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Pretzel_Warrior

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20. I think it's because they hate old people. Yeah, that's it.

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:15 PM

Oct 2013

They really really hate old people or anyone on social security--especially those TAKERS who actually rely on it. There can be no doubt that Obama is in an 8 year long con. We're supposed to believe he's a progressive, but then he's going to sign into law a number of bills that cut social security benefits for all, raise social security eligibility to 75, put lifetime caps on Medicare payouts for patients, start ground wars with at least 2 sovereign nations, and complete plans to drill in ANWAR and have the oil pumpede through pipelines criss-crossing the U.S.'s most environmentally sensitive areas.

He's just a bad, bad, bad man.

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Let's Get Down To Brass Tacks... WHY... Would Barack Obama, And Fellow Dems Support The... [View all] WillyT Oct 2013 OP

They want to undermine Democratic candidates in the 2014 elections? Scuba Oct 2013 #1

I have wondered the same thing. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #61

They don't feel entitled? Fumesucker Oct 2013 #2

Oh... C'Mon... THEY Are The MOST Entitled... WillyT Oct 2013 #5

Democrats never seem to have the capacity to press an advantage? NuclearDem Oct 2013 #3

Maybe they don't support it. silverweb Oct 2013 #4

Once might be a plan.... daleanime Oct 2013 #53

Damned if I know, my dear WillyT! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2013 #6

My Dear Peg... WillyT Oct 2013 #9

If I were to indulge in very wishful thinking, I'd say... Silent3 Oct 2013 #7

Nonsense. I have seen this talking point about 'reversing' legislation that sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #30

Did you see the words "if I were to indulge in VERY WISHFUL THINKING"? Silent3 Oct 2013 #34

The Democrats won't get a thing Enthusiast Oct 2013 #62

Here's a new question: Why would a Democratic Underground member even ask this question.... NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #8

Really... REALLY !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #11

Excellent, then please include it in the OP! NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #12

Did you see that post this morning? jberryhill Oct 2013 #15

You demanded links and info you could refute. You got them. Now you're ignoring them. Marr Oct 2013 #78

Uh-oh, Willy--You just ran afoul of the Denial Machine. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #13

You know, it's a courtesy to provide context. People are busy, people are working.... NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #17

Sorry...gotta go with what Skip said. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #18

I Dunno DG... WillyT Oct 2013 #28

I read your posts cause I know it will be something I am interested in dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #29

Here's the "missing link." Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #73

Another honest question. Are you saying that the President has not included sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #31

you seem to do this a lot Sheepshank Oct 2013 #72

I asked a question. I wonder why that would bother anyone ... sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #88

you made up stuff, and then tried to use it as a bludgeon Sheepshank Oct 2013 #92

I received a civil response to my sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #96

We need to fight. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #83

I can agree that presentation if important. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #90

You know why. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #10

In exchange for tax increases on the wealthy... That's about all they'd do it for scheming daemons Oct 2013 #14

Well Geez then, why not ask for both?........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #16

What right do they have to trade the already menial amount of money sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #32

"I'm beginning to wonder, is it really weakness..." CrispyQ Oct 2013 #74

Given the history, it would be natural to wonder why he is doing this now? What's the catch? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #76

Well, since actions speak louder than words dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #19

I think it's because they hate old people. Yeah, that's it. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #20

So... You'd Be OK With A New Rule Starting With 55 Year Olds... 45 Year Olds ??? WillyT Oct 2013 #21

you just asked why they would screw with SS. I just answered. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #23

Finally... I Understand You... WillyT Oct 2013 #24

How about something more simple. Like HONESTY eg. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #36

You didn't answer, you posted a bit of childish snark. /nt Marr Oct 2013 #79

I did answer. The entire premise is bogus Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #81

Your assertion then is that the offer did not actually happen? Marr Oct 2013 #95

Not to pick nits, Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #25

lol. thanks! it's been a couple of years or so since it's been in daily talking points Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #26

He/They wouldn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #22

very well put! Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #27

Frankly ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #35

I certainly appreciate your strategic insights. Laelth Oct 2013 #58

And I suspect that ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #66

I still hope you continue to give us your insights. Laelth Oct 2013 #69

The CBPP said CCPI *must* come with a poverty exception. joshcryer Oct 2013 #37

I don't know ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #39

Yup. joshcryer Oct 2013 #40

I doubt Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #45

Fwiw, I've always believed this to be case as well. PragmaticLiberal Oct 2013 #43

The can bite ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #48

You'd think after 10 or 15 times they'd get this. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #63

But on a positive note ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #67

Agree. And ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #70

It's disingenuous to even talk about SS in regards to the deficit. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #84

Chained-CPI would come with a poverty exception. joshcryer Oct 2013 #33

because we live in a an oligarchy. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #38

Because they know customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #41

Why Not Raise The Cap ??? WillyT Oct 2013 #42

The Republicans would push it as a tax hike. joshcryer Oct 2013 #47

If There Is A Not Better Time... To Promote Taxing The Rich... I Don't Know What Would Be... WillyT Oct 2013 #49

I agree. It only affects the top 5.2% joshcryer Oct 2013 #50

That's part of the solution customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #59

If we want to save SS and Medicare we shouldn't be cutting funding. We should be increasing funding liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #44

And where's that money coming from under present law? customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #60

SS is not running out of money. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #85

Ever since the Great Recession started customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #100

Because they believe they can survive the results better than Republicans who let taxes rise Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #46

Not All Democrats Support this colsohlibgal Oct 2013 #51

Obama: self-infatuation. The rest: triangulation. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #52

This is it, here it comes .... any second!!!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #64

why'd he give us HeritageCare? why'd he drone? he knows there's enough people to cover for him MisterP Oct 2013 #54

Because the entitlement cuts are means-tested, and it raises taxes Recursion Oct 2013 #55

Obama? Because he really doesn't care about seniors. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #56

Answer: Wall Street $$$$ YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #57

Even the BOG regulars... 99Forever Oct 2013 #65

when they do, i'll give you my thoughts. spanone Oct 2013 #68

Duopoly good cop bad cop bullshit. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #71

+10 avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #94

Presumably, because they were able to extract worthy concessions geek tragedy Oct 2013 #75

Took the words out of my mouth Southside Oct 2013 #82

Why even make this trade if SS doesn't contribute to the deficit or debt? CrispyQ Oct 2013 #87

Same reason one would trade a pitcher for a 3d baseman. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #89

I don't buy that. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #97

If it's not much of a concession, then you don't do the deal. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #98

Whether "we" want to admit it fredamae Oct 2013 #77

Maybe there are those that believe there are problems taught_me_patience Oct 2013 #80

Cutting benefits is not the way to ensure that the SS continues to sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #91

Good to see you, I knew you'd be here customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #102

You are either independently wealthy or have no clue as to Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #99

Exactly customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #101

Because they've borrowed the money & don't want to pay it back. -nt CrispyQ Oct 2013 #86

Noam Chomsky: woo me with science Oct 2013 #93

Exactly. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #103