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Doctor_J

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6. Nah, it is not the start of a real plan. Don't let wishful thinking make you dumb

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 02:34 PM

Nov 2013

It is what it is - a way to insure a few more people while keep the insurance companies rich, and thus keeping their campaign money flowing. Anyone who is being honest will admit that. Calling it "the start of something greater" is just as dishonest as the teabaggers calling it socialized medicine. It is a step in the wrong direction - letting profiteers and merchants of death keep 20% of a 3 trillion dollar pie. As far as us having the worst health care for the most money, ACA will not change that a bit.

I am happy for the people who will at last get HC, but we're still paying WAY too much, and this will not help that in the least.

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Obamacare is not a disaster [View all] Harmony Blue Nov 2013 OP

I agree and I often say exactly what you did kydo Nov 2013 #1

I understand how consveratives Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #2

I also agree with the OP brush Nov 2013 #36

Absolutely Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #50

Some very smart, articulate person needs to compare what people NOW spend w/ insurance loudsue Nov 2013 #3

+1 historylovr Nov 2013 #29

ACA originated at the Heritage Foundation Doctor_J Nov 2013 #33

Keep in mind . . . brush Nov 2013 #37

It's not a step closer to single payer Doctor_J Nov 2013 #38

That's your opinion. brush Nov 2013 #41

How can requiring by law that Big Insurance keeps 20% of EVERYONE'S HC bill Doctor_J Nov 2013 #43

Weren't they keeping a lot more before the ACA? brush Nov 2013 #44

After the costs of adjudicating claims, etc., at best there is roughly 10% for risk and profits Hoyt Nov 2013 #51

if the eventual goal is getting them out of the system, then locking them in is Doctor_J Nov 2013 #56

As folks pointed out, it took 40+ years to get there and there were no Republican obstructionists. Hoyt Nov 2013 #57

How do you foresee this conversion from ACA to Universal happening? StrayKat Nov 2013 #4

The OP is sort of a silly vanity post to get a lot of rec's Doctor_J Nov 2013 #7

Uhhhh... SoapBox Nov 2013 #8

Possibly. StrayKat Nov 2013 #9

You're talking about people who buy their insurance on the open market . . . brush Nov 2013 #39

Yes, people who buy their own insurance. StrayKat Nov 2013 #47

K & R Iliyah Nov 2013 #5

Nah, it is not the start of a real plan. Don't let wishful thinking make you dumb Doctor_J Nov 2013 #6

What percentage of the 3 trillion . . . brush Nov 2013 #42

K & R SoapBox Nov 2013 #10

Didn't Canada take lie 17 years to fully enact a single payer system? JaneyVee Nov 2013 #11

More like 40... SidDithers Nov 2013 #14

Canada never had a trillion-dollar private insurance industry that owned the government Doctor_J Nov 2013 #22

And we have taken something like 66 years so far. RC Nov 2013 #34

I agree. But it's a first step. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #49

Insurance is by it's very nature inherently "socialist". n/t. cheapdate Nov 2013 #12

actually private insurance is pure capitalism Doctor_J Nov 2013 #18

Collectivist is probably a better word Major Nikon Nov 2013 #30

You're thinking of nonprofit things like Medicare n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #23

DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2013 #13

It looks like Vermont will also have universal coverage with premiums based on income Major Nikon Nov 2013 #31

I'm skeptical this will ever turn into universal single payer medical care KentuckyWoman Nov 2013 #15

I think we'll have to have this for a generation or two OmahaBlueDog Nov 2013 #17

So in 50 years we might get Big Insurance out of the death business? And that's good? Doctor_J Nov 2013 #46

However for those of us who aren't affluent and are over 55 - truedelphi Nov 2013 #35

This 'DLC type" agrees. wyldwolf Nov 2013 #16

That link makes it pretty clear that PNHP thinks ACA is nothing like health care Doctor_J Nov 2013 #19

yes, it does. But, IMHO, the ACA (as written) is better than the former system wyldwolf Nov 2013 #20

Fewer Americans are shit out of luck, but it is not a step toward cutting off the insurance Doctor_J Nov 2013 #48

We'll see, so far it certainly looks that way quinnox Nov 2013 #21

It is only a 'disaster' if it fails leftstreet Nov 2013 #24

The whole world is laughing at us.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #25

Its nothing yet in terms of success/failure NoOneMan Nov 2013 #26

Medicare had it's kinks, too, when it first was implemented. Look at it now. demosincebirth Nov 2013 #27

Yep, 30% of beneficiaries choose insurance company Medicare Advantage Plans, all drugs are Hoyt Nov 2013 #53

While you make some good points, LWolf Nov 2013 #28

No, it's not a disaster... ReRe Nov 2013 #32

The ACA is AWESOME for early retirees and people that can qualify for expanded Medicaid. kelly1mm Nov 2013 #40

Uh, if we had HC like the civilized countries you wouldn't be paying anything Doctor_J Nov 2013 #45

uh, as the OP stated, Obamacare (ACA) is not a disaster. Some people, (me included) are getting kelly1mm Nov 2013 #55

Come back in five years, and we will talk about it. duffyduff Nov 2013 #52

Obamacare may not be single payer CFLDem Nov 2013 #54

Agreed Justice Nov 2013 #58