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joshcryer

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87. Hey, Manny.

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:54 AM

Nov 2013

I've tried to engage you so much in the past.

At this point... no. I can't take it seriously. The US is literally founded on the backs of plutocrats. The idea that it wasn't so is a joke and a half. We're talking slavers and millionaires, even in their time. The US was never egalitarian, and it struggles for egalitarianism to this day.

When Hillary is the nominee I expect your resignation as 1st Way Many. It's going to suck, I hope you don't combuste. I like you. The entertainment is gold. Literally, ManyGoldstein. I look forward to the many other posters here who won't be able to contain themselves, because, a Hillary nomination would blow their minds.

Note: my preference is not to nominate Hillary as President, and I will vote against her in the nomination, but I can't see any other future except in the event her health deteriorates. Neither future I would celebrate (who wants to see a leader suffer from ailments? Or one where she wins the nomination?).

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I've kinda had it with all of the BS [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP

Oh Fuck Rec Manny. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1

I'm still tired of all the 99% b.s. hfojvt Nov 2013 #123

we let it happen by not being vigilant gopiscrap Nov 2013 #2

And we sat quietly while the Tea Party did it. zeemike Nov 2013 #13

The Tea Party is not the problem. Not really. Shemp Howard Nov 2013 #20

Oh I don't blame the Tea Party zeemike Nov 2013 #23

Could they have ignored us? Yes. They did quakerboy Nov 2013 #237

Yes they did (ignore us)! bvar22 Nov 2013 #287

We will never know quakerboy Nov 2013 #310

ELECT PROVEN PROGRESSIVES dotymed Nov 2013 #105

Winds of War-Winds of a Third Party-Progressive Party DhhD Nov 2013 #119

No such thing. They lie fadedrose Nov 2013 #222

Hit the nail precisely on the head. Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #106

Welcome to DU Shemp Howard!!! blue14u Nov 2013 #212

The Bush policies ground on...? Really? MADem Nov 2013 #80

You are easily satisfied.. sendero Nov 2013 #86

And you are NEVER satisfied....and all your griping does is help the opposition. MADem Nov 2013 #202

The standard apologia.. sendero Nov 2013 #209

The standard "do nothing" gripe. MADem Nov 2013 #218

+1000%! Isoldeblue Nov 2013 #230

the only reason we are "out of Iraq"... druidity33 Nov 2013 #241

No. Your cart is before your horse. MADem Nov 2013 #244

Yes really zeemike Nov 2013 #93

Okay stuff like this is what drives me crazy Peacetrain Nov 2013 #129

"But leaves some wiggle room" zeemike Nov 2013 #143

This is what you "specifically said" Peacetrain Nov 2013 #181

Force feeding in Guantanamo. Maedhros Nov 2013 #190

Yeah....let 'em STARVE!!!!! That's MUCH better.... MADem Nov 2013 #204

He asked for an example, I provided it. Maedhros Nov 2013 #240

That is NOT torture, to prevent a person from starving to death. So you will have to try again. nt MADem Nov 2013 #245

Don't take my word for it. Maedhros Nov 2013 #250

"Could be." "Could extend." You will have to do better than that. MADem Nov 2013 #252

I presented a medical professional's opinion as reasonable justification for my point. Maedhros Nov 2013 #253

It was an "opinion" full of "coulds." Distance diagnosis by a "medical professional." MADem Nov 2013 #254

The effects of forced feeding are fully understood. Maedhros Nov 2013 #257

So are the effects of starvation. MADem Nov 2013 #264

Why not just release the inmates that have been cleared for release? Maedhros Nov 2013 #267

Because Congress ain't letting that happen. MADem Nov 2013 #269

Can you explain how Congress can prevent a military prison from releasing innocent people Maedhros Nov 2013 #289

They can refuse to fund it, which they've done. MADem Nov 2013 #291

But the commander in chief can launch air strikes against Libya Maedhros Nov 2013 #293

Yes. He can. What's your point? Except perhaps, to compare an apple with a screwdriver? nt MADem Nov 2013 #297

Fine. They dont want to eat, let 'em starve. Their choice. NOT Obma's fault. 7962 Nov 2013 #255

Many (most?) of those on hunger strike have been cleared for release Maedhros Nov 2013 #258

Wow, a real word-twister, you are! MADem Nov 2013 #272

I'm not calling anyone anything. Maedhros Nov 2013 #277

Yeah, right...."Yet you are happy to have "a few of them kill themselves." MADem Nov 2013 #278

And I'm pointing out 7962's behavior. Maedhros Nov 2013 #288

I took his/her behavior as saying, to you, you've presented a Hobson's choice. I'll pick one, MADem Nov 2013 #290

These people are being held without charges, and have been cleared for release, Maedhros Nov 2013 #294

Take that up with the Republicans in the House of Representatives. THEY can fix that with one vote. MADem Nov 2013 #296

Guantanamo Bay is a military base on foreign soil. Maedhros Nov 2013 #298

It's not "foreign soil" like Ramstein or Mildenhall are. MADem Nov 2013 #300

This is a human rights issue. Maedhros Nov 2013 #302

Then call Congress...right effin' now! MADem Nov 2013 #304

I'll just agree to disagree with you. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #309

Well, maybe one day you'll realize that blaming Obama is just wrong. MADem Nov 2013 #315

Obama appears to be taking action. Good. Maedhros Nov 2013 #318

Clearly, based upon your response, you didn't read THAT link either. MADem Nov 2013 #319

There is another side to your story... Maedhros Nov 2013 #320

HRW isn't sitting in Congress. It's fine for them to mouth off with shoulda-woulda-coulda, but they MADem Nov 2013 #321

They have the same right to "mouth off" that you have. Maedhros Nov 2013 #323

Funny--on some segments of this board I have been told they carry water for right wingers. MADem Nov 2013 #329

Let's just stop. Maedhros Nov 2013 #330

Well what would you call forcing a tube down someones throat zeemike Nov 2013 #191

And what the hell is your solution.. letting them die Peacetrain Nov 2013 #215

Justice is my solution. zeemike Nov 2013 #232

Since many of those protesting their incarceration with a hunger strike Maedhros Nov 2013 #251

Ironic that you did not read the entire set of posts Peacetrain Nov 2013 #280

Agreed. Trials are way overdue. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #286

"nor... humiliating and degrading treatment" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #154

I did not realize he was in GITMO Peacetrain Nov 2013 #173

So it's OK to treat Manning in a way we can't treat POWs? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #187

This does not work on me.. Peacetrain Nov 2013 #188

Why did you cite that executive order earlier? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #201

Because it was germain to the original post to another Peacetrain Nov 2013 #214

Not true, but whatever. nt MADem Nov 2013 #205

People who threaten to kill themselves are prevented from doing that. MADem Nov 2013 #219

Manning threatened suicide? You're fabricating that, I think. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #227

He said he wanted to kill himself, and he made a noose from a bedsheet. I'm not fabricating a MADem Nov 2013 #248

Love the "crickets" after I was falsely accused of "fabrication"....but whatever. MADem Nov 2013 #322

And putting someone who may be suicidal in solitary confinement . . . markpkessinger Nov 2013 #326

And putting them in the general population when they are transgender is an invitation to getting MADem Nov 2013 #328

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #203

Don't forget his move to destroy public education duffyduff Nov 2013 #184

If you're going to fling out stuff like that, let's put the blame where it belongs, shall we? MADem Nov 2013 #199

Well Obama could have closed Gitmo with a simple order. zeemike Nov 2013 #206

Yeah, ruling by decree works SOOOOOO well. MADem Nov 2013 #208

Well I hate to break it to you but the military runs on it zeemike Nov 2013 #235

Good grief...there are NO words!!! The military might "run on it," but the USA doesn't. MADem Nov 2013 #236

What is unlawful about an order to close a prison? zeemike Nov 2013 #238

You don't understand the issue, plainly. Not even slightly. And yes, the "king" thing MADem Nov 2013 #249

If the President can drops bombs and kill people in Libya Maedhros Nov 2013 #263

We aren't talking about limited authorities. You're trying to compare an apple with MADem Nov 2013 #268

+100 (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2013 #246

Remember when he had a Dem house for the first two years... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #99

The Dems, in all fairness fredamae Nov 2013 #141

some were DINO's gopiscrap Nov 2013 #176

And many of them are gone. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #178

Yes, indeed. Obama ran on bringing the country together, but the nutjob-wingnut-racists weren't MADem Nov 2013 #198

We gave him a Dem House in 2008. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #104

^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #160

He ran on "There are more things that unite us than divide us." MADem Nov 2013 #193

Yes, knowing Republicans for what they are after eight years of Bush sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #259

Republicans are people who double down, who never change, who never reach out, who never extend MADem Nov 2013 #262

So you think we should cave to bullies? Is that what you are saying? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #266

Here, let me talk like you do...."So, do you think the POTUS should go back on his promise to MADem Nov 2013 #271

Do we have to go through this again? PROGRESSIVES showed up in 2010 sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #276

Really? Where's the Democratic House, then? MADem Nov 2013 #279

Telling Progressives to stay home now? THIS is what has caused the Dems sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #281

Excuse me? You're the one with the self-imposed "purity test." MADem Nov 2013 #292

Sometimes people have to fight for what they believe in and convince sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #312

I'd rather have a House-ful (and a Senate full) of Democrats, even if some of 'em were imperfect. MADem Nov 2013 #313

Do I believe we would have been out of Iraq? Yes. I do. bvar22 Nov 2013 #150

I do too gopiscrap Nov 2013 #179

The Obama Administration didn't know where the bodies were buried like BushCo did. MADem Nov 2013 #194

Did the Obama Administration request an extension of what you call a "canard", bvar22 Nov 2013 #229

They didn't allow criminals to keep skimming the "vig" off of the aid going to the country. MADem Nov 2013 #275

You FAILED to answer a simple Yes or No question. bvar22 Nov 2013 #303

I DID answer it--they were shot down because they didn't pay the bribes. MADem Nov 2013 #307

The answer of course is 'yes'. If only people would simply deal with sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #314

This is more fun than going to the circus and watching the side show contortionists... bvar22 Nov 2013 #317

Lol, I know. I used to do this because I learned so much from people who posted sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #327

that's part of it gopiscrap Nov 2013 #159

We let it happen by believing that supporting "the lesser of two evils" was sensible and pragmatic. bvar22 Nov 2013 #134

+100 = so much truth lunasun Nov 2013 #140

I don't believe that anymore. 840high Nov 2013 #145

Me neither. Vanje Nov 2013 #168

I wholly regret that there were'nt general strikes, blockades.... Vanje Nov 2013 #166

Against which side? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #175

We let it happen by choosing the lesser of two SchmerzImArsch Nov 2013 #200

My theory as to why our politicians are not as progressive like other Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #3

Only 15% of our country believes in evolution MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #4

Yup and most don't understand that evolution Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #6

Really? I had no idea it was anywhere near that low. cui bono Nov 2013 #7

You're troubled with Jehovah's Witnesses? Try to sell them something. Life insurance perhaps. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #44

Or better yet 53tammy Nov 2013 #90

Jehovah's Witnesses don't vote. Vanje Nov 2013 #171

How crazy is this too?? we are at an intellectual low lunasun Nov 2013 #136

Pretty close. When textbooks are wrtitten... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #100

Its a lot harder to peddle bullshit to educated people... Moostache Nov 2013 #125

We will vote for Hillary... hay rick Nov 2013 #5

Yes, you have figured it out. The Powers To Be have it worked out so you get rhett o rick Nov 2013 #9

I agree. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #84

True whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #197

That is certainly what Manny's "bright beacon" is going to do. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #19

Some guy said some guy said he saw a secret document... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #24

Yeah. They play us like a freakin' violin. I've been disgusted for about 20 yrs. nt Nay Nov 2013 #97

Since you are such a big fan of Warren, haven't you read her NYT interview? Beacool Nov 2013 #273

Some other senator - Obama was his name, IIRC - said he wasn't interested in running for President MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #274

And some, when Hillary is running will vote for Al Franken. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #46

We can choose someone else in the primaries -"draft" someone... polichick Nov 2013 #96

That isn't near as easy as you make it sound. bvar22 Nov 2013 #157

Great post! All this is exactly why we can't trust Dem leadership anymore... polichick Nov 2013 #162

I agree with the sentiment, bvar22 Nov 2013 #169

That's why I always say one party/two faces... polichick Nov 2013 #170

we have tried everything but counting our votes,ourselves questionseverything Nov 2013 #207

Wishing everyone on DU saw this and read this. truedelphi Nov 2013 #243

Please make an OP out of this. -nt- Celefin Nov 2013 #305

+10000000 Thank you. woo me with science Nov 2013 #308

Bingo! jsr Nov 2013 #133

In 2010 good Alaskan democrats voted for Lisa Murkowski Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #217

They might be surprised this time. Too many people have figured it out. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #261

Thank you Boxer Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #301

Honey Boo BOo? nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #8

As nearly as I can tell, Manny - PETRUS Nov 2013 #10

Kennedy said that? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #12

I was going from memory. PETRUS Nov 2013 #16

Awesome. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #17

Add what the son said nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #27

Actually, civil disobedience isn't automaticallly effective. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #70

That all MIGHT work - if it were not for $$ in politics bread_and_roses Nov 2013 #98

Oh, really? chervilant Nov 2013 #113

in 1800, only landowners could vote. Women had no rights. Black people were slaves. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #11

I don't think it's new at all. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #14

Yes -waiting til noone remembers what it was like " the last time around " lunasun Nov 2013 #142

That is exactly why the History of the LABOR movement... bvar22 Nov 2013 #225

This is not about the past this about the present. zeemike Nov 2013 #18

nope. stating the plutocratic leadership of our country has ALWAYS been about the privileged Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #28

There was this FDR guy... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #30

'What next?" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #65

Gee, how much support did that guy get from Congress? MADem Nov 2013 #221

How many vetoes do you think FDR had? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #226

No, we're at the nadir of oligarchic rule hiding behind bought off Congressmen Warpy Nov 2013 #81

Throwing Howard Dean "under the bus" and trashing the 50 State Strategy with KoKo Nov 2013 #15

It's monarchy without the crown n/t zeemike Nov 2013 #21

Please, who exactly are the back bench crew for the Repukes? sheshe2 Nov 2013 #25

I confess to having had a glass of merlot... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #26

KoKo said they have people on the bench, sheshe2 Nov 2013 #31

Hillary Clinton is just more corruption. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #75

Warren just declared her support for Hillary. Maedhros Nov 2013 #196

Jeb Bush BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #32

Do you really believe that people will stand for a third Bush? sheshe2 Nov 2013 #34

Absolutely BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #43

Form a local Democratic Club. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #72

I am active and have been active..... KoKo Nov 2013 #153

^^This^^ Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #82

+100000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #92

+1000 nt PassingFair Nov 2013 #182

Diebold RobertEarl Nov 2013 #22

good thread.. k&r 2banon Nov 2013 #29

Third Way Manny would be swapping recipies on how best to serve the 99%,..it's all in the battering. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #33

TWM is off working on Hillary's campaign. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #61

Starting with a good buttering up. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #62

Third Way Manny wouldn't be in mourning for two-way dkf. So let's not knock msanthrope Nov 2013 #158

A conclusion long ago reached. davidthegnome Nov 2013 #35

It's interesting to me as one who lived through the 1960s that you point to their JDPriestly Nov 2013 #79

The average American watches around 34 hours of TV a week Fumesucker Nov 2013 #91

It wasn't just the political change. davidthegnome Nov 2013 #118

They've got the money and guns demwing Nov 2013 #36

By withdrawing our power from their system. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #40

There's 3 ways our greater numbers can hand us the win demwing Nov 2013 #45

It is. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #50

the one draw back to a general strike demwing Nov 2013 #111

Thats right. Its 99 to 1. Vanje Nov 2013 #177

Coming soon, to a neighborhood near you! DeSwiss Nov 2013 #37

That is an awesome quote. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #42

De nada. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #47

With all due respect... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #51

Or..... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #53

I guess it depends on what kind of asshole we're dealing with. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #54

If it fails..... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #55

Generally when quantum mechanism is used as an explanation for anything Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #220

It's only nonsense to some. ;-) n/t DeSwiss Nov 2013 #223

Five to One Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #132

I think the number one thing in my lifetime that has contributed to apathy is downsizing BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #38

I agree with everything you wrote. senseandsensibility Nov 2013 #49

Thank you BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #59

Very eloquent. senseandsensibility Nov 2013 #195

Damn... Not Sure Nov 2013 #71

An enormus factor, to be sure; but add the corporate media... dougolat Nov 2013 #77

downplayed? DOWNPLAYED?? annabanana Nov 2013 #102

I didnt participate in Occupy Boise.... Vanje Nov 2013 #180

How: Campaign finance reform, non-paper ballot counting, bad media w/o 50 state strategy. Festivito Nov 2013 #39

You Have Woken Up - Now What? cantbeserious Nov 2013 #41

I love that vid and the song! DeSwiss Nov 2013 #52

No. We did NOT "let this happen." We did NOT do "this to ourselves." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #48

Wyden and Merkley both qualify as bright beacons in my book davidpdx Nov 2013 #56

Maybe we can pull Dr. Dean out from under the bus MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #58

I admit he did do a hell of a job davidpdx Nov 2013 #68

As long as all he is doing is helping with strategy. He is too fiscally conservative for my taste. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #69

I like Warren, but I do get tired of hearing that she's alone there when Oregon has Merkley Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #135

I think Warren and Sanders are the only two consistent Liberals MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #155

I have been disappointed in the past over Wyden's federal lands votes. Vanje Nov 2013 #183

Before Wyden comes up in 2016 fredamae Nov 2013 #282

A major contributing factor has to be the ownership of the press. mnhtnbb Nov 2013 #57

And constant attacks on independent outlets nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #139

They're becoming irrelevant... CanSocDem Nov 2013 #164

Oh Manny, none of this shit really matters. Conventional politics are irrelevant NoOneMan Nov 2013 #60

So, 11 Dimensional Chess is a failure? Bipartisanship has gotten us nowhere good? We were lied to? blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #63

I've gotten off my duff, and when all that effort and money... Deep13 Nov 2013 #64

Meanwhile, the NSA knows more about your Hubert Flottz Nov 2013 #66

The REAL problem is not The Republicans. bvar22 Nov 2013 #284

I belong to my local Democratic Club and attend the meetings pretty JDPriestly Nov 2013 #67

With all du respect, JD, Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #83

You have encapsulated the problem...we need younger, involved members. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #163

"unified only in the belief that the 99% should be served for dinner" ljm2002 Nov 2013 #73

We traded civility for corruption Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #74

recognize that sanders and warren aren't the only ones. cali Nov 2013 #76

When a bully (GOP) strikes, should you blame the victim? GOP keeps us in whackamole mode Miss_Underestimated Nov 2013 #78

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #85

Hey, Manny. joshcryer Nov 2013 #87

Not only vote, but work for a candidate you support even if you know its a long shot.... marble falls Nov 2013 #88

Other than the few bright beacons nightscanner59 Nov 2013 #89

How about we come up with a way to get rid of...... Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #94

Exactly. It's been 13 years since the debacle in Florida, and what the hell Nay Nov 2013 #110

Until this matter gets resolved, we will continue to loose. Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #114

This is why I don't think we'll get our country back via the ballot box. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #126

It is very key, however no seems to interested in this minor flaw.... Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #131

Not a single voting machine in Oregon. Every ballot is a paper ballot. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #137

I live in the state that has the best reputation for elections..... Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #147

Same in Idaho - paper ballots for everyone. Vanje Nov 2013 #186

It works great for the republicans and the Democrats are terrified Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #270

One good thing that's going on is Bold Progressives - the group that drafted... polichick Nov 2013 #95

K&R! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #103

You have three national representatives to worry about... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #101

Frog in the slow boiling pot. MoonRiver Nov 2013 #107

When the inevitable general strike is called for, participate. Zorra Nov 2013 #108

I operate from the premise... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #109

manny, you're right heaven05 Nov 2013 #112

Do the Math, find the answer HoosierCowboy Nov 2013 #115

The solution is obviously to post threads complaining on the Internet nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #116

You win the thread. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #156

So, how do we stop our Party from moving to the right? Kermitt Gribble Nov 2013 #117

"being a Democrat will eventually lose all meaning" L0oniX Nov 2013 #130

It happened because no one MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #120

Nothing says "true progressive" like murdering... ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #161

You said it I didn't MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #185

Because we naively voted PARTY and not ISSUES. NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #121

bloody maries. just spicy enough but not too much. arely staircase Nov 2013 #122

We let it happen when we traded in our citizenship to become consumers. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #124

Get out the vote! Go to town meetings. Run for office in your city/town. Keep barking. VOTE! judesedit Nov 2013 #127

Granted our leaders and reps and senators are problematic, but before we all put on our hair shirts drynberg Nov 2013 #128

I have to disagree brooklynite Nov 2013 #149

Right! Equality before the Law, and The Golden Rule... dougolat Nov 2013 #151

The problems inside the Democratic Party started LONG before Citizens United. bvar22 Nov 2013 #165

I've LONG said there Is fredamae Nov 2013 #138

I am one who abandoned it over healthcare nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #144

Oh, ye$ it matters-a Lot fredamae Nov 2013 #152

A bunch of "us" (Americans) voted Republican. gulliver Nov 2013 #146

And five voted for bush nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #148

Beg Anonymous to hack the crap out of our "secure" lol vapor votecounting machines. elehhhhna Nov 2013 #167

That's the first suggestion Caretha Nov 2013 #316

the votes are vapor. No violence, just Anon threatening to hack it elehhhhna Nov 2013 #324

Andy was right Caretha Nov 2013 #325

here is info on Jason Thigpen JanT Nov 2013 #172

Demand Publicly Funded Elections. Everyone understands, at least on some level, Dustlawyer Nov 2013 #174

In order to fight the corruption, we have to be able to hold them to account.... Veilex Nov 2013 #189

Yep. K&R n/t whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #192

But isn't it always time to do something about it? Rex Nov 2013 #210

Yes, my friend libodem Nov 2013 #211

My mother always said we get the government we deserve. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #213

We could start here... PuraVidaDreamin Nov 2013 #216

D J I A , D J I A , D J I A . . . . . SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2013 #224

There is a new god in town! bvar22 Nov 2013 #228

Agreed Flatpicker Nov 2013 #231

BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAMES reddread Nov 2013 #233

Does any real politically, socially conscious, progressive liberal Democratic Party member reddread Nov 2013 #234

By putting a letter after someone's name above our morals and beliefs. vi5 Nov 2013 #239

Don't forget Al Franken, he's still a good egg. K&R, nt. druidity33 Nov 2013 #242

It's Maddening colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #247

We have the best government money can buy B Calm Nov 2013 #256

Sorry but too many here are having the "reverse tea party" discussion. Thats how you lose. 7962 Nov 2013 #260

Lots of ideas, Manny fadedrose Nov 2013 #265

The only answer I keep returning to is asking people not be part of the problem. raouldukelives Nov 2013 #283

Strongly Agree. bvar22 Nov 2013 #285

I agree that we are to blame for the present state of politics... kentuck Nov 2013 #295

If you've only 'kinda' had it, then you're not desperate enough yet! randome Nov 2013 #299

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #306

You forgot "rogues"! WinkyDink Nov 2013 #311