255

I always sell mine via the paper sir pball Sep 2013 #163

I guess felons know where to get their guns better than you. rdharma Sep 2013 #263

A lot of us shooting enthusiasts support universal background checks. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #190

here's the deal BainsBane Sep 2013 #122

In my experience there are not "lots" of private sellers; krispos42 Sep 2013 #130

Yeah, SD is very underpopulated BainsBane Sep 2013 #146

Well, they still filled a convention hall. krispos42 Sep 2013 #156

I'm not far from you, in MN BainsBane Sep 2013 #165

I'm in Connecticut, now krispos42 Sep 2013 #166

that's right. I remember now. BainsBane Sep 2013 #168

I don't know how many gun shows you have been to. Jenoch Sep 2013 #236

haha I love the Image Warning in the title. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #67

I think you misunderstood the intent of that warning. nt. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #101

I don't think so... GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #107

It's a common warning in threads with pics since some people still use dialups. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #111

ohhh.. is that what this is all about... GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #117

Probability would suggest so. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #120

laughter all day keeps the doctor away!!! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #121

I'm glad to have offered you a habitat for hilarity. nt Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #125

you're too kind! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #126

You're wrong. People complain about image heavy threads xchrom Sep 2013 #113

hahahahahaha GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #118

This shit needs to be shut down gopiscrap Sep 2013 #76

So the place is clearner nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #77

your concern is noted. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #89

Of course it is, gunnies hate the comparison nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #91

good thing our streets don't look the same!! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #94

And your point? The comparison was to the guns nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #106

I get it. You hate gun. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #110

And you would be so wrong it is not funny nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #112

is that a compliment? GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #116

disgusting sight - all harginers of death samsingh Sep 2013 #78

Fuck the small stuff. unhappycamper Sep 2013 #82

why stop there - that's kid stuff samsingh Sep 2013 #85

Gross & Frightening otohara Sep 2013 #138

Just sat on a jury for this OP, accused of being "gun porn." Robb Sep 2013 #140

What juror # were you? Frankie the Bird Sep 2013 #189

Me, too. Iggo Sep 2013 #206

From the title I expected something dramatic... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #143

But don't you know? Those are EVIL!! Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #153

Of course, as are all gun owners and the indifferent like me. nt Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #162

I'd like to pick up a M&P9 or 40. ileus Sep 2013 #149

LOL! "We don't call 911." What a line of bullshit. Rex Sep 2013 #154

Yep. That shirt is industrial-strength stupid. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #161

Thank you Rex Sep 2013 #171

Oh, wow! Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #186

They call it to hurl racist epithets and get their latest kill on record ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #173

If a 'stranger' was walking in their yard Rex Sep 2013 #178

Yeah. krispos42 Sep 2013 #180

If that is their mentality, then 'responsible gun owner' Rex Sep 2013 #181

Nobody else has said it yet, so I will, rrneck Sep 2013 #169

I wonder if any black people showed up? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #175

I've seen plenty of black people at gun shows madville Sep 2013 #257

Gee. Everything you might need (except Sarin) to commit a war crime. leveymg Sep 2013 #179

This crap makes me cringe that I am an American. Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #207

if i had somewhere to shoot.... madrchsod Sep 2013 #221

Guns for everyone! GUN OWNERSIP and FIREARM-RELATED DEATHS Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #233

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #238

welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #239

Enjoy your time on DU. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #252

Xchrom. That "Gunshine State" slogan wielded by the controller/banners: Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #247

Wow! The folks over in the gungeon must be seriously getting off by this display of gun porn. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #271

....A bag of pot? Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #273