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Maedhros

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240. He asked for an example, I provided it.

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:11 PM

Nov 2013

Here's more:

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/05/01/1946641/un-gitmo-torture/

Given that many of the force-fed prisoners are still being held after having been cleared for release, you're petulant indignation would be better directed against the people who are preventing those prisoners from being set free.

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I've kinda had it with all of the BS [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP

Oh Fuck Rec Manny. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1

I'm still tired of all the 99% b.s. hfojvt Nov 2013 #123

we let it happen by not being vigilant gopiscrap Nov 2013 #2

And we sat quietly while the Tea Party did it. zeemike Nov 2013 #13

The Tea Party is not the problem. Not really. Shemp Howard Nov 2013 #20

Oh I don't blame the Tea Party zeemike Nov 2013 #23

Could they have ignored us? Yes. They did quakerboy Nov 2013 #237

Yes they did (ignore us)! bvar22 Nov 2013 #287

We will never know quakerboy Nov 2013 #310

ELECT PROVEN PROGRESSIVES dotymed Nov 2013 #105

Winds of War-Winds of a Third Party-Progressive Party DhhD Nov 2013 #119

No such thing. They lie fadedrose Nov 2013 #222

Hit the nail precisely on the head. Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #106

Welcome to DU Shemp Howard!!! blue14u Nov 2013 #212

The Bush policies ground on...? Really? MADem Nov 2013 #80

You are easily satisfied.. sendero Nov 2013 #86

And you are NEVER satisfied....and all your griping does is help the opposition. MADem Nov 2013 #202

The standard apologia.. sendero Nov 2013 #209

The standard "do nothing" gripe. MADem Nov 2013 #218

+1000%! Isoldeblue Nov 2013 #230

the only reason we are "out of Iraq"... druidity33 Nov 2013 #241

No. Your cart is before your horse. MADem Nov 2013 #244

Yes really zeemike Nov 2013 #93

Okay stuff like this is what drives me crazy Peacetrain Nov 2013 #129

"But leaves some wiggle room" zeemike Nov 2013 #143

This is what you "specifically said" Peacetrain Nov 2013 #181

Force feeding in Guantanamo. Maedhros Nov 2013 #190

Yeah....let 'em STARVE!!!!! That's MUCH better.... MADem Nov 2013 #204

He asked for an example, I provided it. Maedhros Nov 2013 #240

That is NOT torture, to prevent a person from starving to death. So you will have to try again. nt MADem Nov 2013 #245

Don't take my word for it. Maedhros Nov 2013 #250

"Could be." "Could extend." You will have to do better than that. MADem Nov 2013 #252

I presented a medical professional's opinion as reasonable justification for my point. Maedhros Nov 2013 #253

It was an "opinion" full of "coulds." Distance diagnosis by a "medical professional." MADem Nov 2013 #254

The effects of forced feeding are fully understood. Maedhros Nov 2013 #257

So are the effects of starvation. MADem Nov 2013 #264

Why not just release the inmates that have been cleared for release? Maedhros Nov 2013 #267

Because Congress ain't letting that happen. MADem Nov 2013 #269

Can you explain how Congress can prevent a military prison from releasing innocent people Maedhros Nov 2013 #289

They can refuse to fund it, which they've done. MADem Nov 2013 #291

But the commander in chief can launch air strikes against Libya Maedhros Nov 2013 #293

Yes. He can. What's your point? Except perhaps, to compare an apple with a screwdriver? nt MADem Nov 2013 #297

Fine. They dont want to eat, let 'em starve. Their choice. NOT Obma's fault. 7962 Nov 2013 #255

Many (most?) of those on hunger strike have been cleared for release Maedhros Nov 2013 #258

Wow, a real word-twister, you are! MADem Nov 2013 #272

I'm not calling anyone anything. Maedhros Nov 2013 #277

Yeah, right...."Yet you are happy to have "a few of them kill themselves." MADem Nov 2013 #278

And I'm pointing out 7962's behavior. Maedhros Nov 2013 #288

I took his/her behavior as saying, to you, you've presented a Hobson's choice. I'll pick one, MADem Nov 2013 #290

These people are being held without charges, and have been cleared for release, Maedhros Nov 2013 #294

Take that up with the Republicans in the House of Representatives. THEY can fix that with one vote. MADem Nov 2013 #296

Guantanamo Bay is a military base on foreign soil. Maedhros Nov 2013 #298

It's not "foreign soil" like Ramstein or Mildenhall are. MADem Nov 2013 #300

This is a human rights issue. Maedhros Nov 2013 #302

Then call Congress...right effin' now! MADem Nov 2013 #304

I'll just agree to disagree with you. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #309

Well, maybe one day you'll realize that blaming Obama is just wrong. MADem Nov 2013 #315

Obama appears to be taking action. Good. Maedhros Nov 2013 #318

Clearly, based upon your response, you didn't read THAT link either. MADem Nov 2013 #319

There is another side to your story... Maedhros Nov 2013 #320

HRW isn't sitting in Congress. It's fine for them to mouth off with shoulda-woulda-coulda, but they MADem Nov 2013 #321

They have the same right to "mouth off" that you have. Maedhros Nov 2013 #323

Funny--on some segments of this board I have been told they carry water for right wingers. MADem Nov 2013 #329

Let's just stop. Maedhros Nov 2013 #330

Well what would you call forcing a tube down someones throat zeemike Nov 2013 #191

And what the hell is your solution.. letting them die Peacetrain Nov 2013 #215

Justice is my solution. zeemike Nov 2013 #232

Since many of those protesting their incarceration with a hunger strike Maedhros Nov 2013 #251

Ironic that you did not read the entire set of posts Peacetrain Nov 2013 #280

Agreed. Trials are way overdue. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #286

"nor... humiliating and degrading treatment" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #154

I did not realize he was in GITMO Peacetrain Nov 2013 #173

So it's OK to treat Manning in a way we can't treat POWs? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #187

This does not work on me.. Peacetrain Nov 2013 #188

Why did you cite that executive order earlier? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #201

Because it was germain to the original post to another Peacetrain Nov 2013 #214

Not true, but whatever. nt MADem Nov 2013 #205

People who threaten to kill themselves are prevented from doing that. MADem Nov 2013 #219

Manning threatened suicide? You're fabricating that, I think. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #227

He said he wanted to kill himself, and he made a noose from a bedsheet. I'm not fabricating a MADem Nov 2013 #248

Love the "crickets" after I was falsely accused of "fabrication"....but whatever. MADem Nov 2013 #322

And putting someone who may be suicidal in solitary confinement . . . markpkessinger Nov 2013 #326

And putting them in the general population when they are transgender is an invitation to getting MADem Nov 2013 #328

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #203

Don't forget his move to destroy public education duffyduff Nov 2013 #184

If you're going to fling out stuff like that, let's put the blame where it belongs, shall we? MADem Nov 2013 #199

Well Obama could have closed Gitmo with a simple order. zeemike Nov 2013 #206

Yeah, ruling by decree works SOOOOOO well. MADem Nov 2013 #208

Well I hate to break it to you but the military runs on it zeemike Nov 2013 #235

Good grief...there are NO words!!! The military might "run on it," but the USA doesn't. MADem Nov 2013 #236

What is unlawful about an order to close a prison? zeemike Nov 2013 #238

You don't understand the issue, plainly. Not even slightly. And yes, the "king" thing MADem Nov 2013 #249

If the President can drops bombs and kill people in Libya Maedhros Nov 2013 #263

We aren't talking about limited authorities. You're trying to compare an apple with MADem Nov 2013 #268

+100 (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2013 #246

Remember when he had a Dem house for the first two years... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #99

The Dems, in all fairness fredamae Nov 2013 #141

some were DINO's gopiscrap Nov 2013 #176

And many of them are gone. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #178

Yes, indeed. Obama ran on bringing the country together, but the nutjob-wingnut-racists weren't MADem Nov 2013 #198

We gave him a Dem House in 2008. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #104

^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #160

He ran on "There are more things that unite us than divide us." MADem Nov 2013 #193

Yes, knowing Republicans for what they are after eight years of Bush sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #259

Republicans are people who double down, who never change, who never reach out, who never extend MADem Nov 2013 #262

So you think we should cave to bullies? Is that what you are saying? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #266

Here, let me talk like you do...."So, do you think the POTUS should go back on his promise to MADem Nov 2013 #271

Do we have to go through this again? PROGRESSIVES showed up in 2010 sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #276

Really? Where's the Democratic House, then? MADem Nov 2013 #279

Telling Progressives to stay home now? THIS is what has caused the Dems sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #281

Excuse me? You're the one with the self-imposed "purity test." MADem Nov 2013 #292

Sometimes people have to fight for what they believe in and convince sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #312

I'd rather have a House-ful (and a Senate full) of Democrats, even if some of 'em were imperfect. MADem Nov 2013 #313

Do I believe we would have been out of Iraq? Yes. I do. bvar22 Nov 2013 #150

I do too gopiscrap Nov 2013 #179

The Obama Administration didn't know where the bodies were buried like BushCo did. MADem Nov 2013 #194

Did the Obama Administration request an extension of what you call a "canard", bvar22 Nov 2013 #229

They didn't allow criminals to keep skimming the "vig" off of the aid going to the country. MADem Nov 2013 #275

You FAILED to answer a simple Yes or No question. bvar22 Nov 2013 #303

I DID answer it--they were shot down because they didn't pay the bribes. MADem Nov 2013 #307

The answer of course is 'yes'. If only people would simply deal with sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #314

This is more fun than going to the circus and watching the side show contortionists... bvar22 Nov 2013 #317

Lol, I know. I used to do this because I learned so much from people who posted sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #327

that's part of it gopiscrap Nov 2013 #159

We let it happen by believing that supporting "the lesser of two evils" was sensible and pragmatic. bvar22 Nov 2013 #134

+100 = so much truth lunasun Nov 2013 #140

I don't believe that anymore. 840high Nov 2013 #145

Me neither. Vanje Nov 2013 #168

I wholly regret that there were'nt general strikes, blockades.... Vanje Nov 2013 #166

Against which side? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #175

We let it happen by choosing the lesser of two SchmerzImArsch Nov 2013 #200

My theory as to why our politicians are not as progressive like other Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #3

Only 15% of our country believes in evolution MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #4

Yup and most don't understand that evolution Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #6

Really? I had no idea it was anywhere near that low. cui bono Nov 2013 #7

You're troubled with Jehovah's Witnesses? Try to sell them something. Life insurance perhaps. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #44

Or better yet 53tammy Nov 2013 #90

Jehovah's Witnesses don't vote. Vanje Nov 2013 #171

How crazy is this too?? we are at an intellectual low lunasun Nov 2013 #136

Pretty close. When textbooks are wrtitten... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #100

Its a lot harder to peddle bullshit to educated people... Moostache Nov 2013 #125

We will vote for Hillary... hay rick Nov 2013 #5

Yes, you have figured it out. The Powers To Be have it worked out so you get rhett o rick Nov 2013 #9

I agree. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #84

True whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #197

That is certainly what Manny's "bright beacon" is going to do. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #19

Some guy said some guy said he saw a secret document... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #24

Yeah. They play us like a freakin' violin. I've been disgusted for about 20 yrs. nt Nay Nov 2013 #97

Since you are such a big fan of Warren, haven't you read her NYT interview? Beacool Nov 2013 #273

Some other senator - Obama was his name, IIRC - said he wasn't interested in running for President MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #274

And some, when Hillary is running will vote for Al Franken. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #46

We can choose someone else in the primaries -"draft" someone... polichick Nov 2013 #96

That isn't near as easy as you make it sound. bvar22 Nov 2013 #157

Great post! All this is exactly why we can't trust Dem leadership anymore... polichick Nov 2013 #162

I agree with the sentiment, bvar22 Nov 2013 #169

That's why I always say one party/two faces... polichick Nov 2013 #170

we have tried everything but counting our votes,ourselves questionseverything Nov 2013 #207

Wishing everyone on DU saw this and read this. truedelphi Nov 2013 #243

Please make an OP out of this. -nt- Celefin Nov 2013 #305

+10000000 Thank you. woo me with science Nov 2013 #308

Bingo! jsr Nov 2013 #133

In 2010 good Alaskan democrats voted for Lisa Murkowski Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #217

They might be surprised this time. Too many people have figured it out. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #261

Thank you Boxer Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #301

Honey Boo BOo? nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #8

As nearly as I can tell, Manny - PETRUS Nov 2013 #10

Kennedy said that? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #12

I was going from memory. PETRUS Nov 2013 #16

Awesome. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #17

Add what the son said nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #27

Actually, civil disobedience isn't automaticallly effective. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #70

That all MIGHT work - if it were not for $$ in politics bread_and_roses Nov 2013 #98

Oh, really? chervilant Nov 2013 #113

in 1800, only landowners could vote. Women had no rights. Black people were slaves. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #11

I don't think it's new at all. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #14

Yes -waiting til noone remembers what it was like " the last time around " lunasun Nov 2013 #142

That is exactly why the History of the LABOR movement... bvar22 Nov 2013 #225

This is not about the past this about the present. zeemike Nov 2013 #18

nope. stating the plutocratic leadership of our country has ALWAYS been about the privileged Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #28

There was this FDR guy... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #30

'What next?" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #65

Gee, how much support did that guy get from Congress? MADem Nov 2013 #221

How many vetoes do you think FDR had? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #226

No, we're at the nadir of oligarchic rule hiding behind bought off Congressmen Warpy Nov 2013 #81

Throwing Howard Dean "under the bus" and trashing the 50 State Strategy with KoKo Nov 2013 #15

It's monarchy without the crown n/t zeemike Nov 2013 #21

Please, who exactly are the back bench crew for the Repukes? sheshe2 Nov 2013 #25

I confess to having had a glass of merlot... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #26

KoKo said they have people on the bench, sheshe2 Nov 2013 #31

Hillary Clinton is just more corruption. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #75

Warren just declared her support for Hillary. Maedhros Nov 2013 #196

Jeb Bush BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #32

Do you really believe that people will stand for a third Bush? sheshe2 Nov 2013 #34

Absolutely BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #43

Form a local Democratic Club. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #72

I am active and have been active..... KoKo Nov 2013 #153

^^This^^ Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #82

+100000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #92

+1000 nt PassingFair Nov 2013 #182

Diebold RobertEarl Nov 2013 #22

good thread.. k&r 2banon Nov 2013 #29

Third Way Manny would be swapping recipies on how best to serve the 99%,..it's all in the battering. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #33

TWM is off working on Hillary's campaign. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #61

Starting with a good buttering up. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #62

Third Way Manny wouldn't be in mourning for two-way dkf. So let's not knock msanthrope Nov 2013 #158

A conclusion long ago reached. davidthegnome Nov 2013 #35

It's interesting to me as one who lived through the 1960s that you point to their JDPriestly Nov 2013 #79

The average American watches around 34 hours of TV a week Fumesucker Nov 2013 #91

It wasn't just the political change. davidthegnome Nov 2013 #118

They've got the money and guns demwing Nov 2013 #36

By withdrawing our power from their system. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #40

There's 3 ways our greater numbers can hand us the win demwing Nov 2013 #45

It is. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #50

the one draw back to a general strike demwing Nov 2013 #111

Thats right. Its 99 to 1. Vanje Nov 2013 #177

Coming soon, to a neighborhood near you! DeSwiss Nov 2013 #37

That is an awesome quote. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #42

De nada. DeSwiss Nov 2013 #47

With all due respect... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #51

Or..... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #53

I guess it depends on what kind of asshole we're dealing with. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #54

If it fails..... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #55

Generally when quantum mechanism is used as an explanation for anything Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #220

It's only nonsense to some. ;-) n/t DeSwiss Nov 2013 #223

Five to One Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #132

I think the number one thing in my lifetime that has contributed to apathy is downsizing BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #38

I agree with everything you wrote. senseandsensibility Nov 2013 #49

Thank you BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #59

Very eloquent. senseandsensibility Nov 2013 #195

Damn... Not Sure Nov 2013 #71

An enormus factor, to be sure; but add the corporate media... dougolat Nov 2013 #77

downplayed? DOWNPLAYED?? annabanana Nov 2013 #102

I didnt participate in Occupy Boise.... Vanje Nov 2013 #180

How: Campaign finance reform, non-paper ballot counting, bad media w/o 50 state strategy. Festivito Nov 2013 #39

You Have Woken Up - Now What? cantbeserious Nov 2013 #41

I love that vid and the song! DeSwiss Nov 2013 #52

No. We did NOT "let this happen." We did NOT do "this to ourselves." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #48

Wyden and Merkley both qualify as bright beacons in my book davidpdx Nov 2013 #56

Maybe we can pull Dr. Dean out from under the bus MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #58

I admit he did do a hell of a job davidpdx Nov 2013 #68

As long as all he is doing is helping with strategy. He is too fiscally conservative for my taste. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #69

I like Warren, but I do get tired of hearing that she's alone there when Oregon has Merkley Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #135

I think Warren and Sanders are the only two consistent Liberals MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #155

I have been disappointed in the past over Wyden's federal lands votes. Vanje Nov 2013 #183

Before Wyden comes up in 2016 fredamae Nov 2013 #282

A major contributing factor has to be the ownership of the press. mnhtnbb Nov 2013 #57

And constant attacks on independent outlets nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #139

They're becoming irrelevant... CanSocDem Nov 2013 #164

Oh Manny, none of this shit really matters. Conventional politics are irrelevant NoOneMan Nov 2013 #60

So, 11 Dimensional Chess is a failure? Bipartisanship has gotten us nowhere good? We were lied to? blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #63

I've gotten off my duff, and when all that effort and money... Deep13 Nov 2013 #64

Meanwhile, the NSA knows more about your Hubert Flottz Nov 2013 #66

The REAL problem is not The Republicans. bvar22 Nov 2013 #284

I belong to my local Democratic Club and attend the meetings pretty JDPriestly Nov 2013 #67

With all du respect, JD, Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #83

You have encapsulated the problem...we need younger, involved members. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #163

"unified only in the belief that the 99% should be served for dinner" ljm2002 Nov 2013 #73

We traded civility for corruption Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #74

recognize that sanders and warren aren't the only ones. cali Nov 2013 #76

When a bully (GOP) strikes, should you blame the victim? GOP keeps us in whackamole mode Miss_Underestimated Nov 2013 #78

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #85

Hey, Manny. joshcryer Nov 2013 #87

Not only vote, but work for a candidate you support even if you know its a long shot.... marble falls Nov 2013 #88

Other than the few bright beacons nightscanner59 Nov 2013 #89

How about we come up with a way to get rid of...... Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #94

Exactly. It's been 13 years since the debacle in Florida, and what the hell Nay Nov 2013 #110

Until this matter gets resolved, we will continue to loose. Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #114

This is why I don't think we'll get our country back via the ballot box. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #126

It is very key, however no seems to interested in this minor flaw.... Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #131

Not a single voting machine in Oregon. Every ballot is a paper ballot. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #137

I live in the state that has the best reputation for elections..... Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #147

Same in Idaho - paper ballots for everyone. Vanje Nov 2013 #186

It works great for the republicans and the Democrats are terrified Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #270

One good thing that's going on is Bold Progressives - the group that drafted... polichick Nov 2013 #95

K&R! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #103

You have three national representatives to worry about... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #101

Frog in the slow boiling pot. MoonRiver Nov 2013 #107

When the inevitable general strike is called for, participate. Zorra Nov 2013 #108

I operate from the premise... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #109

manny, you're right heaven05 Nov 2013 #112

Do the Math, find the answer HoosierCowboy Nov 2013 #115

The solution is obviously to post threads complaining on the Internet nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #116

You win the thread. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #156

So, how do we stop our Party from moving to the right? Kermitt Gribble Nov 2013 #117

"being a Democrat will eventually lose all meaning" L0oniX Nov 2013 #130

It happened because no one MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #120

Nothing says "true progressive" like murdering... ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #161

You said it I didn't MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #185

Because we naively voted PARTY and not ISSUES. NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #121

bloody maries. just spicy enough but not too much. arely staircase Nov 2013 #122

We let it happen when we traded in our citizenship to become consumers. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #124

Get out the vote! Go to town meetings. Run for office in your city/town. Keep barking. VOTE! judesedit Nov 2013 #127

Granted our leaders and reps and senators are problematic, but before we all put on our hair shirts drynberg Nov 2013 #128

I have to disagree brooklynite Nov 2013 #149

Right! Equality before the Law, and The Golden Rule... dougolat Nov 2013 #151

The problems inside the Democratic Party started LONG before Citizens United. bvar22 Nov 2013 #165

I've LONG said there Is fredamae Nov 2013 #138

I am one who abandoned it over healthcare nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #144

Oh, ye$ it matters-a Lot fredamae Nov 2013 #152

A bunch of "us" (Americans) voted Republican. gulliver Nov 2013 #146

And five voted for bush nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #148

Beg Anonymous to hack the crap out of our "secure" lol vapor votecounting machines. elehhhhna Nov 2013 #167

That's the first suggestion Caretha Nov 2013 #316

the votes are vapor. No violence, just Anon threatening to hack it elehhhhna Nov 2013 #324

Andy was right Caretha Nov 2013 #325

here is info on Jason Thigpen JanT Nov 2013 #172

Demand Publicly Funded Elections. Everyone understands, at least on some level, Dustlawyer Nov 2013 #174

In order to fight the corruption, we have to be able to hold them to account.... Veilex Nov 2013 #189

Yep. K&R n/t whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #192

But isn't it always time to do something about it? Rex Nov 2013 #210

Yes, my friend libodem Nov 2013 #211

My mother always said we get the government we deserve. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #213

We could start here... PuraVidaDreamin Nov 2013 #216

D J I A , D J I A , D J I A . . . . . SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2013 #224

There is a new god in town! bvar22 Nov 2013 #228

Agreed Flatpicker Nov 2013 #231

BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAMES reddread Nov 2013 #233

Does any real politically, socially conscious, progressive liberal Democratic Party member reddread Nov 2013 #234

By putting a letter after someone's name above our morals and beliefs. vi5 Nov 2013 #239

Don't forget Al Franken, he's still a good egg. K&R, nt. druidity33 Nov 2013 #242

It's Maddening colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #247

We have the best government money can buy B Calm Nov 2013 #256

Sorry but too many here are having the "reverse tea party" discussion. Thats how you lose. 7962 Nov 2013 #260

Lots of ideas, Manny fadedrose Nov 2013 #265

The only answer I keep returning to is asking people not be part of the problem. raouldukelives Nov 2013 #283

Strongly Agree. bvar22 Nov 2013 #285

I agree that we are to blame for the present state of politics... kentuck Nov 2013 #295

If you've only 'kinda' had it, then you're not desperate enough yet! randome Nov 2013 #299

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #306

You forgot "rogues"! WinkyDink Nov 2013 #311