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In reply to the discussion: I've kinda had it with all of the BS [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)damned thing. But you're using "evidence" from a doctor who let at least one person die in prison, who got it wrong previously, and you are ascribing credence to that fuckup and expressing confidence in his flawed diagnoses because it suits your false narrative.
When a person in prison says they want to kill themselves, it is the duty of the guards and the warden and the staff to prevent that from happening. And it's not "torture" to prevent someone from self-harm. That's appropriate medical care.
Good grief. From your own damn link, we learn that the shrink wasn't "all that" when it came to predicting who would kill themselves, or not, and that the entire chain of command was being very careful to ensure that Manning stayed alive:
Oltman also indicated he had instructions from senior officers to follow the tough approach to avoid any risk of Manning committing suicide.
But Oltman testified earlier that the doctor's view was "only one data point" and that there were other factors to take into account, including weekly reports from prison guards.
"I wasn't going to base a decision on his input alone," Oltman said under questioning by Manning's defense lawyer, David Coombs.
Oltman also said he had concerns about the doctor's credibility as Hoctor allegedly had concluded another detainee did not pose a suicide risk but the man ended up killing himself.
You don't get a "do over" if you fuck up and take a person off suicide watch prematurely. This doctor got it wrong once before--and you're citing him as an authority?
I'd say death is the ultimate "torture." You can't undo that.
And since Manning admits to being suicidal, and even fashioning a NOOSE to do the deed, I'd say those awful "authorities" were right to take extraordinary measures:
Wikileaks informant testified about the treatment he received both in Kuwait holding area and once he returned to Virginia in the U.S.
Told court 'I'm going to die, I'm stuck inside this cage'
Said he was increasingly 'hopeless' and considered suicide
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241138/Wikileaks-informant-Bradley-Manning-admits-tied-sheet-noose-considered-suicide-confinement.html#ixzz2jdbtAKhF
Fabricating....yeah right. The only "fabricating" happening was that Manning "fabricated" a noose out of a bedsheet, and got his stuff taken away.