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In reply to the discussion: The Seven Lying Democrats That Betrayed Democracy, and Joined GOP on HR 368 to Deny Vote on Clean CR [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)133. What a diversionary, distorting reply,
Last edited Tue Oct 15, 2013, 09:48 PM - Edit history (7)
but illustrative of the corporate propaganda that is now ubiquitous on this site.
You chose to ignore the most relevant information in that thread expressing the rage of DU at another "bargain" that overwhelmingly favors the rich. Look at the numbers:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022115254#post23
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #20)Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:52 AM
woo me with science (22,592 posts)
23. And the middle class and poor will pay much, much more than the rich.
Not only does this public relations tax increase affect only a small fraction of the wealthy who should be paying, it is insulting in its size and the amount of money it does collect, compared to the amount of money that will be squeezed from Americans who have already been knocked down and robbed over and over and over again.
Look how obscene the numbers are: The new taxes on the top two percent will collect a measly 600 billion dollars, out of more than FOUR TRILLION that the White House seeks to collect over the next decade. Guess who's in line to be soaked for the rest?
http://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/542987339047200
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022110382
Always watch the numbers. Watch the profits of insurance companies, oil companies, bankers, and thieves. Watch the expanding gap between rich and poor. There's always a bargain, and the poor are always the losers. Every. Single. Time.
You have argued irrelevancies throughout this thread and relentlessly diverted from the main point. You argue whether 5 votes is a "large" margin, or you argue that since Dems don't lose by "just enough" (i.e., one vote every single time), that the pattern of corporateward lurch after corporateward lurch is somehow irrelevant or does not exist.
And now you distort my point by arguing that since members of the Progressive Caucus do not serve as the "rotating villains" every single time, that the entire pattern of betrayal does not exist. Never mind that the list I posted shows Betrayal after Betrayal after Betrayal caused by the voting behavior of Democrats, whether Blue Dogs alone or members of the Progressive Caucus happen to be the "rotating villains" of the moment.
And even as you attempt to use these absurd irrelevancies to divert from the overwhelming pattern of corporate sellout through Democratic votes, you at the same time offer the bizarre, Orwellian claim that this week's most recent betrayal by Democrats is *counterevidence* to what I am saying. In other words, a new betrayal vote is *evidence* that the pattern of betrayal votes is illusory.
You can't make this stuff up.
The point is that the corporate outcome is consistent. It is a pattern. It is deliberate. And it is utterly consistent with the relentless, proactive corporate direction of this administration since Day One, detailed in this list that blows apart the absurd propaganda claim that Republican obstructionism is the only or main problem here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3202395 . Of course, the quiet replacement by the administration of a public option with the corporate ACA in back-door meetings with insurance executives, even as he was still lying to the public that it was still on the table, and even though the public option was very popular in polls at the time and could have been pushed with public support, is just one particularly ugly example. The direction of this administration is relentlessly corporate, and the behavior of Democrats in Congress is glaringly consistent. We have a problem. Not with rogue Democrats here and there, but with the overwhelming *chosen* direction of the Party.
Every Democrat who cares about the Party, and every American who cares about the nation, needs to face this problem of corporate money driving policy. The excuses, denials, and rationalizations do not cut it anymore. There's a reason this country is in crisis now. Republicans have long been trying to loot the country like this. The difference now is that corporatists have now seized control of our Party, too, and the Democratic Party is no longer standing in the way of the looting.
The cherry on top is your attempt here and below to dismiss this entire history of betrayal after betrayal...the continued relentless increase of the gap between rich and poor through policy even under a Democratic administration....by mocking one journalist who happened to write about it. You know the corporate propaganda has no good response to an argument when the reflexive smears of Glenn Greenwald ("GG" and cries of "Libertarian!" are trotted out.
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The Seven Lying Democrats That Betrayed Democracy, and Joined GOP on HR 368 to Deny Vote on Clean CR [View all]
kpete
Oct 2013
OP
Presumably Boehner could force another rule change to take control back from Cantor
BlueStreak
Oct 2013
#1
Were you unable to recall Gifford's name or is there some sort of derision involved?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#97
OK, but why not focus on what she's done that you don't like rather than her being shot in the head?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#99
They can't be that stupid, they knew what Cantor stood for and what would happen as a result. n/t
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#14
It makes no sense. There were already 221 GOP votes. Their votes weren't needed to pass it.
SunSeeker
Oct 2013
#20
Because now the meme can be that both Dems and Republicans voted against a clean CR...
CoffeeCat
Oct 2013
#72
They weren't even needed. There were already 221 GOP votes; only 217 was needed to pass.
SunSeeker
Oct 2013
#24
Barrow is a waste of skin. Trying to appease the Ga repukes who still hate him
NightWatcher
Oct 2013
#22
And again we are conned. The familiar "rotating villains" strategy.
woo me with science
Oct 2013
#23
It was not that close. There were 4 -5 spare GOP votes. These DINO's 7 were totally unnecessary.
SunSeeker
Oct 2013
#69
As per the unwritten rules for obligatory corporate Dem propaganda responses,
woo me with science
Oct 2013
#102
The propaganda will always be mystified at why Democrats betrayed us "this time."
woo me with science
Oct 2013
#140
Other than these 7, there have been remarkably few "betrayals" in this shutdown crisis.
SunSeeker
Oct 2013
#141
Having been shown your GG theory isn't applicable here, you resort to personal attacks.
SunSeeker
Oct 2013
#117
Arguing that my accurate description of the *arguments* and *tactics* in your posts
woo me with science
Oct 2013
#136
Calling me a "corporate Dem" is a personal attack, is factually wrong and is bullying.
SunSeeker
Oct 2013
#139
Are you saying these 7 did it because they wanted to provide cover to Republicans?
SunSeeker
Oct 2013
#82
Thanks for the great informative post. I had figured out about half of this, but
GoneFishin
Oct 2013
#67
They are seven nobodies. Less than zero, given what they've done. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 2013
#26
Is there a single district in this nation which elected a Democrat yet supports a shutdown?
Bjorn Against
Oct 2013
#45
Yes. I disagree with that. Winning the next election should not be the end game.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#86
Those representatives did serve the public interest. They didn't threaten the vote result --
pnwmom
Oct 2013
#87
More evidence that the Democratic Party leadership has been taken over by conservatives.
Scuba
Oct 2013
#68
Remember if you donate to the DNC these nitwits will most likely get part of it.
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#71
I'm sure there are pork barrel government contracts in their districts on the chopping block
Snake Plissken
Oct 2013
#108
CAREERIST! There many people in public office who simply look at their positions as their careers.
Douglas Carpenter
Oct 2013
#81
the vote to shut down the government is extremely unpopular - it would have hardly been risky
Douglas Carpenter
Oct 2013
#92
I understand that real politic does mean sometimes compromising one's principles - hell it doesn't
Douglas Carpenter
Oct 2013
#95
If their districts are so feverishly far right that they can't avoid joining ranks with the sedition
TheKentuckian
Oct 2013
#123
Its the three from Minnesota and New York I don't get. How desperate for a job are they ....
marble falls
Oct 2013
#107